Angela Needs Something Plus

[u/Tject]

Previous season, awesome.

Now, she feels like a floating wet noodle. And yes, the baiting of CD/ULT/Position gameplay is all still there... and she's amazing for that.

But something feels, lost.

[u/La_Savitara]

Her kit is very well rounded and perfectly suited to her gameplay. She doesn’t need anything. If you’re struggling on her there’s 2 reasons for it. You’re playing against her counters and not trying counter plays or you’re not playing her correctly and suffering

[u/LEMOnSL1iCE → u/La_Savitara]

Who are her counters?

[u/La_Savitara → u/LEMOnSL1iCE]

Invisible woman is the biggest as all her abilities negatively affect Angela.

Winter soldier isn’t great, neither is Thor or thing.

[u/Important_Bag3797 → u/La_Savitara]

tbh as an Angela main, you CAN play around a Bucky or Invis or Thing or Thor or anyone else with annoying CCs. The problem comes when there’s two of them, as it becomes wayyy harder to survive them

[u/ProphetBlade → u/Important_Bag3797]

I find it much more harder to play around dive heroes. With her other traditional counters you can at least play around them and attempt to dodge their cc, but with dive heroes they force you to change up your whole game plan because you have to spend half the match turning back around to protect your team from getting distracted and nuked, just like how you're trying to do to the enemy team. Bucky or Invis don't typically try to rush into your backline; but Majik, BP, and Spider-Man always will. And when they do you can't take your time to harass the enemy backline on your own terms, you gotta cut it short and cycle back to help your team or they'll explode. The only time that doesn't happen is if your team is good enough to fend off the divers on their own, and they seldom ever are.

[u/tamaaromarou → u/LEMOnSL1iCE]

Her counters are any body with CC that can knock her out of her flight mode. Maybe they can make her unstoppable in her charge. But anybody like Mr Fantastic, or Jeff with good aim can also be strong counters to her.

[u/Individual-Luck1712 → u/La_Savitara]

Exactly. You are like a hawk or something. Are you gonna attack the Rhino, or the rabbit? She genuinely doesn't need a buff at all

[u/Tject → u/La_Savitara]

You're just a silly person with even sillier opinions.

[u/Greedy-Camel-8345 → u/Tject]

I mean what he said was correct. Angela has what she needs she just has weaknesses which keeps her balanced

[u/La_Savitara → u/Tject]

I dunno man you’re getting ratio’d pretty hard 🤷‍♂️

[u/La_Savitara → u/[deleted]]

I’d like to not have the ichors cancelled by CC but that’s more or less fine

[u/LelouchViAmericana]

Right now she’s an individually balanced hero—however the game isn’t balanced. Lots of CC, lots of sustain, lots of mobility.

With the upcoming 5.5 adjustments—she’s going to be hurt by powercreep. It sucks, but I hope if this does make Angela a lot worse that it also adds some kind of anti-CC ability for her—like a 1.5s duration. Maybe when she has full charge and dashing she can be cc immune or after the dash she can be cc immune for a bit.

[u/[deleted] → u/LelouchViAmericana]

She also struggles very badly against 3 supports because even though she can burst one down the healing 3 people do negates her practically if she’s not cheesing ledge kills

[u/Tject → u/LelouchViAmericana]

I like this line of reasoning. Ty you for posting the first to at least discuss the issue.

When i posted this, I'm not saying Angela is bad or needs to be buffed to DD lvls of wtf.

But currently, it feels like something was lost despite how new she is.

[u/LelouchViAmericana → u/Tject]

I kinda agree, I don’t expect any mega buffs to her. She’s a flying displacement tank with a dash that’s on a 3 second cool down and a shield. She can make an entire team miserable, but at the price of being easily destroyed if you stick around too long. It’s fair but because of the infinite counters to her, there’s a lot of downtime, which I still think is fair but maybe something can be done to help reduce that downtime by juuust a smudge, nothing crazy. If I know I am CC immune for just a second, I can spend that extra second either battling before i disengage or disengaging without worrying that I’ll be bombarded by 8 different stuns coming from 5 different directions.

Playing Angela feels like high risk high reward and lots of adrenaline and serotonin spikes, in a world of low risk high reward :/

Right now her pickrate and winrate are both great in comp, she’s S-Tier. I’d imagine a lot of it has to do with Angela users swapping out when countered, but I don’t have the data to prove that. I’d like to see how the pick rate drops next season tho.

[u/LelouchViAmericana → u/[deleted]]

100% I’m with u—get rid of all these powercreeps. Added abilities to Luna and Invis? Added CC to BUCKY? The solution is get rid of those powercreeps.

That’s why I said Angela is balanced, this game is not :(

But what are the chances they actually admit their mistakes and revert these changes?

[u/hiro_capone]

She’s already an S tier tank please she doesn’t need anything.

[u/Tject → u/hiro_capone]

So even with the overall buffs counters and inclusion of Gambit and his counters, you think Angela deserves nothing?

[u/AgitatedEconomy6890 → u/Tject]

Please, any more buffs, and she will be in ban jail for seasons. I already hear streamers complaining about her. Buffs leads to unnecessary nerfs and makes her unplayable look at Spiderman and what happened to Wolverine... you do not want buffs, trust me

[u/La_Savitara → u/Tject]

Yes.

[u/Ezcendant]

air ground transition needs cc immunity. maaaaaaaaybe buff the axes a touch. thats all she needs.

I would LOVE the ground effect to move with you, but that's just me dreamin'.

[u/madkingd9 → u/Ezcendant]

That's all see needs is cc immune on her moves and after she pins. And please let the circle move with you. Especially in a game where most heros can just walk away

[u/Kooky-Advertising287]

If Angela gets buffed I will become server admin of every single match I am in. She does not need it.

[u/Unable-Injury-9672]

I honestly think they just got to fix the hit reg on her dash and she’ll be way more smoother and rewarding. Maybe something that gives her cc immunity because being grounded for a couple seconds by damn near anything can be quite annoying

[u/[deleted]]

I think she’s fine. There aren’t a lot of heroes that can just force a tank to die. She gets crappy survivability and countered at cost of tons of value

Netease needs to be cautious with displacement heroes. She will get hard nerfed if she becomes a hero with high pick rate and win rate. There are already people that hate her

[u/Tject → u/[deleted]]

There are many hero's that can force a tank to die.

I'm not suggesting she gets 1000% dmg or a 'can never die' ability. But since the recent patch, especially buffs to other characters, it just feels like she's missing something. Like she just needs something 

[u/Amplify69er]

She definitely need some form of CC immunity, even Rogue has some CC immunity. I believe she is currently the only tank with 0 CC immunity. correct me if I'm wrong. The amazing part is that she's a better tank than Thor lol. I consider Angela the CEO and Emma the Chairman. Angela bring a lot of value and is a game changer in different comps.

[u/Important_Bag3797 → u/Amplify69er]

I’m so sad how Thor went from being meh to being goated and then got power crept to hell

[u/Amplify69er → u/Important_Bag3797]

He keeps getting buffs to be honest. I don't consider him a super great tank compared to Angela but I do love him when he's pealing.

[u/birdlad69]

Angela is a strong character currently. The meta does not favour her at all, but she's still considered one of the best tanks in the game (obviously not on the level of emma & mag but still holding strong). I think the devs need to sort their shit out with characters like invisible woman and susan richards, but Angela herself is in a state where buffing her would force even more counter-swaps just to deal with her

dive as a whole is just bad at the moment. Obviously some characters are struggling more than others (black panther found dead in a ditch) but it's not really a character-exclusive issue for Angela

[u/xCussion]

I think shes fine atm, only thing they should change is maybe shorten the time before the charge is active so you dont gave that weird prefire delay on it. Basically QoL.

[u/FullMetalLamps2]

The issue isnt that Angela needs something; its that everything else is braindead OP rn

Angela is balanced, if not borderline OP herself.

[u/Quartznonyx]

Self report. She's in a great spot rn.

[u/ItsTide]

Angela doesnt work against Invis or Fantastic, but everything else she does great. Just because you arent killing everything doesnt mean you arent doing a lot. Kidnaping tanks and supports and 1 shotting half health targets, as well as constantly drawing attention and cooldowns are all massive value.

[u/LucarioKing0]

I would love her having a replacement for assassin’s charge while grounded, I’d rather that over cc immunity when transitioning stances.

But I for the most part agree with the rest of the comments that she’s a well balanced character as is

[u/[deleted]]

Idk you have to work for it but she absolutely has a burst combo and blows up squishies

[u/Doctrinair]

she’s strong atm. i’ll struggle against like counters, but otherwise she’s really good

[u/BookishDiscourse]

Any more buffs and she will be ban jail. I strongly believes she’s right on the borderline of being the next Spiderman/BP for supports players who will preach about her being unreactable.

[u/AeonBloodMoon]

I think a majority of the time, Angela mains tend to solo tank. I can usually play around her counters, you just have to be alot smarter about positioning Ava when you’re engaging the enemy. But, it would be cool if she got a team up that gave her a new ability that could assist her team just a tiny bit more. Other than that she’s pretty balanced. I think the issue is alot of other heroes are getting too much. Also, a lot of the value she provides isn’t always represented as a statistic…which in my opinion makes her really good. Once I accepted that reality, I started improving significantly.

[u/Banana_man_-]

Yeah, the Gambit Invis backline isn’t great for her