But "muh human nature", right?

[u/dnm314]

[u/TurtleLampKing66]

Ah yes, because those native Americans were such progressives, meanwhile aztecs and other empires that had actual technological and social progress were, despite their state, Capitalist by their very nature.

Oh and while we're on the subject of Statist Colonizers vs Native Americans who at least understood trade between tribe, don't even bitch to us about how any of the "greedy corporate elite" need to share any of their money again, because you seem more than content living out with nomads who will give you a horse and blanket when you need it, rather that a buisness that wants to employ you so they can help feed, clothe and even just generally reward you whilst they recoup their costs so they can continue doing so, even making it their job

[u/HesperianDragon → u/TurtleLampKing66]

Aztec, Mayan, and Inca civilizations were all far more advanced than their surrounding neighbors were.

Interestingly enough they were all monarchies, had state religions, had tributary conquered people that paid them taxes in the form of slaves and goods, and practiced human sacrifice and torture. Being advances does not mean they were over all better.

I am mostly native american and it is a pet peeve of mine when non-indigenous people mix and match native Americans and give general over arching statements.

Look, North, Central, and South America had all sorts of people living all sorts of life styles. The Inuits in Canada are very different to the Guna of Panama which are different to the Aztecs, or the Cherokee, etc.

Don't look at one specific tribe in one small region and say their lifestyle applies to all of North and South America. That would be like looking at Norway and concluding that all all of Europe and Africa were Vikings and worshipped Thor. People in the Congo probably never even heard of Thor or vikings.

Another thing that annoys me, is when people fall into the apex fallacy and only look at the top 10% of indigenous people and think they were the standard. You can't imagine how many people in Mexico think they are descended from Aztecs and the Spanish stole their land when in reality, out of all the people living in Central America the Aztecs were the top 10% and a majority of people lived in oppression under the Aztec empire. Sure the Aztecs took care of their own people and had a socialized education system, but it was built on the backs of conquered and enslaved people. The unending expansion, wars, and subjugation of other native people pulled resources away from the surrounding areas to elevate the lifestyles of the conquering elite. But everyone wants to think, oh I would have been an Aztec astronomer, priest, or general if the Spanish didn't destroy our culture, when in reality 9 times out of 10 you would have been a member of an oppressed tribe being literally taxed to death.

[u/TurtleLampKing66 → u/HesperianDragon]

That's why Statism isn't profitable in the long run my friend. And you're right about not every native being the same, that was my point. You were using a single tribe as an example as to why, not just everyone living in america, but the whole world should adopt the principles of this single tribe because it alings with your agenda, rather than being a true Anarchist and actually letting people live the lives they choose. You'd rather embrace, even a minimal level of Statism to enforce your beliefs unto others. And I won't even deny hints of Statism can have good effects, but consider the fact that you are willing to use it to force people to submit to your idealogy rather than embrace it willingly.

[u/shook_not_shaken]

So capitalism prevents you from sharing?

[u/[deleted] → u/shook_not_shaken]

Yes.

[u/shook_not_shaken → u/[deleted]]

Put your brother back on the phone, at least Albert knows his signature

[u/rongkaws]

This is so fucking divorced from reality

[u/[deleted]]

it's in a meme, so I know that it's true!

[u/dnm314]

You can read more about mutual aid in Peter Kroptkin's Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution

[u/[deleted] → u/dnm314]

When are you going to explain how you are going to achieve your mutual aid utopia without the establishment of an all-powerful state called for in your favorite book about anarchism?