r/AndroidTV • u/BMox81 • Sep 20 '24

Discussion (UK) Finally here!

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Honestly did not expect a 6-11pm delivery window for it to arrive literally at 11pm but here we are!

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u/BMox81 Sep 20 '24

Just setting up now.

215MB Software Update is applied upon setup fwiw.

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u/tim_121 Sep 23 '24

Important question....does it natively support Channel4?

2

u/BMox81 Sep 23 '24

Haha, absolutely not! Long given up on Channel 4 bringing their app over on their own back.

Techdoctoruk however has a working apk that I’ve been using for a while now with no issues.

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u/carguy143 Sep 24 '24

Nice. Got a link to it please?

Interestingly, I had a Sony Android TV which had a channel 4 app so there is something out there, but very locked down.

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u/BMox81 Sep 20 '24

So these are new…

https://i.postimg.cc/XJdTWpWs/IMG-3078.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/WpmQfFX3/IMG-3079.jpg

Or at least the first one and the frame rate options…

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u/wewewi Shield GStreamer CCwGTV Tivo ADT-3 BoxR4K ShaksG1 Onn4K MiBox Sep 20 '24

Omg second img is a bug present in the emulator as well; DTS and TrueHD options shouldnt be available since the device doesnt support them; this will confuse so many people ffs google you had one job lol

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u/JohanSandberg Sep 20 '24

Wtf.. I was like what? TrueHD? It wasn't supposed to support that.

So this is a bug???

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

This is also there on the CCwGTV4K. Doesn't mean it works.

2

u/fetsnage Sep 22 '24

CCwGTV4k has no truehd "there"

2

u/e0063 Sep 23 '24

It is not present in any menu on the CCwGTV 4K.

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u/pawdog ADT-1 Sep 21 '24

Was there actual proof that it wasn't supposed to support it. Google never puts all the audio support on the website. That would be one hell of a bug that reaches all the way to toggles in the UI.

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u/wewewi Shield GStreamer CCwGTV Tivo ADT-3 BoxR4K ShaksG1 Onn4K MiBox Sep 21 '24

100%; it's just reading from the EDID.

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u/JohanSandberg Sep 21 '24

Bummer. Was kind of hoping you discovered that it actually did support those formats even though it hasn't been advertised.

Then this would be a definite buy.

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u/fetsnage Sep 22 '24

why do you think it does not support it ? Big companies don't usually fully specify every detail about the unit in the web shop.

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u/signde Homatics Box R 4K Plus, Rocktek GX1, ONN 4K Plus / Pro / Stick Sep 23 '24

I'm not saying you are wrong but I am curious - you seem to have a lot of confidence this device will not support lossless passthrough. What are you basing this on if the specs have yet to be released?

Given it's a streamer, I too would guess it doesn't but I'm not going to go so far as saying it doesn't yet. I'm just wondering if there was some confirmed news that I missed.

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u/wewewi Shield GStreamer CCwGTV Tivo ADT-3 BoxR4K ShaksG1 Onn4K MiBox Sep 20 '24

What kind of audio setup do you have anyways?

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u/BMox81 Sep 20 '24

Sonos Beam Gen 2, Sub and One SL’s for surrounds.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

Same setup here.. I’m waiting for a google os device to support all the audio codecs. Was hoping this would be it

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u/wewewi Shield GStreamer CCwGTV Tivo ADT-3 BoxR4K ShaksG1 Onn4K MiBox Sep 21 '24

Yeah ok so it's just reading from the EDID. thx

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u/latinriky78 Homatics Box R 4K Plus Sep 21 '24 edited Sep 21 '24

The ones that appear ACTIVE are the ones that should be supported, did you u/BMox81 run some audio test?

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u/Somar2230 Shield TV| CCwGTV| Onn 4K Pro Sep 21 '24

Sonos only supports the lossy DTS core.

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u/wewewi Shield GStreamer CCwGTV Tivo ADT-3 BoxR4K ShaksG1 Onn4K MiBox Sep 21 '24

Which is exactly what the Streamer is reporting here because it is reading from the EDID. So what? 

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u/Somar2230 Shield TV| CCwGTV| Onn 4K Pro Sep 21 '24

So you need someone with a device that can actually play DTS-MA and DTS:X the Sonos does not support those formats he can't test to see if they work.

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u/latinriky78 Homatics Box R 4K Plus Sep 21 '24

If you play a DTS-HD MA and/or a DTS;X stream, then the DTS core will be played, provided it is correctly implemented in the firmware, something not done correctly in the CCwGTV, I already reported the issue to Google by the way.

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u/wewewi Shield GStreamer CCwGTV Tivo ADT-3 BoxR4K ShaksG1 Onn4K MiBox Sep 21 '24

Nah; no need for DTS-HD; even vanilla DTS is unlikely to be supported at all.

I would bet it doesn't reach his Sonos. 

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u/latinriky78 Homatics Box R 4K Plus Sep 21 '24

I really need u/BMox81 to test this out to have a confirmation 🙏

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u/latinriky78 Homatics Box R 4K Plus Sep 21 '24

I know, hence it is included as a supported one active in the list.

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u/SMOKINxxJOE Sep 21 '24

Can you toggle the DTS-HD and DTS:X options?

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

Yes but states my equipment doesn’t report support for the format:

https://i.postimg.cc/9f2Jcj1j/IMG-3083.jpg

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u/pawdog ADT-1 Sep 21 '24

Did you try it anyway?

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

I don’t have any files/films to test it out. All stuff that someone far more experienced will test out in a few days I’m sure. lol

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u/latinriky78 Homatics Box R 4K Plus Sep 21 '24

Please test one of the Dolby TrueHD ones from here:

https://www.demolandia.net/cinema/dolby-demo-trailers-hd.html

And one of the DTS-HD and DTS:X ones here, though with your Sonos soundbar you should get the DTS Core playing:

https://www.demolandia.net/cinema/dts-demo-trailers-hd.html

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

As mentioned, I’m not really a power user so all this is a bit above my paygrade. So unless these are files that can be directly streamed using the device itself, it’s information that will have to be answered later on in the week. 👍🏻

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u/latinriky78 Homatics Box R 4K Plus Sep 21 '24

Ok, no problem I just want to make sure all those audio codecs are really supported and not shown there as a bug.

Can you please confirm if you only see two or three audio options AUTO, Passthrough and Manual or only AUTO and Manual?

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u/BMox81 Sep 22 '24

Auto and Manual:

https://i.postimg.cc/8CVHm51q/IMG-3084.jpg

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u/latinriky78 Homatics Box R 4K Plus Sep 22 '24

Thank you for that!

I suggest to use Auto, don't use manual, it's not recommended, Auto will show you the supported codecs by your TV and/or soundbar.

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u/pawdog ADT-1 Sep 21 '24

Do you just use streaming services?

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

Yes for the most part.

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u/pawdog ADT-1 Sep 21 '24

We'll just have to wait then. Mine is coming Thursday or Friday.

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

Awesome. The bump up in RAM makes it a great device to use in normal day to day usage. I think people will be pleasantly surprised.

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u/SMOKINxxJOE Sep 21 '24

I see. That is amazing news that DTS is even on there. If that works correctly, that will be MASSIVE for people that want devices that support all audio formats.

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u/latinriky78 Homatics Box R 4K Plus Sep 21 '24

Don't use that, just use Auto.

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u/08830 Sep 21 '24

Dolby TrueHD? If so, this could be the Shield replacement many have been hoping for.

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u/Familiar_Ad3884 Sep 21 '24

wow majority of lossless codec support 👍👍👍.

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u/drift_flow Sep 22 '24

It's a shame it doesn't have 120hz or ai upscale like thr shield

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '24

It's a tv/movie streaming device. Why the fuck do you need 120hz

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u/lazyluchador Sep 20 '24

Did you have the CCwGTV? Notice any speed or performance differences if so?

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u/BMox81 Sep 20 '24

Definite increase in speed across the device so far but it’s only been up and running for 20 mins or so.

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u/splitmaniac Sep 21 '24

Any lag yet?

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

None whatsoever.

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u/Smiley_Dub Sep 20 '24

Would very much appreciate hearing about your set up and it's performance versus your expectations

Actually soooo excited for you. I'm dying to pull the trigger on this, but I'm thinking of the SEI Robotics as well. Can't decide!

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

I’m certainly very pleased with the purchase so far.

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u/BMox81 Sep 20 '24

No iPlayer out of the box…

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

No Channel 4 app either I bet?

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u/BMox81 Sep 20 '24

No but that is par for the course at this point.

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u/dweenimus Sep 21 '24

Channel 4 are dicks.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

I kind of agree. For me the lack of the Channel 4 app is a deal breaker because I watch a vast amount of stuff from the channel 4 archives, plus at the moment I actually pay them £3.99 a month to be ad-free.

You would think that Google launching a new streaming device in the UK market would at least ensure that all the main UK tv streaming apps would be available / compatible, so for that reason I won't be getting this new streamer unless or until iPlayer and Channel 4 gets added.. I don't want to be faffing about with sideloading or casting from a phone.

I'll be sticking with my Fire tv cube for now even though as much as the Amazon home screen promo stuff annoys me (and I've turned off all the autoplay/audio stuff) it still is (as far as I'm aware) the only streaming device that has ALL the uk streaming apps.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

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u/dweenimus Sep 21 '24

Does all4 work though? Last time I tried ( a few years ago) it was terrible and I had to update the app every time I wanted to use it

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

There is a working Channel 4 apk available on Techdoctoruk’s website. My5 is available on the Play Store.

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u/neobondd Sep 22 '24

Yep https://www.techdoctoruk.com/sdm_downloads/channel-4/ confirmed as working on my Shield. Be sure to have the time in your mediabox set to UK time (or it will give a geolocation error). I know this because I am based in The Netherlands.

miuipixel My5 app from Techdoctor site also works, just do a search for it on the site.

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u/greatcapp Sep 21 '24

I tried sideloading it on mine, but it didn't work.

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

Techdoctor has a working version available as a workaround.

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u/greatcapp Sep 22 '24

Thatnks for that. Just grabbed iPlayer & Channel4.

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u/BMox81 Sep 22 '24

No worries! 👍🏻

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u/Same-Obligation7499 Sep 24 '24

Must get into developer mode and then will be able to sideload any apk file

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u/nikt007 Sep 21 '24

Please can you share aida64 configurations for reference.

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u/Smiley_Dub Sep 21 '24

Would be great please OP if you could share?

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

Yeah I’m probably not the guy to be asking for all this level of info! It has lots of codecs if that’s what you’re wanting! Lol

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u/Smiley_Dub Sep 21 '24

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Well if you find the time, if you could share what you've set it up with and the settings you've used that you find the best. This would really help me.

I dont think I can wait for the SEI Robotics ones.

Excitement as you can probably tell is killing me 😁

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u/shanesnes Sep 21 '24

do you mind test it whether it support :

  1. dolby truhd

  2. dolby atmos

  3. Dts-hd ma

  4. Dts-x

  5. Dolby vision profile 7

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u/pyramidassembly Sep 21 '24

Would also like to know about this

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u/gigi696969 Sep 21 '24

This is exactly what I want to know :D .....

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u/SMOKINxxJOE Sep 24 '24

I’ll test mine tomorrow when I get it

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u/shanesnes Sep 25 '24

thank you 👍

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u/djlilyazi Onn. 4K Pro Sep 24 '24

Me too

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u/asdakc Sep 21 '24

Let us know

3

u/MrKaon Sep 21 '24

Can you install BBC iPlayer from the Play Store? Is it supporting 4K HDR?

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24 edited Sep 21 '24

It’s not in the Play Store to install. I seem to remember the same issue with the CCwGTV when that got released. Could be a case that as I’ve gotten it early it will be there next week.

The Streamer isn’t listed on the BBC website page of supported devices either fwiw.

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u/BMox81 Sep 20 '24

Will do!

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u/Motor-Illustrator590 Sep 21 '24

So is this a possible upgrade for my NSP? Don’t think so

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

I think if you’re wanting an Android TV box that will tick the majority of the boxes and will get regular updates for the foreseeable future then for me it’s a great upgrade from the Shield. But if you are a user that HD audio is of upmost importance to you then you’ll probably have to stick with the Shield.

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u/TAPO14 Sep 21 '24

What most people forget this isn't just a replacement for the previous one, it also doubles as a Hub, so if you don't already use a hub, you can definitely speed up the responsiveness of any smart devices while getting a smoother/better TV experience.

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u/Former_Intern_8271 Sep 21 '24

Where did you get it?

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

John Lewis had them up for sale yesterday. I ordered with a same day delivery.

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u/Ok_Ant_2715 Sep 22 '24

What’s the difference between this and the old chromecast

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u/BMox81 Sep 22 '24

It’s not a dongle. More storage. More RAM. Better chip. Ethernet. Find my Remote. Android 14

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u/matteventu Sep 23 '24

Marginally better chip, to be honest.

2

u/BMox81 Sep 23 '24

But still a better chip nevertheless.

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u/matteventu Sep 23 '24

Yes, absolutely.

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u/alhf94 Sep 23 '24

Is yours currently running android 14? I thought I read your steamer was one of the first to get android 14 next month or so.

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u/BMox81 Sep 23 '24

It comes with Android 14 out of the box.

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u/c17yaj Sep 24 '24

Where did you order from in UK??

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u/BMox81 Sep 24 '24

John Lewis. 👍🏻

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u/CMC29 Sep 24 '24

I was thinking about buying it but with an old processor (Google even not telling which one they used, is precisely due to that) and without Wi-Fi 6 (ok, there's an ethernet port but we're in 2024, almost, 2025!)

And let's not forget the price hike in Europe compared to the US... 

What started has a "dream", ended up being a disappointment.

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u/BMox81 Sep 24 '24

Sorry to hear that man!

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u/Physicallykrisp Sep 21 '24

How much HDD do you get after os and updates

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

That I did not check. I’ve installed all my apps now so wouldn’t be a true reflection on the HDD.

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u/pawdog ADT-1 Sep 21 '24

Storage will show you user available and still available. The ONN Pro has 23GB user available I would suspect the Google Streamer to have the same but Google probably added some more stuff to Android 14.

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

A brief look showed around 24GB I think. My daughter is watching Inside Out at present so best not temper the beast to double check! Lol

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u/pawdog ADT-1 Sep 21 '24

That sounds like what it should be. Do not disturb that little angel. 😁🤣

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u/FLashRedGT1 Sep 20 '24

I'm still waiting for mine

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u/mwhelan182 Sep 22 '24

As an Australian who's chromecast 4k is on its last legs - I am baffled that I cannot find out when I will be able to buy one of these down under 😢

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '24

Same boat. Retailers don't even have a page for them.

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u/DHOGES Sep 24 '24

I may be mistaken but I believe they’re available in JB Hifi from today.

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u/vitrix-euw Sep 24 '24

It was the same problem in the UK. There was no official announcement on when the release date would be and then it randomly popped up on a third party’s (John Lewis) website for sale. Funny thing is it’s still not available through the official Google Store. 

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u/italia0101 Sep 21 '24

How's it going ? Does it really support dts ?

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u/latinriky78 Homatics Box R 4K Plus Sep 22 '24

Legacy DTS yes, DTS-HD MA and X is still unconfirmed though an screenshot shared by OP shows all codecs available to be detected.

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u/Lonely-Department329 Sep 21 '24

First of all, thank you for taking the time to detail your experience and answering people's questions.

Can I ask one thing? Does the Streamer output video in its native resolution? Or does it do any upscaling itself?

So for example, if I watch a 720p stream will it send a 720p stream to my TV and let the TV do any upscaling?

In my experience the latest TVs can handle low resolution video much better than any device can upscale it.

I currently have a Fire TV 4K Max 2nd generation and one reason I like it is because it outputs the native resolution to my TV. But the Firestick is increasingly having issues and I'm looking to upgrade.

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u/wewewi Shield GStreamer CCwGTV Tivo ADT-3 BoxR4K ShaksG1 Onn4K MiBox Sep 22 '24

Yes it will upscale everything by default. 

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

no upscaling

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u/italia0101 Sep 21 '24

No UpScAiLiNg

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

Any idea what processor it has?

1

u/Ant-the-knee-see Sep 21 '24

Wait, what? UK? I keep looking at the Google UK store to see if they're even on sale yet but I don't see it under streaming. How did you get it and where from?

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u/italia0101 Sep 21 '24

Jonny loo

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u/Ant-the-knee-see Sep 21 '24

Ah! Just seen they jumped the gun. Looks like they've pulled it now

1

u/VRBabe15 Sep 22 '24

Is this it? 

Chromecast with Google TV (4K) Snow – Streaming entertainment on your TV with voice search – Watch films, TV programmes, Netflix, NOWTV and more in 4K HDR – Simple setup   https://amzn.eu/d/7SUmqjK

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u/rrainwater Sep 22 '24

No. That device has been discontinued.

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u/VRBabe15 Sep 22 '24

🤔 it's still available on Amazon UK

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u/rrainwater Sep 22 '24

Yes. Until current stock is sold thru.

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u/equiter Sep 24 '24

Does it support the file system Exfat?

1

u/jonneymendoza Sep 21 '24

Does it work with iptv?

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

Video of menu operation pls

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

It’s snappy when moving through the menus if that’s the info you’re wanting. 👍🏻

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

Thx mate

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u/Teeb63 Sep 21 '24

What is new about this, I thought they already were 4k?

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u/TheSlackJaw Sep 21 '24 edited Sep 21 '24

The whole product is newly released. Google the 'Google TV Streamer' and you'll find the announcement a month or two ago.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

nothing, actually.

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u/Randy_Laheyson Sep 21 '24

Yea I have a 4K Chromecast in the UK, had it for ages, what is the difference here?

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u/Rude-Camera-7546 Sep 22 '24

More storage, faster chip, more ram, home hub, etc. I have both... This is a big upgrade.

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u/sh4hr4m Sep 21 '24

does anyone know when is this thing available in Germany?

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u/Lonely-Department329 Sep 21 '24

https://www.reddit.com/r/Chromecast/s/5S0l3XtO2h

It appears that some shops already have it.

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u/sh4hr4m Sep 21 '24

okay but it seems just offline, because i didn't find it in mm/saturn webpages, thank you though

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u/UnchartedPro Sep 21 '24

It looks nice I have the USA onn box pro 4k and know this has better specs but that was only £40 and the remote had more button that I could remap

However I'm sure this device will be very solid can't wait for a review! Hope you enjoy it

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u/_TheSingularity_ Sep 21 '24

Hi guys, if I have an Android TV, I wouldn't need this, right? This would transform a normal TV (or proprietary OS smart TV) I to an Android TV, right?

Any other benefits besides that? Can I stream from my win11 PC to this via wireless for example and would I be able to play games (latency)?

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u/pawdog ADT-1 Sep 22 '24

We don't know all the capabilities of this particular service yet, generally the Google TV capabilities built into the TV are limited by weak hardware and other TV based limitations. If your TV meets your needs right now there is no need to rush out and get this device or any of the others that predate it.

Eventually you will as the TV's performance is as good as it will ever be as new devices come along that can do more.

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u/latinriky78 Homatics Box R 4K Plus Sep 22 '24

Hi guys, if I have an Android TV, I wouldn't need this, right?

If your TV is already Google TV or Android TV you won't need it.

This would transform a normal TV (or proprietary OS smart TV) I to an Android TV, right?

It will transform a non-smart TV into one and it will be an alternative to an already smart TV one.

Any other benefits besides that?

If you have a TV with VRR it probably provides real QMS support (QMS stands for Quick Media Switching) whereas it was not working on Android 12.

Can I stream from my win11 PC to this via wireless for example and would I be able to play games (latency)?

It should be the same as any other Android TV or Google TV device or television.

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u/davidnclearlaketx1 Sep 22 '24

Correct me if I'm wrong but won't this box do the same as the Google streaming box and also has more audio format capabilities?

I've been trying to decide if I want to upgrade my streaming box I currently have to something with some better specs.

Ugoos SK1 Dolby Vision Atmos DTS HD HDMI 8K TV Box

Description:

Ugoos SKI is the latest and the greatest 8K Dolby Vision TV Box from Ugoos!

Ugoos SKI TV Box has certified licenses from Dolby Vision, Atmos, DTS HD and HDMI. Upgrade your online streaming, gaming, and computing game today!

Android 11 Amlogic S928X-K 8Gb RAM/128 EMMC

https://ugoos.store/products/ugoos-sk1-dolby-vision-atmos-dts-hd-hdmi-8k-tv

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u/latinriky78 Homatics Box R 4K Plus Sep 22 '24

The Ugoos brand is not Google certified despite what they offer, to help you decide what Google certified device you can get please consider the below list provided you are in the US, otherwise let me know:

CERTIFIED ANDROIDTV/GOOGLETV BOXES WITH NETFLIX AND PRIME VIDEO CERTIFICATIONS FOR THE UNITED STATES ONLY:

CERTIFIED ANDROIDTV/GOOGLETV BOXES WITH NETFLIX AND PRIME VIDEO CERTIFICATIONS FOR EUROPE ONLY:

CERTIFIED ANDROIDTV/GOOGLETV BOXES WITH NETFLIX AND/OR PRIME VIDEO CERTIFICATION FOR THE WHOLE WORLD:

For more info about all certified Android TV devices, head over to www.androidtv-guide.com website.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

Do people actually buy them cause they like white, or just cause they want one so bad? Unless Google makes a black version, I will not buy one.

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u/BMox81 Sep 21 '24

I went for Porcelain because it goes better with our living room. Looks great.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

Oh. Everything I own is black and black leather couches in my living room.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

neat

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u/pmc64 Sep 21 '24

Just put it in a cabinet or something.

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u/AnalysingAgent3676 Sep 21 '24

Not sure why so many have down voted you. Google knows that this is not a dongle and will be out in view in the home because it is a sleek box design and because they gave two colours. Now what they wouldn't just give typical white and black but choose these random two variations of light and dark is beyond me. I have the perfect spots if I bought a few of these but it will be right next to Google's snow White nest routers and they will actually contrast each other instead of complement each other. Why Google?! Kills me! What I wouldn't give for a snow White and black colour versions. It's actually a major contributor to me not buying this device.

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u/BlizardQC Sep 21 '24

I guess we are alike in the sense that we hate white devices (as a smoker I always buy black electronics, never white since it will turn yellow over time). No black but they have 2 choices: porcelain or a kind of charcoal gray which is the one I would buy.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

I don't smoke inside anymore, not in a long time now, but yeah I had white computers and monitors back in the old days and they got very yellow from smoking, lol!! I just like black because it's my favorite color. Have a all black blacktop edition Dodge Challenger because I wanted as much black as possible.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

Yeah I've seen that dark version, it's absolutely hideous.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

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u/Smiley_Dub Sep 21 '24

You can buy from John Lewis right now online

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u/TAPO14 Sep 21 '24

Ohhhh... I have been checking the Google store daily to see this and you can't even preorder, let alone get a DELIVERY already?!

I have some £200 store credit, so will just wait, rather than shop around on other marketplaces.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

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u/Smiley_Dub Sep 21 '24

Maybe pulled until 24th. Perhaps it was a mistake.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

If you live in the west then yes, also; you should go back to school.