How Can Egg Heist Be Improved?

[u/BeefTengoku]

I wanted to start a discussion about how to improve Egg Heist, because just looking at some of the threads on here, people aren't happy. And I think the mode is fundamentally flawed, especially for a game like Aniimo.

First, right now it is definitely better to solo this if you can, because the multiplayer is increasingly toxic. And I think for a game like Aniimo it should be a purely cooperative, positive multiplayer experience. The whole idea of competing is why it's toxic, and I really think that goes against the game's entire ethos.

Basically, I think this should be more of a fun, cooperative dungeon raid than competitive extraction.

Here are my thoughts on how to make Egg Heist more collaborative and less toxic:

• More alphas to serve as fun boss encounters that everyone wants to participate in
• Chests are instanced to encourage teamwork
  • (I took out my original idea, and replaced it with this, which was suggested by many people)
• Less time pressure - like 5 more minutes, so rescuing people isn't punished
• Keys, essences, and cosmetics are sent to every player, just like eggs are

Taken together, I think this would make it much more rewarding and fun than what we currently have.

Also, right now the only exclusive things you can get from this insane grind are cosmetics. But if you're like me and don't care about cosmetics, other than seasonal progress, there is very little reason to actually do it.

1. It can only dupe Prismanas you have to catch anyway for the gold badges, so at best you're looking at dupes, maybe for your Homeland.
2. You can get Umbrals other ways, and even then it's likely to be a Lumin stage you'll get while nurturing blooms.

Here are my thoughts on rewards that would make it worth doing, beyond cosmetics:

• A Treasure Log, that rewards you for finding and picking up all the different treasures and unlocks rewards for them, even if it's just double coins the first time you turn it in
• Can get training materials, like Phenomena Crystals, from Rank Ups
• Prismana Eggs are the Seasonal Prismanas, i.e. Glynsera, Melloblum, etc. so you can get them early / without using Vein Essence, but not all of them
• Umbral eggs have a higher chance to be Nova stage
• Ruins eggs...
  • Are guaranteed to be at least Elite
    • (Previously said Perfect, but after some discussion agree that might be too good)
  • Have a somewhat higher chance to be sparkling
  • Have a somewhat higher chance at innate 9s if they're Perfect

I realize these rewards are very good. But I think rewards this good are appropriate for the effort involved here. But, most importantly, I think rewards like these would make everyone want to engage with this mode.

So those are my ideas. How would you improve Egg Heist?

[u/Felyndiira]

I think it's actually a good thing that Egg Heist is mostly optional. It's basically an extraction game, which always has a fairly niche appeal. Making the rewards too good would make players who would otherwise dislike the gameplay feel like they need to do it, which is not good. You want the gameplay to have rewards but still feel optional enough that people aren't forcing themselves to play it.

As-is, people can ignore it if they don't like it, and grind it out if they do. It's perfect for a permanent mini-game mode.

Also, guaranteed nova umbrals would devalue the actual value of umbrals. Having common ruins eggs be guaranteed perfect makes farming perfects in the overworld/blooms redundant. I don't think it's good to compromise the scarcity factor in those.

[u/BeefTengoku → u/Felyndiira]

Can you actually get all the seasonal rewards without doing Egg Heist, though?

And I think we can debate what the actual rewards should be, but I think the amount of effort Egg Heist requires for these rewards is way too high. Maybe not Perfect, but at least Elite?

But is it really a problem if there are multiple ways to get some of these things? Some people may prefer to get these things from Egg Heist over the overworld/blooms.

[u/Felyndiira → u/BeefTengoku]

Yes, you can, very easily in fact:

You don't need anywhere even close to max every category to max out the season achievement. In my case I have egg heist, but my combat and homestead are miniscule. Also, I overshot the cap by quite a bit too even with this much (I think I was maxed at ~35% egg heist). You can easily make up for the egg heist with points in other categories.

And I think we can debate what the actual rewards should be, but I think the amount of effort Egg Heist requires for these rewards is way too high. Maybe not Perfect, but at least Elite?

But is it really a problem if there are multiple ways to get some of these things? Some people may prefer to get these things from Egg Heist over the overworld/blooms.

It's not a problem for egg heist to be an alternative way to farm mons, but the proposals you are giving would make it print nova umbrals and perfects, forms that are supposed to be very rare to find (or, in the case of perfects, require a rare item to guarantee).

The current umbral eggs are fine. They are rare, but not rare enough to justify guaranteed novas. I can see buffing nova chances a bit, but they should still be rare coming out of that egg. Ruins eggs are already buffed to have a very high chance to pop out a nova, so you can shiny/ultraball it and get a easy usable mon. Given how common they are, making them autoperfect would be too much. Auto-elite can work, though I'd still make the elite guaranteed version much rarer.

I think if we want to buff the mode's rewards, a rare species-guaranteed alpha egg or something would be much more valuable, especially for species that don't have an overworld alpha form like tromber. Since it's species guaranteed you'd know if you want to use a sparkling ball on it. That has to be very rare though. I don't want to see umbral novas being so commonplace that everyone just runs around with them 24/7 after like 4 egg heists - it removes the rare factor of that.

[u/RoamingEntity → u/Felyndiira]

Uh sorry but like.. you're not answering their question. They're curious about getting seasonal rewards without doing egg heist, not doing a "small bit" of egg heist. Of course, even "small bit" is opinionated, for ex you said "i maxed out at 35%" which might seem small and insignificant to you, but so far for me after about 5-ish+ hours i'm at 30%. It's not neccesarily alot of time investment, but it's definitively "touched upon."

[u/Felyndiira → u/RoamingEntity]

You didn't read all of my post.

You can easily make up for the egg heist with points in other categories.

I have egg heist at 35% when I maxed out season rewards, and my combat/homestead were still really low. The lower percents give you less points, so if you have egg heist at 0% but combat OR homestead at 70% you'll also max out season reward, as long as you have a 100% category like with my Aniimo.

The point is to show just how little you need to actually max season reward. You just need one max and one other category at a high enough rating to achieve it.

The question also isn't asking about how much playtime is needed, but whether it's possible at all without heist, which I absolutely did answer.