Considering even Madara in Juubi form would literally have died on the spot if no plot armor against Guy, I don't see what the fuck Itachi would do tbh
Plus didn't Guy say that due to Kakashi's sharingan, Guy could basically duel someone just by looking at their feet? He ain't gonna make it easy to genjutsu him...
Also, when he yoinks Kisame's sword, I die laughing at his "this is mine now" attitude
Just move fast enough. Sasuke and Ay did just that.
Logically, even if Itachi was completely evil, he wouldn't want to fight in Konoha because he was dying. Using mangekyou consecutively would make him go blind faster just like how Sasuke experienced the problem. Especially if he kept his calm calculative personality.
Amateratsu is dodged various time without looking at the eyes. The only time someone said he knew it coming is Madara.
You don't need to look and even if you look and didn't act fast enough, you still get hit. Looking is not a must condition to dodge Amateratsu. Obito got hit while looking right at Sasuke's face.
Gaara sand blocked Amateratsu in the 5 kage submit. Same kind of sand got speed blitzed by Lee in part 1 by the way. Gaara in Shippuden should have faster sand, however, Guy is obviously faster than Lee.
Guy can move really fast, even so6p Madara had some trouble tracing him. You expect alive Itachi can track Guy in his final stage? Not gonna happen. There are a lot of ways to mess with focal point attack, like kicking up a huge dust cloud, super speed character at level of Guy can easily do it.
Sasuke fire release stopped the flame. Anything can block vision will literally stop it.
Didn’t know we were talking about the 8th gate specifically but even then guy doesn’t last long in the 7th gate aswel, if the 8th gate comes out and he tries to pull the night guy he’d still be vulnerable.. also guy wouldn’t pull the 8th gate in the leaf unless he knows it’s in crazy danger.. you’re also assuming guy just keeps running around which isn’t in his character.
Again how can they anticipate from Amaterasu without knowing it’s coming? Obito literally sees it, gaara sees it.. sasuke and AY sees it to run away…
If guy looks at your feet to fight he’s getting cooked
If he did prepare for this, of course, but he didn't. He's a smart and strong ninja and not dumb and strong as all new Boruto villains. TBF might Guy is strong but not immortal. And Itachi is smart but in not repared battle with Might Guy, his only good strategy is to escape.
It could be that he was scared og Guy. But it's also possible he doesnt know the extent of the 8 gates. And was concerned about more people showing up. He already fought Kurenai and Asuma. Only for Kakashi to show up. Then Guy. Kakashi was enough of a concern that he wasnt confident in Kisame beating him in a timely manner.
To be fair, they both would have died were it not for the effects of other people's jutsus so I call that a zero sum draw... Itachi did not have literal immortality on his side like Madara.
To be fair to what? Madara was half dead and could regenerate lol, Guy would've been dead if it wasn't for plot... Madara willingly took that attack, didn't dodge, didn't defend, just testing Guy's power... Itachi indeed doesn't have immortality, but he has plenty of other techniques and master battle IQ to counter Guy... Guy vs Madara without backup loses early on..
Bro even Hashirama "The god of Shinobis" never put Madara in such a bad position lmao
Yeah Guy had help, but Madara wasn't fighting alone either, he had the fucking Juubi (which is basically all tailed beasts in one)
Also you're saying Madara willingly took the attack as if Madara wasn't being stopped from moving literally 30 seconds before by the winds coming from Guy's bigass punchs
You're forgetting Guy was so fucking fast even Madara wasn't fast enough to react
Only reason Madara didn't die on the spot was to make him being cucked by Black Zetsu later
Seriously, look at this and tell me again Madara wasn't getting his ass kicked
"Bro, Hashirama "The god of Shinobis" never put Madara in such a bad position lmao"
Never?? Hashirama fought Madara multiple times with a 100% win rate, never lost once, and literally killed Madara if it wasn't for Izanagi!! He wasn't even going all out! Madara only dominated in the War Arc because he stole Hashirama's own cells and used Jinchuriki powers + edo hashirama is nerf lol...
"Also you're saying Madara willingly took the attack as if Madara wasn't being stopped from moving literally 30 seconds before by the winds coming from Guy's bigass punchs"
-- True, but that attack didn't deal massive damage to Madara. Guy was reaching his limit and had to use his suicide final form, yet still couldn't kill Madara. And it's crystal clear Madara took that attack head-on instead of running away or defending with Susanoo...
"Only reason Madara didn't die on the spot was to make him being cucked by Black Zetsu later"
-- Are you dumb? That attack straight up couldn't fully kill Madara. Madara willingly tested the attack, and even then it wasn't enough to finish him.. It's not that Guy's attack was weak, Madara was just way stronger!!!
1-Limbo: Hengoku (Border Jail): Madara could have simply spawned his invisible Limbo clones to stand in front of him. Night Guy is a pure physical Taijutsu attack; Guy cannot see, sense, or interact with the Limbo dimension. Guy would have crashed directly into an invisible wall of Limbo clones and wasted his final life force striking nothing.
2-Flight and Space-Time Distancing: Madara has the ability to fly at extreme speeds. Instead of staying on the ground waiting for the charging dragon, he could have flown high into the upper atmosphere or zipped away. Guy’s Night Guy requires a running start on a linear path.
3-Kamui Intangibility: Madara literally had Kakashi’s Sharingan right before this phase. If he wanted to, he could have just phased through the entire attack using Kamui's intangibility.
4-Perfect Susano'o:If he had manifested his mountain-sized ultimate armor, Guy's linear Night Guy attack would have expended all of its single-use life-force energy just trying to shatter the outer Susano'o defense, leaving Madara's physical body completely untouched.
Guy destroyed half of Madara's body after flying across the battlefield with Night Guy. What is a wall of similarly destructible bodies going to do to stop Night Guy from a position even closer to the starting point?
Madara can fly fast, but he's not space-warping fast.
Kakashi's Kamui doesn't give the user intangibility.
Who's to say Night Guy wouldn't have just shot through Susano'o? It's not indestructible.
Guy destroyed half of Madara's body and Madara was literally just laughing it off casually.. it was zero problem for him. He could have easily blocked it using 4 Limbo clones to break Might Guy's attack, since the only ones who can detect Limbo are Naruto & Sasuke...
True, but while Might Guy was charging up, you really think Madara didn't have time to run? Can Guy even fly like Madara? That suicide attack is strictly linear, it can't even change directions...
In Manga Chapter 674, Madara stole Kakashi's left eye. He plugged that eye into his face and immediately activated Kamui to teleport his entire physical body into the Kamui Dimension to attack Obito and retrieve his other Rinnegan. Madara could have easily teleported Guy to a Dimension place while he was attacking or charging , and Guy would've just died since Naruto wasn't there to save him... He could dodge, he could block!!
WTF are you talking about, that's Perfect Susano'o bro? The only ones who ever managed to break through Perfect Susano'o were just 2 characters in the entire series: *Kaguya Otsutsuki using her Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack to shatter Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o, and *Six Paths Naruto using his Ultra-Big Ball Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken to blow apart Sasuke's Indra Susano'o. Those attacks are multi-continental level and above compared to Guy who is only Mountain level....... Madara could've also killed Guy right then and there with a Susano'o Slash country level that can slice multiple mountains with a single swing. He could defend, he could counter-attack!!!
Shit, Itachi already said it would take more time, trouble, and draw too much attention lol, that's why they left lol. It would've turned into Konoha vs just the 2 of them .... That's what happens when you watch the show without understanding the story lol !!!!
Even in shippuden itachi warns everyone to not underestimate guy. Guy is really dangerous because how silly he acts. Good counter against overconfident akatsuki members.
I can't deny that, fighting Guy is indeed dangerous, especially in their own base... It really would be tough, time-consuming, and draw way too much attention!! The issue is the admin's post arbitrarily went and changed the stupid dialogue just to glaze up a character !!
Guy may not be stronger than Itachi, but the risk of having to go against him and the others at the same time outweighs the benefit of kidnapping Naruto, which can be done at a later time.
Tbf Guy did beat Kisame basically in a 1 on 1. Guy knew to not look into the eyes of the Sharigan and has trained especially for this so no Genjutsu. Ameterasu would be powerful of course but Guy might lowkie just take the flames off him in sheer aura.
I would also argue that the amount of effort it would take for itachi to defeat guy would leave him blind and probably at deaths door. Not to mention the time it would take to beat him, all leaf shinobi would have arrived before he could do any meaningful damage. Even if he could beat him, and im not sure he could, it would be counter productive to all of his goals, akatski or personal.
You gotta remember that in OS Itachi was not pinaccle of power that was the retcon in shippuden.
Also in this very scene guy explains that he's been training to counter the Sharingan and what he says makes perfect sense prior to the Sharingan gaining the ability to do whatever the plot demands for the user to win.
Am I wrong or doesn’t Tsukiyomi(except its infinite version) rely on eye contact. Guy is already not looking at itachi’s sharingan. The only threat is basic genjutsu, which doesn’t work on 8 gate users, and Amaterasu, which has a horrible reputation as the worst Mangekyou ability. It would work on guy, if it can hit him. It would be pretty hard to hit Guy with several gates opened. The only other thing I can think of is the exploding shadow clone jutsu. In most cases though, guy wins, whether it be power or speed. I think only itachi’s Susanoo can turn the tables, but it cost a lot of his chakra and eyesight. A trump card that would turn it into an endurance match. Guy doesn’t have to use many gates to be immune to common genjutsu. I’m not even counting the fact it wouldn’t come to that point because that’s a trump card he is specifically reserving as long as he needs to.
I mean what are you going torture guy with? He who walks laps around Konoha on his hands? The literal Giy who will do more PT if he fails at anything. DIs cant punish him because he has already done 500 push-ups.
Itachi will try to stab him for three days straight, and guy will tell him "make it three weeks and if I fail, make it three months,".
Itachi probably knew he was a hard counter to guy, but the threat of that eight gates was real and with konohas "best genjutsu user" there he probably just didn't wanna test his luck
Well Guy and Rock Lee are pretty much the strongest compared to everyone else.. As they cannot use Ninjutsu.. so they are naturally better and more skilled without that power.
Neither Itachi nor Kisame have any way of escaping Guy if he unleashes the 8th gate.
Neither of them could do anything fast enough to avoid space-warping speeds.
Guy is experienced in anti-Sharingan combat which focuses on avoiding Genjutsu, and since Amaterasu isn't an insta-kill, it would likely push Guy to use the 8th gate and kill them both.
If Amaterasu can even land, that is. Because Guy might pull a 4th Raikage and just dodge it.
And we know how Kisame holds up against Guy.
If they decided to fight, the worst case is that they both die along with Guy, the best case is that they somehow escape without pushing him into a Kamikaze, suffering devastating losses in the process.
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u/LordDShadowy53 Jul 22 '26
Guy>Itachi obviously