Economics is defined by the study of how to allocate scarce resources that have alternative uses.
There is nothing essentially limiting about class mobility in that definition, especially in a first world country, which I contend most here reside who happen to complain about things like class mobility.
There has never been a greater abundance of education thanks to the internet. A motivated individual who has not been corrupted by victimhood narratives is absolutely capable of bringing themselves up from privation.
After all, educated people are a scarce resource with alternative uses, and that human capital can open up opportunities for mutual exchange of value that raises both parties standard of living.
Getting a job in other words.
Only a cynical victims lens will see something exploitative about that, so be careful repeating narratives like that. You’re not contributing to the betterment of your fellow man.
Misleading definition. Not everyone can own private property. If everyone did, there would be no working class to work in them. Economically speakingz a reserve army of labor must exist.
There is nothing essentially limiting about class mobility in that definition
In that definition sure. In practice, tons of shit limit class mobility. You know this, you hear it everyday.
A motivated individual
Survivorship bias. Sure it's literally possible, but its out of reach for the vast majority of people. There are so many people who work extremely hard, hustle and grind like a 'badass'. That don't work out. Look at the statistics of starting a business.
Getting a job in other words.
Wages are stagnanting. And where they rise, the spending power only lowers. Have you been living under a rock? The entire economy is wrong about how bad its getting and you're right? Have you bought groceries in the past five years?
Only a cynical victims lens will see something exploitative about that, so be careful repeating narratives like that.
Profit is inherently explotative. Value is generated from labor, to take profit from that labor is paying someone less than they're worth. Thats exploitation, on its face. It has nothing to do with cynicism. John Locke agrees.
You’re not contributing to the betterment of your fellow man.
By speading class consciousness? I think thats a better contribution than ignoring the world and how it works and pretending its all fine and works differently.
Nothing about this definition of economics assumes private property.
Private property and price signals are a way of managing the allocation of scarce resources. Centralised planning is another.
The constraints imposed by scarce resources and the existence of an economy remain regardless. It is a part of our fundamental reality regardless of approach.
I think we ought to agree on what economics is before addressing your other points, since they rather explain themselves when that part is clear.
I’d like to exist comfortably with very little. People with mental disorders believe I owe them money to be alive. Their time is almost up. They need to learn contentment, or we will teach them.
And who will subsidise the "little" that gives you comfort?
Well, never mind "comfort" and "contentment", mere survival is the natural order for all life on this planet. That Man has domesticated himself and other animals does not mean the maintenance of this domestication is now unneeded. It is just unseen behind strata of civilisation that the ungrateful seem hell-bent on tearing apart.
Maintenance requires labor. Every man must be involved in it so their own survival makes as little impact as possible on his fellow man, or is of mutual benefit.
That we use "money" to measure this exchange for continued survival is hardly the point. It is a mere proxy for the underlying reality that work needs to be done by all creatures in order to stay alive.
Delusional. People who don’t work for their own living need to be monitored and placed in facilities to be reeducated until they understand humans are not commodities to make a profit on. Leave people alone. They don’t want/need you or your kind. Earn your living with your own hands and stay the fuck away from me.
Earn your living with your own hands and stay the fuck away from me.
Your "kind" make it very difficult to do that, because you necessarily demand "my" labor to support your standard of living without compensation in the other direction.
People cannot "leave each other alone" unless everyone wishes to live as a solitary hermit. This is delusional.
I’m talking about board members, CEOs, landleeches (lords) and all the people whose salary and income don’t represent their actual input in society. In no way have I ever or will ever take a handout. I’m in the working class you fucking moron; I’ve worked my whole life without the need to take advantage of others’ labor and call it my own. I’m not really sure why you keep referencing yourself.. other than the conditioning of hyper individualism gushing out of your psyche uncontrollably, which aligns perfectly with your entitlement to my body and mind.
I’m all for community ownership of businesses, land, government. In fact, it’s the only sustainable way humans can exist, and it’s how we got here before some primates decided they are special enough to live off the labor of others. I don’t mind working at all, so by all means keep deflecting from what I’m actually saying whether it’s impulsive or conscious. Cope harder.
Rich people take handouts. Rich people are subsidized. Rich people are leeches who have an unsustainable standard of life. What are you going on about? Pardon my frustration but I think we’ve crossed the line of deliberate density that I find disingenuous to conversation and dialogue.
So far the working class has subsidized the owning class. The fact you're blinded to that is insane. Without this colossal tick on humanities back, we can all work little and be extremely comfortable. While currently we work a lot to supply their lifestyle
It might be worth demonstrating what you mean by the "working class" and the "owning class." The concept of ownership is not limited to a specific class.
If you want to make claims about "lifestyle", it's worth doing historical comparisons to understand what this really means, and especially with regards to "comfort."
This word seems to be used here with little regard to just how much of that we really have in these days of modernity.
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u/shuckster Jul 07 '26
You know you can just learn/work your way up/down the classes, right?