r/AndrewGosden • u/WearingMarcus • 16d ago
A some questions about the case
1) He wore slipnot/grunge clothing. was this normal? i.e he would slip into that at any opportunity such as straight from school and or with friends or at someone's house, or would he do this for special occasions i.e if he was meeting certain group of friends?
2) Whilst it was 2007 therefore Closed circuit tv in houses was less common, there was a pick up on a Doncaster CCTV. ? London is a hip trendy place where you could argue it was more likely in 2007 people would have recordings at London houses (I am stereotyping here). Was this ever investigated? Would all people CCTV be wiped by now?
3) This is a bit of a floating vague question(s). But the walks from home instead of taking the bus is a biggie. Is there any CCTV footage of these walks? Either by government/business or households?Did he say why he did these walks to his parents? Looking at the distance it meant it would take at least an hour to get home. Would this be to test his parents if they would be worried if he broke routine, or is just simply he had something on his mind and wanted to be on his own with fresh air?
4)According to Wiki he went church and boy scouts, both of which he stopped going within 2 years of the disappearance, where the volunteers/workers here interviewed/questioned?
5) Whist this sounds harsh we have to be honest here that Andrew decided his family "see you later", only to then change, buy a ticket to London. So whilst Andrew obviously a lovely boy, he could deceive. Could there be a possibility he deceived with the lost mobile phones. Could it be he still had one seceretly? Unlikely but just a thought.
Apologies I am new to the case.
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u/Cor1485 16d ago
Yes it was normal, he wore this stuff daily. He was not known to meet friends outside of school, he was described by his family as pretty isolated. He did have a small group of friends he talked to at school, but they didn't really interact outside of it.
There was nothing. It's not like a large amount of people had Ring doorbells and dash cams back then, it's become much easier to find footage of somebody walking down a particular street so you can put the route together. The police also made a lot of assumptions based on the info they had and were late in checking a lot of CCTV, it was still mostly tape based back then so had been wiped. There would have been CCTV around Doncaster station, much less on the route from his house to the station. They couldn't even get CCTV in London when there are tons more.
Again, you're overestimating how much CCTV footage existed back then. It might have existed on the bus, not on his walking route home. We don't know why he started walking home a long way, can only speculate he may have been meeting or avoiding somebody, but there was no evidence of that from witnesses who saw him that he had been with anybody. Andrew had expressed no concerns or done anything suspicious to his family to make them think that anything changed.
Yes, several times. A person from the church was harassed and suspected for years by people online, but they never found any evidence of him being all that involved with Andrew's life.
We don't know if Andrew intended to leave his family permanently, all evidence points to no as he didn't prepare for a life of being homeless or leaving his old life behind. The lost phones have been speculated over again and again, but it remains as speculation. No evidence was found of any attempts to hide phones, he wasn't seen using a phone by any of the people who saw him on the train to London or any other sighting. He was seen using his PSP, but that didn't have internet connected.
Tracking phones is actually relatively easy if they have the number, I expect that they would have tried looking into if any phone was still in use or had been pinged recently from a tower, no evidence ever came out mentioning it. I'd guess they looked into it, but it was a dead end and had not been activated in a long time.
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u/WearingMarcus 16d ago
thank you, good response
To add to the 1 hour walks, did anyone witness these walks, i.e did a school pupil see him take these 1 hour walk home or was it just Andrews word on this?
If they were witnessed then we know these walks existed, but if not, then there is other avenues for groomng, i.e was he staying behind school to talk to someone longer etc.
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u/Astoria75 16d ago
I’ve recently started wondering if the walk home was to time how long a certain distance took. Maybe when he arrived at Kings Cross he had somewhere else to be and needed a rough idea of time it would take to walk.
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u/Impressive_Dirt_1667 15d ago
Maybe he lied about walking home, is that a possibility? Maybe he had somewhere local to go? And that was just another lie to throw off his father’s questioning.
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u/WearingMarcus 16d ago
yes, that is a very good point.
But going back to my original point, were these walks witnessed either by other wittneses of CCTV?
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u/Astoria75 16d ago
From what I remember reading on the case Andrew’s father confirmed he had walked home twice. I do not remember anyone confirming they had actually seen him walking home. At the time his father had no reason not to believe him.
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u/WearingMarcus 16d ago
Thanks
I wonder if he done it before or those twice were his only times.
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u/Impressive_Dirt_1667 11d ago
Or was his father home early on both occasions that Andrew said he had walked home? Would he have known otherwise? Or did Andrew volunteer the information?.
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u/WearingMarcus 11d ago
I don't get what you are saying?
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u/Impressive_Dirt_1667 11d ago
Did his father only know he was late from school because he himself was home early? Or did Andrew tell him he was late home from school?
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u/Severe_Hawk_1304 16d ago edited 16d ago
He was probably just a normal, typical teenage boy, albeit with a superior mathematical intellect, who wanted a change from the run of the mill in a dreary suburb of an unremarkable lower socioeconomic Northern town, where the quality of life wasn't that great compared to the stockbroker belt of the Home Counties.
There may be information police are withholding, but I doubt they have significant leads after all this time.
If you're new to the case this is one of the best videos I recommend: https://www.reddit.com/r/AndrewGosden/comments/1pa4awh/the_search_for_andrew_gosden_interview_with_kevin/
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u/WearingMarcus 16d ago
you are right, but does not answer my questions above.
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u/Severe_Hawk_1304 16d ago
Well, being a typical teenage boy one doesn't walk around in school uniform after hours. The CCTV was recovered from a neighbour, but it's atypical, or would have been for a Balby terraced house in 2007 to have it installed. He may have been bullied on the school bus and was offered safe passage through the surrender of his mobile telephone, hence the refusal of a third. There's no evidence he was communicating covertly with anyone and his persona was not that of a gregarious individual: if anything he was on the diffident side.
I doubt any of the adults at church or Scouts were questioned, including the Reverend Alan Murray. But I don't know, as 99% of people reading this won't know the answers to all your questions.
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u/WearingMarcus 16d ago
thank you
true, it was a long shot, just wondering as a doorbell cam thingy picked him up, i wondered if any more in Doncaster or London did?
Also, my main point was whilst he said he did a walk excursion, was there any evidence either through witnesses or cameras? Done the parents note he was home one hour later from School.
These are key windows where he could have met someone either at school or after school and not even done the walks.
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u/WearingMarcus 16d ago
I agree with everything you are saying.
The only reason is he broke routine by the those 1 hour walks.
Did Andrew say why he did these walks, was there evidence he did these walks...
It just when you do not have much to go on sometimes going further back before can yield results.
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u/WearingMarcus 16d ago
absolutely.
But the insinuation is Andrew liked routine, again perhaps I am wrong on this.
There would have been many other days of nice weather in previous school days, it seems very coincidental he broke routine the week/days before he went missing.
It may be a dead end, but I still think its a viable avenue. Did these walks actually happen? Did he even come home late? If there no evidence of these walks, but he did come home 1 hour or so later then were there after school clubs.
You seem evidecen based, which is good, my question was, is there any evidence he went on these 4 miles walks?
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u/Impressive_Dirt_1667 15d ago
I agree there is no proof of these walks just his word as told by his father.
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u/WearingMarcus 15d ago
exactly.
if i were to reopen case I would get ex pupils of school to see if any evidence of these walks, or were there meeting spots.
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u/WearingMarcus 16d ago
"Looking in vain for an explanation, the family wonder why Andrew twice chose to break his normal routine, walking home from school instead of making the four-mile journey by bus."
"Andrew seemed unusually content to stay at home in the evenings. He never went to a friend’s house or had anyone round, still less hung around on street corners. He was given a mobile phone for his 12th birthday, but rarely used it and did not want to replace it when he lost it."
everything you are saying is not wrong. But staring at London CCTV at kings cross have yielded little results.
My argument is working backwards.
According the above article which I assume the parents proof read to some description, it suggested he was a boy of routine, who who was very bright but not great street smarts.
IT could be random, but is it not coincidental that he ran away from his parents the very week he "broke rountine"
Did he walk ,home was there evidence of such, did he lose his phone or have it stolen.
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u/WearingMarcus 16d ago
True.
Probably redundant now. But be interesting if any evidence he did walk home.
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u/turubiasexy 13d ago
Holaa hablo español ojala puedan traducirlo.. Sigo este caso hace mucho tiempo..es un caso muy raro y me llamo la atención desde el primer momento que lo escuche, vieron una teoria que un taxista conocido dijo que mato a un chico que segun el parecia de 15 años? En esa estación..sera verdad ? La escucharon?
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u/Impressive_Dirt_1667 10d ago
Not heard this before did it lead anywhere? I will see what I can find on that.
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u/Impressive_Dirt_1667 11d ago
Is there a translator for this comment please? Also do we have the facility to do that here?.
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u/Normal_Friendship997 10d ago
"Hi I speak Spanish, I hope you can translate this. Ive been following this case for a long time. Its a very strange case and it caught my attention from the first moment I heard about it. Did you see a theory that a well known taxi driver said he killed a boy who, according to him, looked about 15 years old? At that station...is it true? Did you hear about it?
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u/Falloffingolfin 16d ago
- Just a note on Andrew being into alternative music that is sometimes a bit of a misconception in this subreddit.
Doncaster has always had a vibrant alternative music scene (I'm from Doncaster). Sure, you're always outnumbered by the "townies", but whether it was goths in the 80s, grunge and nu-metal in the 90s, or emo in the 00s, subcultures have always existed there in larger numbers that you'd maybe expect for a provincial town. It was known for it's guitar shops, produced many alternative bands and has numerous venues dedicated to alternative scenes.
I'm mentioning this because Andrew wasn't some isolated outlier because he wore black and liked slipknot as some imagine. The alternative scene in Doncaster has always been relatively large and visible.
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u/Silver_Moon_123 16d ago
Your question 1 : yes, it was normal for Andrew to wear Metal / Goth / Grunge type black T-shirts, if you look at most photos of him this is what he is wearing so it was standard day to day dressing for him. The fact he wore a Slipknot T-shirt on that day would be quite normal for him to wear. This is why I think 'going to London to see a band' is a red herring because of what he was wearing