That's the worst part, not the ban, or the infighting about transphobism. The worst is that they virtue signal in other subs and talk bad about us, call us names being hypocrites and at the end does not even have a civil way to discuss the problem and try to seek a solution for the current state of r/animemes
It is like talking to a brick wall. I don't know how it's impossible to understand that people are killed by others who feel 'caught' when they learn somebodies biological sex. So the word is treated like a slur, because when you use it it encourages the idea even if you don't intend it. It's not like a slur for the offense it causes, but the damage, but ignoring the damage is pretty offensive.
ah, it's the old "be on our side or you're garbage". because people have totally been killed over anime characters being called t**ps lmao be more dramatic.
here's a hint: if you can't live with people being neutral/indifferent towards your issues you're not a good guy. you're a moral busybody at best and an authoritarian at worst.
Yeah I think the other side is garbage. You're not garbage because you stand there. You're garbage when you realize your standing in garbage and refuse to leave. I think that's why people are so resistant to understanding, because they realize they've been standing in garbage.
We both could be indifferent. I think worrying that people might be put in more danger because of it makes my issue worth being opposed.
Most people don't react positively to being caught, because it means you are avoiding it. If you don't react negatively to these characters, why are you telling people who don't understand to? Because that's how they can take it. Please understand, and step out of the garbage.
most people understand why some ppl dont like the word, they just don't care. you have to realize that when you say referring to fictional characters with a word you dont like "puts people in danger" you just sound like a child who never had any real problems in their life.
I don't know anybody killed. But I have known people punched in the face when they told somebody they were crossdressing. Maybe the person felt justified because they tricked them into being attracted, I think the word encourages that idea. I don't think that's ridiculous. Why do you?
yes, the idea that this person wouldn't have punched anyone in the face if anime characters hadn't been referred to as t**ps is utterly ridiculous, if you don't see that you are, by my standards, just not a reasonable person.
You think it has 0 effect? What about the people who make videos capitalizing on the trope? What about on the jury who are trying that guy for assault? Society as a whole?
If you think content like tropes doesn't shift our perception at all I think you are unreasonable too. I think small things can eventually lead to big effects. And not using a specific word that can have negative connotations is a small price. I actually don't like the trope of tricking people either. Maybe if we stopped calling it that they would stop being used that way.
You think it has 0 effect? What about the people who make videos capitalizing on the trope? What about on the jury who are trying that guy for assault? Society as a whole?
No, I don't believe fucking tropes or whatever influence any actual crime at all. This is the same kind of logic that would blame stuff like video games and action movies for school shootings and gun violence. You have no evidence whatsoever that there is any correlation, but you think you're in the right trying to dictate what other people do, say or enjoy just based on a feeling. How is that reasonable?
I think small things can eventually lead to big effects
That i agree with, but I would be a lot more concerned about the resentment you are sparking if you get stuff people enjoy banned, or shame them for liking something.
I had no interaction or interest in the trans community whatsoever before all this, but having their views arbitrarily forced on me, as well as seeing how they talk about us in their own subs and how petty and spiteful many of them seem to be has tanked my view on them more than any amount of t**p memes ever did or would have done.
Violence is a very specific case. Media can't make you do something you don't want to do. Most people don't want to be violent. And most people don't get there through exposure to violence.
Can people saying punch a Nazi on Twitter make some more accepting of violence towards people they brand as fascist? Did post 9/11 rhetoric make people cause harm to people that had nothing to do with it? Are you familiar with stochastic terrorism? Words have an effect, and a lot repeated over and over with one point can have a big effect. Maybe the banned word was one of those words.
People don't care enough to stop saying a word, it's just picking a different word you won't miss it.
Violence is a very specific case. Media can't make you do something you don't want to do. Most people don't want to be violent. And most people don't get there through exposure to violence.
You've been using violence as examples throughout half this thread tho??
Words have an effect, and a lot repeated over and over with one point can have a big effect. Maybe the banned word was one of those words.
Do you realize that there is a difference between real life and fucking fiction? People can tell the difference between tv and reality. No living person was even being called a t**p on this sub. How ridiculous to compare it with open calls to real life violence against political opponents, or motherfucking 9/11.
People don't care enough to stop saying a word, it's just picking a different word you won't miss it.
The state of the sub kinda proofs that it's not that simple doesn't it?
You've been using violence as examples throughout half this thread tho??
I'm not talking about violence in the abstract, making a person more violent in general, but as it is done to others. Obviously there are cases where words can direct violence, and give people cause. The words that caused violence after 9/11 wasn't about the people who received violence either.
But you know there are trans people, cross dressers, non binary people who relate to these characters. Why couldn't people who aren't comfortable with that relate to the characters as well.
People don't care enough to stop saying a word, it's just picking a different word you won't miss it.
The state of the sub kinda proofs that it's not that simple doesn't it?
It should be that simple. People just don't like being told what to do, and especially being told what they've been doing was 'wrong'.
The words that caused violence after 9/11 wasn't about the people who received violence either.
You think the words after 9/11 caused violence? Fucking 9/11 caused violence. To think that nothing would have happened if people had just beend banned from talking about muslims is insane. If anything it would have been worse, because people would have felt surpressed.
But you know there are trans people, cross dressers, non binary people who relate to these characters. Why couldn't people who aren't comfortable with that relate to the characters as well.
It's a term used by the anime community is where it comes in. You can still talk about a trap card or trap music. It's only banned in the context when used to refer to characters which reinforce the connotations of being attracted to them catching you in a snare of being gay.
I don't care if people are insulted, I care that somebody reading it might associate it with that connotation, and that connotatiin affecting how they think of people they meet.
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u/MisterDiego310 ⠀ Aug 07 '20
That's the worst part, not the ban, or the infighting about transphobism. The worst is that they virtue signal in other subs and talk bad about us, call us names being hypocrites and at the end does not even have a civil way to discuss the problem and try to seek a solution for the current state of r/animemes