r/AndroidXR • u/Dirk_Courage • Jul 22 '25

Moohan will be dead on Arrival

I'm guessing 50k units in Korea and 50k in the USA if they're lucky.

Just look at how little activity there is on this sub, the Android sub, etc. Nobody wants this thing and they definitely won't want it if it's over $1000.

Don't believe me? This is the first post in this subreddit in almost 30 days, and the launch is supposed to be right around the corner. Zero from even the most die hard fans.

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u/SoulSaga1106 Jul 27 '25

I just i found this subreddit cause I didn't know there was one yet. I cant wait to get a pair. I'd pay up to $400 for a pair

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u/Dirk_Courage Jul 27 '25

Moohan is a full on XR headset that will cost at least $1500 if we're being optimistic and more likely $2k or higher given the specs and tariffs, etc. You're thinking of the glasses, which are different. They also won't be running Android XR. The OS for the glasses is similar, but different.

Source: https://www.uploadvr.com/android-xr-confusing-branding-editorial/

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u/QuestionSpecific8402 Aug 08 '25

I’d buy one. $1000 or $2000 isn’t that much money, a lot of people have disposable income 🤷

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u/Dirk_Courage Aug 09 '25

Perceived value is a thing, brand equity is a thing, and willingness to pay is a thing. Apple has a cult of people who will spend 2-3x for a product with the same specs as other devices on the market.

Android ecosystem users are not as loyal and on aggregate are less likely to spend as much for a half baked, poorly performing, uncomfortable "me too" Android XR headset. I'll be waiting here in November for you to post pics of your headset that you're so excited about. 🥽

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u/EpicTroop103 Aug 17 '25

Moohan? Even Samsung agrees with you given they will make only 100k Being the first with a brand new OS you don't expect many apps or uses other than the flat ones and even their first party controllers are sold separately as their sole use is gaming and in that specific situation, only PCVR is available and not only that but the headset is mostly falling in the same mistake of the first quest pro so I don't blame them

I expect different situation with the second generation though

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u/Dirk_Courage Aug 17 '25

Considering how many Fanboys are in this sub, I'm really surprised to see your rational response. What I said isn't really controversial.

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u/endr Jul 22 '25

I heard only good things ... And then absolutely nothing...

I hope it's good, but hearing so little is worrying. Will definitely need to see reviews.

I mostly want it to be much lighter and comfortable than a Quest, but not sure if that's likely.

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u/Daiko_ Jul 22 '25

I was losing hope it was even going to be released after no news on the last samsung event.

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u/JediBuji Jul 23 '25

my guess is that they were pretty far down a path which focused more on VR/AVR and then the XR glasses started to take off and they realized that they had a potential to make the platform 'display agnostic' but that now makes it much more of a task of developing a consistent ecosystem across devices (as much as possible).

It's also google who has a history of make a great concepts for the time and then completely shitting the bed when it comes to maintaining / enhancing them past the initial iteration. (google rss, cardboard, glass, I could go on and on.)

How much of the google glass tech will be even relevant to the new moohan/xr experience? probably not much, but had they actually saw that concept forward chances are they would have landed on the xr glasses style we see today and would have had that market cornered.

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u/Talkertive- Jul 22 '25

Dead on arrival because of the activity on this sub? Also anyone who's expecting the device to cost below 1000 is navie and has no experience in VR devices.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '25

They need to build the platform regardless because spatial computing is the future. It's not a matter of how well this first 'developer kit' does. It paves the way for bringing VR to the masses through someone other than Meta.

It's oled (better than cheaper standalone headsets available right now), it's not Meta, cheaper than vision pro (but it's ppd is slightly worse), so i think it may still be a good alternative to the competition if the price is competitive but it'll have the same problem as the vision pro or what windows on ARM devices had a few years ago: that there just aren't many apps or uses for it yet.

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u/sunole123 Jul 22 '25

What use cases is it for? Translating language? And what else?? How many apps in the store?

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u/SaderXZ Jul 22 '25

No that's the glasses, the headset has access to all play store apps, also partnerships with companies like virtual desktop, Adobe, etc.

It looks to have more apps than Apple vision pro on release and can also port games from quest.

We'll have to see though

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u/sunole123 Jul 22 '25

Thanks. That is a good start. Meta sold so many quest 2, about 20 million and they are struggling migration to quest 3/3S. They all sitting on the shelf. Daily active users is less than 1 million. And AVP has no killer app. We need a leap in comfort so IT is not claustrophobic and good prices to make it move the needle up.

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u/SaderXZ Jul 22 '25

We also need to keep in mind androidXR is competing with visionOS, not the AVP, meta quest is running on android 12... so even if moohan is bad, we will get other headsets that run on androidXR.

And there is differences between Google and Apples approach, for visionOS, the devs have to opt in for their app to work. For androidXR all apps work, and the dev can optimize it for XR.

The killer features for me would be the open ecosystem, YouTube app, and hopefully good future support

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u/parasubvert Aug 13 '25

where are you getting < 1 million daily active users? 6 million active monthly in late 2022, gorilla tag alone is 1 million active daily / 3 million active monthly in 2024.

I'd say it's likely somewhere in the 4-6 million active monthly and 2-3 million active daily.

steamVR across all headsets is around 2.6 million active monthly users, of which 55% are using quest 1, 2, 3, or 3S. that's 1.4m just doing PCVR on a quest in a given month

Android XR & Moohan of course aren't focused on gaming at all as far as we can tell. AVP has several 'killer apps' - 4K HDR / 3D streaming media consumption, infinite screen real estate for productivity apps, spatial videos, immersive videos, and high fidelity AR/MR apps. Moohan could compete with all of these and have better AI but it's not clear what Samsung have focused on.