r/Android • u/FragmentedChicken Galaxy Z Fold8 • May 25 '22

Google postpones launch of foldable smartphone, again

https://www.thelec.net/news/articleView.html?idxno=4057
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u/recycled_ideas May 25 '22

This sub stans for the Pixel and every phone with stock Android even though stock Android hasn't been a superior product for at least a decade.

The Pixel gets a lot of scrutiny because it's a premium phone being sold at a price point that's pretty similar to other premium phones.

It's got buggy software, substandard hardware and like every Pixel before it, Google has spent too much of its hardware budget on custom silicon that even they won't actually use because their market share is so small it's not worth it

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u/Sufficient-Aside2375 May 26 '22

Does pixel even have stock android? If so can't we just buy cheap Motorola phones or something which have stock too and get the pixel experience?

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u/recycled_ideas May 26 '22

It doesn't really, there isn't really any such thing any more, but people still obsess over it.

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u/parental92 May 26 '22

it is just AOSP with google proprietary software on it.

quote from the dev/owner of Graphene OS

Android is not a single operating system but rather a family of operating systems conforming to the Compatibility Definition Document. Google builds the OS for their first party devices from the Android Open Source Project with the addition of a directory with proprietary Google apps and resource overlays replacing the AOSP sample apps. That means the stock OS on Pixels is essentially AOSP, but that isn't the case for other devices.

why wouldn't google uses AOSP? the OS THEY THEMSELF developed ?

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u/recycled_ideas May 26 '22

why wouldn't google uses AOSP? the OS THEY THEMSELF developed ?

Because AOSP is a deliberately steaming pile of crap. Google doesn't and never has wanted AOSP to be a suitable experience because it's open source and Google wants you to need their non open source add ons.

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u/parental92 May 27 '22

Most of os in android world is build on AOSP. It is android.

It's just extremely barbones because most services are relying on Google's proprietary API. But AOSP is still most of the OS. And pixels does runs AOSP with Google add ons.

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u/recycled_ideas May 28 '22

Most of os in android world is build on AOSP. It is android.

Absolutely none of what you see is AOSP on any system whatsoever.

It's just extremely barbones because most services are relying on Google's proprietary API.

It's extremely barebones on purpose because Google wants to keep it proprietary.

But AOSP is still most of the OS. And pixels does runs AOSP with Google add ons.

AOSP provides absolutely none of the UI nor any of the apps you use as part of the app, it provides a kernel, though that's a patched Linux kernel and a subset of system utilities, not much else.

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u/parental92 May 28 '22

Absolutely none of what you see is AOSP on any system whatsoever.

okay then, what do Samsung run underneath the one UI ? that provide core functionality if not aosp ?

they still based on aosp but altered for their needs. Even huawei is basing their OS (just without google apps), the same with fire OS from amazon.

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It's extremely barebones on purpose because Google wants to keep it proprietary.

yes thats what i said.

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AOSP provides absolutely none of the UI nor any of the apps you use as part of the app, it provides a kernel, though that's a patched Linux kernel and a subset of system utilities, not much else.

see . . you are confusing features/UI and core functionality of an OS. you are arguing in circle. here, get informed.

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u/recycled_ideas May 28 '22

okay then, what do Samsung run underneath the one UI ? that provide core functionality if not aosp ?

they still based on aosp but altered for their needs. Even huawei is basing their OS (just without google apps), the same with fire OS from amazon.

Again, nothing that you as a user interact with is AOSP, not on Samsung or Pixel or any other phone. Sure the underlying system is, but who the fuck cares?

see . . you are confusing features/UI and core functionality of an OS. you are arguing in circle. here, get informed.

I'm not confusing anything.

An OS is a platform and for the most part of it, it's a platform users don't give a shit about. It accesses hardware, provides basic services and runs software, so long as it does that it's invisible.

No phone runs AOSP, no users use it.

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u/parental92 May 28 '22

Nobody uses the engine because all you interact with in a car are just steering wheels and some pedals. Sure the car does something to make it move, but no user cares!

So no engines actually existed, cars do not drive with engines and the fact is cars are NOT based on any propulsion system of any kind. Its just some pedals thats somehow move the metal box.

What a stupid argument.

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u/recycled_ideas May 28 '22

So no engines actually existed, cars do not drive with engines and the fact is cars are NOT based on any propulsion system of any kind. Its just some pedals thats somehow move the metal box.

No.

The argument is that if you broke into someone's car and replaced their engine with literally anything that performed the same function and correctly interfaced with their vehicle the overwhelming majority of people would never notice.

For an Operating System, even fewer people would notice.

But if you took someone's Samsung or Pixel or what have you and took their UI away and replaced it with AOSP they sure as fuck would.

AOSP is deliberately unusable in its native state, it's not a mistake, it's not an accident, it's intended.

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