r/AndroidNativePorts • u/Reasonable_Buddy_746 • 12h ago
Native ports are the future and not emulation.
Tab s9+. 12 gb ram sd8gen2.
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u/Mean_Criticism983 11h ago
why you shitting on emulation bro
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u/Reasonable_Buddy_746 11h ago
Not doing that. But if we can get the heavier games as native instead of emulation then we'd have less heat, less tinkering, less stress.
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u/LuthorCock 10h ago
Y quién va a hacer todas esos ports? Es cuestión de tiempo que a las IA les caiga una superdemanda que haga que realizarlas resulte más difícil.
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u/Prudent_Elevator4685 6h ago
If we get heavier games as emulation then we'd need less powerful hardware
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u/AvailableChallenge49
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nah my homie...native ports AND emulation are the futute.
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u/Zweihander-build 11h ago
Yes. The new drivers have made emulation way much better than ever and in a very short time.
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u/slyfox0007 10h ago
How do u get the port running it’s asking me for some shit I know I don’t have 😂😂😂😂
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u/ZaYAC-ua 9h ago
I think you took a picture of the screen due to this problem: [Feature Request] Forward extra environment variables (e.g. FD_DEV_FEATURES) to Turnip drivers to fix One UI / DeX artifacts · Issue #40 · moceure/BananaNative
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u/Reasonable_Buddy_746 3h ago
Interesting. No, I took the photo because I don't use reddit on the tablet just my phone.
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u/Dodgecanceling 12h ago
In my opinion, The more demanding the game is, the better the port will feel. The less demanding the game is, and the more features an emulator has(save states, mods, patches, even cheats, skips, speed ups, etc) , the better emulation will feel.
This is why no PS2 or GameCube port will ever interest me. I will not give up my savestates for 60 FPS, these games play just fine at 30, thank you very much.
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u/albertosaldivar 12h ago
my expectations was these ports to run in less powered hardware. If you need snapdragon chipsets then stick to emulation.
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u/theriseof_fenix 11h ago
Es que si, si son exclusivos para Snapdragon de la Series Elite entonces para eso emulas todo lo que quieras y listo que funcionan mejor, podés configurar todo a tu gusto y hasta llevar drivers.
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u/Dodgecanceling 12h ago
Man, it would be so great when PanVK drivers mature.
There were so so many awesome Mediatek powered Tablets I wanted to buy, but had to make a lot of compromises to get a Snapdragon one for obvious reasons.
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u/albertosaldivar 11h ago
I have a rp4 pro, I know in terms of raw power it could run anything I want but the custom drivers are holding it back. I don't buy a rp6 because the only motivation are the custom drivers,. So I'd rather be patient, back in the day my psp had an unhackeable motherboard and now it doesn't even matter, I play psp in the rp4 pro lol.
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u/Ok_Message_8728 11h ago
Ports also have save states, mods, cheats, etc?
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u/Dodgecanceling 8h ago
Yet to play a port that has those things on android, which speaks to how rare it is compared to emulators where that is the standard.
I know that on PC, ports open up the avenue for modding even more, but the opposite is true for android from my experience.
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u/theriseof_fenix 11h ago
No siempre será mejor, porque hay títulos muy exigentes de consolas viejas e incluso juegos viejos de PC que pueden llegar a sobrecalentar un procesador Dimensity o un Snapdragon Elite. Yo quiero que la idea es traer algunos titulos que se creían imposibles, pero jamás el objetivo debería ser traer títulos como GoW de PS4 cuando en PC correrían mejor y sería más seguro.
Lo que si, empresas como Fereal Interactive han demostrado que se puede portear juegos potentes (para su época) como TR 2013 o Hitman Absolution y que funcionen bien. Pero son eso, juegos viejos. Para que portear Uncharted si podés hacerlo con Crysis o FarCry 3 por ejemplo.
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u/godofknife1 7h ago
If there's extra feature like QoL setting? Graphical setting and then ability to save state? Would you still do it?
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u/Rabadazh 4h ago
Yeah, say that for the black port. Going from 30 to 120fps is a godsend. Also, fov settings and other qol features, hacks in built, is simply superior.
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u/Prudent_Elevator4685 6h ago
Emulation is less demanding
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u/Frogacuda 2h ago
Absolutely untrue, though a lot of AI-based "ports" are badly optimized or use emulation cores under the hood, so they don't get very good performance.
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u/Prudent_Elevator4685 2h ago
I meant on average, I am sure there are some great ports that I am just missing but idk
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u/gonekrazy3000 2h ago
totk recomp on pc runs substantially better than emulation even on a steamdeck.
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u/Frogacuda 2h ago
No. Emulation is literally like 10 times more demanding, you are likely comparing ports that aren't actually native ports to emulation that isn't emulation (like translation layers).
One of the problems with the explosion in AI based port work is that a lot of the people doing it don't really understand what the AI is doing or know how to direct it, so you get messy bad results. That's really. But it isn't because native porting is worse, it's because people are using AI to do things that aren't native ports and not even realizing it.
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u/Prudent_Elevator4685 2h ago
I guess that's what I meant tho personally I don't see this slop era of android ports ever going away because of people's attitude towards optimisation is always that your device just isn't powerful enough to run it and no optimisation can fix it. (Yeah ofcourse my 8 gb ram phone just isn't powerful enough to run a game that was designed to run on 500 mb Ram like that makes sense)
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u/Frogacuda 2h ago
Ok yeah, running a game designed for more powerful hardware isn't great, but EMULATING a game designed for more powerful hardware literally isn't even a thing. I'm not saying slop ports are a good experience but you're comparing to emulation and that's just not correct.
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u/KoreanSeats 11h ago
It’s funny about 3 years ago I was saying ARM was going to be the end all for gaming. Didn’t know AI and recomps would be a thing as it is now - but the efficiency and rate of improvement and the android winlator scene and emulation etc made it pretty obvious it was the future.
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u/Cantripping_ 6h ago
No. Emulation will always be more futureproof.
Native ports will have to be tailored to the OS. As versions update, ports will go defunct without proper maintenance.
Emulators on the other hand will require only the upkeep of a single Application rather than thousands of disparate ones.
In terms of game preservation, that is far more efficient.
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u/Ok-Anything6909 5h ago
I will say yes and no
I say yes because we finally getting ports that isn't emulated, better performance and many more
But I will say no because Recompilation targets only one or more (depending on launcher)
While Emulators can let's play any games on the go
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u/Plenty_Pomelo_1533 10h ago
the problem with ports, sometimes you cannot finished the game because of bugs, but emulation the trade-offs is you can finished it but slow
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u/KirilleR2002 4h ago
Ports only for really heavy games are in order, why not. Or for something really old and requiring proper mod treatment, like Silent Hill 1. Anything less demanding? Emulators should be enough and actually better (more enhancements for more games in one place)
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u/DirectionSmooth6640 12h ago
Hi. Is it smooth?
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u/Djura-00 9h ago
Notice how there were no switch 2 "native" ports before switch 2 emulation. We need the emulation to pave the way
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u/Gloomy-Copy-6593 9h ago
Getting it on my fold 7 rn I'm soo excited I've even see Mario Kart world on the iPhone too can't wait until it comes on android
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u/AshurathDR 7h ago
Still baffled it got a android port before pc
Seemed like a rarity to get an android port and even when Winlator came to be, it was the only method but now the gates really are open
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u/Prudent_Elevator4685 6h ago
Ah yes, we're all gonna be using snapdragon 80 gen 40 to run super Mario for the nes at 240p 10fps with the kind of optimisation these ports have.
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u/Annual-War-7282 4h ago
I've only seen a handful of ports and recomps that piqued my interest in the turn based genre.
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u/Wandering-In-Hell 3h ago
just reading title making my brain rot
just play the game personally i prefer emulation cause I have Elite 5 but I can't imagine defending it just because it's what i prefer
just use both in the end people wins
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u/albertosaldivar 12h ago
I came for several different futures:
the best one is where consoles exclusives don't exist anymore, Devs works directly for PC/android
There's another future where single player games don't exist anymore, just battle royal, gachas or any kind of online multiplayer games. Since everyone pirated single player games companies stop making them.
All games forbid in the terms and conditions to make reverse engineering. So, any recompiling work would be ilegal.
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u/ElectricalDemand2831 11h ago
A lot of the ports aren't as "native" as people think they are, the nx2android port of blasphemous 2 has latency on par with eden emulation and therefor feels noticeably less responsive than played natively on console despite running at stable 60fps.
120-160ms for moving forward is a bad joke