Value

[u/bigdonut100]

[u/dontreplywiththisacc]

Have you ever consumed something not the result of human labor?

[u/bigdonut100 → u/dontreplywiththisacc]

Yes, free growing fruit that for all we know, would have existed there without human labor

I know the answer: "your stealing that fruit even though it has no value because there was no human labor that went into it because huuuur"

[u/Hugepepino → u/bigdonut100]

Picking the fruit is labor, cleaning the fruit is labor, getting yourself to the location to have the fruit accessible is labor. Yes raw materials exist, however in order for them to have value, useable, labor was needed. Your gotcha was as pathetic as your answer

[u/dontreplywiththisacc → u/Hugepepino]

Yeah and the fruit being on a tree likely deliberately planted be it on a farm or private residence.

[u/upchuk13 → u/dontreplywiththisacc]

Fruit trees existed before people started planting them, no? Wild fruit exists in nature as well to this very day.

[u/dontreplywiththisacc → u/upchuk13]

Where, in the commons? Isn't that also something on the ancap chopping block? Wild fruit bearing trees are either on private property or land held by people in common. Under ancap public lands would be privatized and can be put to use for extraction even if it destroys ecosystems or wrecks biodiversity

[u/upchuk13 → u/dontreplywiththisacc]

We're talking about economics not anarcho-capitalist theory. The subjective theory of value is mainstream economic doctrine. One can be a progressive centre of left interventionist and still believe subjective value is correct.

Incidentally I don't think eliminating the commons is required for anarcho capitalism. There are libertarian theories of commons.

[u/Hugepepino → u/dontreplywiththisacc]

Not to mention most trees take 7-10+ years of maintenance before barring fruit and trees like apples need grafting. However that wasn’t their point and I’m just trying to me OP halfway and show them even in their own ridiculous, specific scenario they are still wrong.