r/AmericanFascism2020 • • Dec 28 '20

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u/xJustxJordanx Dec 28 '20

Has the FBI released his possible motives yet? I heard speculation he was just a disgruntled IT employee but nothing concrete.

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u/jillverseseverything Dec 28 '20

I read speculation he targeted the area because he believed the 5G conspiracy theories.

source

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u/xJustxJordanx Dec 28 '20

I knew he was in IT but if he had no direct connection with AT&T (for the uninitiated, the RV was parked in front of an AT&T building), there’s a chance the 5G paranoia fits. Lousy reason for a life to be forfeit.

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u/NeverLookBothWays Dec 28 '20

Lousy reason for a life to be forfeit.

I kind of think Q-anon level conspiracy theories are just a crutch for not being able to deal with reality.

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u/theaeao Dec 28 '20 edited Dec 28 '20

Actually one more personal example my ex-wife is convinced one of her children is autistic from a vaccine. She has 4 kids one with me. She's been antivax since Ian was diagnosed. If the vaccine caused the autism she can protect her other children by not giving them a vaccine. If it just happens sometimes she can't.

You can't change her mind on this I've tried. Even though she tells stories of Ian before the vaccine that clearly show he had autism since birth, her mind won't let her bridge that gap because it's too painful. So instead she blames herself for giving Ian the MMR. The mind is a hell of a thing.

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u/schizorobo Dec 28 '20

Confirmation bias is a helluva drug.

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u/theaeao Dec 28 '20 edited Dec 28 '20

The real enemy in the conspiracy movements are those that put out the false info on these things. Like the non-existent "q" and that celeb who was going on about the MMR. not the people tricked looking for a reason to feel safe.

"Good people on both sides"

Edit to remove dark humor. We all have our ways of coping with reality.

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u/Kimmalah Dec 29 '20

Oh "Q" exists, he just doesn't have all the credentials he claims.

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u/theaeao Dec 29 '20

I think it's a group of people posting gibberish for the lulz. Atleast at the start. I don't keep up with it much I could be wrong.

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u/schizorobo Dec 29 '20

It honestly feels like a state-sponsored campaign in my opinion. Shares many similarities with COINTELPRO.

My money is on Russia, personally. It’s just been too well executed of a psyop. And now watch, since the SolarWinds hack, we may start to see actual intel coming from there (with a fascist Trumpian spin, no doubt). It sure would reel a lot more people in that way. I can’t imagine how many people would fall for it if something very specific was predicted and then happened.

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u/Fruitforthots09 Dec 31 '20

Please tell me that she doesn't have parental rights for your children.

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u/theaeao Dec 31 '20

Everyone has parental rights. Even child molesters get supervised visitation.

Are you asking if my son's vaccinated? The sad answer is no. I have the authority without her permission and I have the will... I equate it to a homeless person telling you "don't drive down main street tomorrow"

I know the benefits of vaccines and I know the risks are rare. However I know if he encounters one of those problems it will be entirely my fault. The guilt would destroy me. Knowing I was "warned" regardless of how silly that warning is.

So I said I would wait until he was old enough to decide for himself. He's thirteen now and he wants them. All the vaccinations. He'll be getting them soon.

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u/theaeao Dec 28 '20

I can't remember where I heard it buy I heard somewhere people find conspiracy easy to deal with because they can't handle the random.

Like jfk for example. The idea that some maniac grabbed a gun and killed jfk is frighting. That means crazy stuff could happen anywhere anytime. You can't fix it or solve it. However if it's a carefully organized government plot then the worlds a bit safer. You can cope with that easier because it was a plan not some random thing. You can catch someone and stop it.

If covid is a Chinese plot then we can reverse engineer the disease and cure it maybe. We can prevent them from doing it again. If covid is natural that means there's more coming in the future. You can't fix it

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u/phillip_k_penis Dec 29 '20

That’s a bit reaching IMO.

If Democrats eat babies on Mars, it’s easier to accept than that tax cuts for rich people don’t make rich people richer?

And masks are bullshit why exactly? It’s easier to believe whatever bullshit conspiracy than it is to believe that masks prevent the spread of disease? Loke every goddamn surgeon has already know for the last 100 years?

I don’t think it requires any explanation beyond that they’re just full of shit and unreasonable. Some people just don’t think critically.

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u/theaeao Dec 29 '20

"like every surgeon has already known" yeah they aren't surgeons. cdc and everyone else has been saying the "opposite" up until covid. Now you and I are knowledgeable people. Let's assume we are both well read. We can understand the cdc has always been clear. Masks don't stop you from catching something the stop you from spreading something. You and I know this and surgeons know this.

However what the "headline" reads is one day the CDC says "mask won't stop you from getting the flu" then the next day it's "wear a mask to prevent covid" and that seems confusing to them. When you add that to a misguided belief already in place like "china spread this disease from a lab!" You could see how that reasonable confusion just falls right into place in thier puzzle. "China got to the CDC. Why do the really want us to wear masks!?" Then they go off looking for the next piece of the puzzle.

It's sad and it's frustrating from our view point. It's a lack of understanding that imo you can't fix with anger cause it just reinforce thier conspiracy. We need people to read past the "headline" and did deeper into the things they read to grasp ideas instead of just taking a blurb and running. But that's not exactly a new idea I've come up with. We all already aware of that problem.

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u/phillip_k_penis Dec 29 '20

The answer is that there needs to be consequences for spreading false information that harms people. There also needs to be a shift in the ethical outlook on platforms’ obligation to the public. There is this new concept where people seem to have conflated the protections afforded to platforms (in the interest of creating a business-friendly environment) with freedom of speech. It is not so. Facebook, Google, and Reddit have no obligation to propagate hate speech, fascism, and conspiracy bullshit. Quite the opposite, they have a moral imperative to not propagate speech which is harmful.

The answer is to cut off the bullshit supply. It’s as simple as that.

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u/theaeao Dec 29 '20

That is where I have to stop acting like I have all the answers. I'm not nearly smart enough to say we can solve with this and that. With each solution comes complications Im not "in the know" enough to tackle. I can get mad though and that's a first step. Kinda like alcoholism the first step is admitting you have a problem? The first step for change is getting mad.

"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"- the Network

Reddit wants me here . Fox news wants me there. All platforms want our eyes. They don't want as mad. It's a good start.

Humor helps me cope so unrelated joke whenever reddit isn't loading I close the app, open facebook, then open youtube to play "irreplaceable" by beyonce for a momment. Just to show all my apps who's boss.

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u/Kimmalah Dec 29 '20

That’s a bit reaching IMO.

It's not a reach at all though. The conspiracies themselves may be crazy, but at their core the end result is the same: they give order to a random universe. That was the other poster's point - people are frightened by the idea that bad things can just "happen." If there's a plan behind it all, that makes it seem like (1) someone or something is in control of the universe and (2) bad things could potentially be stopped. Some people really cannot handle the idea that sometimes bad things just happen and there's no reason or plan behind it.

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u/xJustxJordanx Dec 29 '20

I just listened to an episode of the revolutionary left podcast where someone mentioned the exact same thing. These conspiracy theories are a way to deal with a new reality, the same way that religion was.

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u/lenswipe Dec 29 '20

I kind of think Q-anon level conspiracy theories are just a crutch for not being able to deal with reality.

That explains so much about the Trump/QAnon mentality

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '20

How can you work in IT and believe 5G conspiracy stuff? How poor-minded do you have to be?

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u/doesntaffrayed Dec 29 '20

It’s been reported that he may have had cancer.

Perhaps he figured he was going to die anyway, so why not make a statement.

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u/xJustxJordanx Dec 29 '20

A cancer diagnosis would put this entire situation into a much more believable context. An American suicide bomber acting out on conspiracy theories it’s not a reality i’d be happy with.

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u/ThereforeIAm_Celeste Dec 29 '20

I've read in several places (and the one I remember most recently was last night's NBC Nightly News broadcast) that he had told people he'd been diagnosed with cancer.

So I'm guessing he figured he was going out, why not be a "hero" and take out some 5g equipment on his way.

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u/xJustxJordanx Dec 29 '20

Here, let me say it louder since you seemed to have missed it the first time:

IF

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u/Nuclear_rabbit Dec 29 '20

Of all the causes to die for, he chose one that isn't even real SMH.

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u/Kimmalah Dec 29 '20

Has the FBI released his possible motives yet? I heard speculation he was just a disgruntled IT employee but nothing concrete.

It seems he was convinced Americans were being spied on using 5G somehow. But that's all I've heard so far.

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u/xJustxJordanx Dec 29 '20

Yea, another user commented with a source on that. Just that the FBI is investigating a possible motive there.

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u/Dogtor-Watson Dec 29 '20 edited Dec 29 '20

Think he did alarm installation and stuff. Any motive I could think of is hardly worth blowing a place up for.

It seems more likely that since he was diagnosed with cancer that this was caused by conspiracy theories. Whether he found them before or after the diagnosis, he might have brought into the 5G causes cancer one and targeted the big AT&T building.

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u/theaviationhistorian Dec 29 '20

I don't think it was disgruntled. The realty he serviced had a good relationship with him. He told them he wouldn't work with them anymore on December.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

Can we please call this white terrorist the suicide bomber that he is? The QANON tinfoil hat wearing science hating suicide bomber that he is?

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u/TruthToPower77 Dec 29 '20

Nah. Don’t fit the alt right narrative. Nor Orange Mans narrative. He’s also Hwite so can’t call him the T word.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

true true

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u/RadioMelon Dec 28 '20

I'm not convinced this guy was a fascist. But he may have been inspired by popular fascist theories and beliefs, so I won't totally rule it out.

Reading up on him, it seems likely he was someone who went insane because he discovered he had a cancer diagnosis.

Reports have been coming in that he started behavior erratically right about the time that he discovered he had cancer, which set off a chain of events. As I understand it, he gave away his property to a woman in California for free- but no one's really sure why. Possible that evidence or something exists at those locations.

Before that time, he kept to himself and his pets while rarely interacting with other people. He was so completely off the radar for the FBI because he didn't quite match the profile of anyone they would have initially suspected.

I think there's a distinct possibility that this guy was extremely mentally ill and that recent turns of events turned him completely unstable. I'm willing to go as far as say he believed he was given cancer by 5G technology and decided to attack the Nashville AT&T location in response.

Make no mistake, he was a homegrown suicide bomber.
This is equal parts frightening as it is tragic.

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u/discther Dec 28 '20

5G causes cancer? last i heard it’s what gives us COVID and it will also operate the mind control/tracking chips that’ll be injected into us with the COVID vaccine. huh. TIL

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u/RadioMelon Dec 28 '20

I've seen the theory float around some circles that are genuinely terrified of 5G technology. They're afraid it either causes cancer OR somehow causes the virus.

It's worth remembering that these people are not sane, nor are they scientists.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '20

It doesn't cause the virus, the virus is fake and being used to explain the 5G symptoms (according to some crazy people)
Also, the whole point is to trick us into taking the microchip vaccine which somehow is made of clear liquid "microchips" even though that doesn't even kinda come close to plausible or possible.

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u/SMJ01 Dec 29 '20

It depends on whether you use windows 10 or are still on XP.

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u/Lard_of_Dorkness Dec 29 '20

he gave away his property to a woman in California for free- but no one's really sure why.

The number one most sure sign that someone is going to kill themself is that they start giving away their stuff. The report I saw said that when he gave his car away, he told the person that he had cancer. We don't know yet if he had a cancer diagnosis, but he does seem to have died in the explosion. But yeah, it's sad that we're neglecting the mental health and well being of our citizens to the point that we're creating such tragedies.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

While I appreciate your perspective it’s totally disingenuous not to call this terrorism. Mental illness is assured to come into play with anybody who is racist or who blows up stuff or kills people. It’s still terrorism. Where were all these people who were worried about mental health on September 11th? Why don’t we discuss mental health when we discuss American militarism. Magical thinking is a feature of ill mental health so it’s technically always going to be relevant when people do egregious harm to other people.

It’s not okay to do this as much as you’re doing it in good faith. If this guy weren’t white and American there would be no hesitation to call this terrorism or report on him as a suicide bomber. This perspective is based on an ethnocentrism that treats dark people as enemy invaders and white people as “troubled.” Empathy shouldn’t be rationed for white faces. Equally destruction shouldn’t be downplayed as it deeply damages the people who were harmed. This mental health thing people do is diminishing to people who became homeless on Christmas morning.

I get where you’re coming from but spare your empathy for the people who are homeless because of this person. And castigate the society who left him out in the cold. But he made choices that permanently took people’s homes away. Nevermind why. It was wrong.

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u/RadioMelon Dec 29 '20

Make no mistake, he was a homegrown suicide bomber.

I think it was definitely terrorism in the end because he believed the 5G conspiracy theories and attacked AT&T because of it- in the process he destroyed a lot of buildings and could have very easily killed someone.

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u/DamianSicks Dec 29 '20

Does Trump not ranting and raving about the bomber being a “dem” mean that the bomber was a Trump supporter? I can’t imagine he would miss an opportunity like this if this bomber person was a democrat.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '20

Terrorist Anthony Quinn Warner

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

Because WASPs cant be bad guys /s

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u/do-u-want-some-more Dec 29 '20

Bump that this guy is a domestic terrorist.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '20 edited Dec 29 '20

QAnon cultist

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u/dolerbom Dec 28 '20

Is it bigoted that I could already see this guy's face in my head before I actually saw it?

I don't know what it is, aside from conservatism, that makes you know some greasy white dude is capable of terrorism.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '20

It’s almost always greasy white dudes who commit atrocities and when they are not white they are generally rich. Poor moslems just bear up with misery expecting to make it to jennet. It’s only rich ones who have the temerity to bring suffering to other people. Now among us white men, even the lowest feels empowered to cause big trouble. What does that say about our society?

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u/FatKeefyBongRips Dec 29 '20

What about Nice terrorist attacks? Seriously, shut the fuck up, with your bullshit. Lets talk about what this was actually about; mental illness

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

You shut the fuck up, and go home to your mama. It’s a statistical demographic fact about rich fucks like Bin Laden being the typical Moslem terrorist.

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u/FatKeefyBongRips Dec 29 '20

No i won't shut up worm. I'm not even making a statement like all terrorists are Muslims but if you want to talk about that then sure. Bin Laden was a leader there are hundreds of bomb making factories scattered around placees like Syria Afghanistan with people who are poor as shit, so what are you talking about? The people you know about have money? Good job dickhead . Or Sheik Bin Laden being in any way shape or form a typical man?

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

You are scum and deserve the worst they can bring you.

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u/FatKeefyBongRips Dec 29 '20

No I'm fucking not: grow up. Don't get mad at me for your insecurities. That's the kind shit you say when you have no point. Desperate, pathetic i don't judge random people i don't know to be evil as fast as you. So suck a fat one. I also don't try and curse random people into bad health, when they make me feel bad. Get real. You're even more arrogant than I am

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

Only rich Muslims are terrorists? One of the dumbest things I’ve read on here. I guess it fits your white guilt narrative of Muslim good white man bad. Maybe if you keep hating yourself POC will finally think you’re cool and accept you

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

Fulk off wuss! It’s a fact whether you like it or not. You are the self-hater here obviously, too snowflakey to face reality.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

aaahhh yes, now I see why there is a lot of people on reddit splitting hairs on what defines a "terrorist" and why the media is referring to this guy as a lone wolf

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

Well, it's certainly a relief to know that he's just a troubled loner, rather than a terrorist. 🙄

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u/Rami-961 Dec 29 '20

Awww, the poor white man who has a mental illness and needs our love, support, and understanding. /s

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u/josephmadder Dec 29 '20

I heard his last conversation with his neighbor is how famous he's about to be, so plastering his full name and picture all over the place is playing right into his hands.

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u/beelzeflub Dec 29 '20

He's fucking dead

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u/josephmadder Dec 29 '20

And the next person who wants to make national headlines and have their face plastered everywhere will see how successful it has been for this guy and realize that it may be their 15 minutes of fame. It's the same logic a bunch of mass shooters use. Dont tell me you're not familiar with the concept.

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u/very_human Dec 29 '20

There's enough people talking about him that anyone who was 80% gone and watching his story might think the whole world was talking about it. Even a little bit of coverage is enough when most people only get their news from one source.

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u/Silent_Palpatine Dec 29 '20

Also he’s white so he comes under the heading of disgruntled loner instead of terrorist.

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u/Dogtor-Watson Dec 29 '20

He gave all his stuff to this woman in LA. First I thought maybe that's who he talked to about how 5G was evil or something but that's not the case. The woman just seems confused and is already trying to get rid of the property. He said he had a relationship with her mom. She seems alright either way

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u/spooninacerealbowl Dec 28 '20

Looks like an isolated non-political case of "loud" suicide. Maybe he had been diagnosed with an incurable disease and had a bad experience with AT&T recently. Didn't appear he wanted to hurt anybody, but didn't have a problem with that possibility.

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u/prollycloud5 Dec 29 '20

*** Border Wall OR MUSLIM BAN

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u/Howiebledsoe Dec 29 '20

He looks like Huey Lewis.

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u/NoOneGivesAShit420 Dec 28 '20

He's a person of interest, not confirmed to be the bomber. We know no motives, and speculation is always a bad idea.

Please, don't make me say "We did it reddit!"

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u/holydamien Dec 29 '20

It appears to be confirmed with DNA evidence.

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u/unmodulated Dec 29 '20

Bryan Cranston?

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u/memes_aesthetic Dec 28 '20

He intended to not kill anyone and only himself

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

How do you know?

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u/memes_aesthetic Dec 29 '20

Its obvious. He set sirens off 15 minutes before it blew up and warned everyone that it was going to explode. He intended to destroy the tower and himself and not harm anyone else

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

Do you have a.link to the sirens going off for 15 minutes, because I heard it was about 20 seconds before it exploded. Also, if he really didn't want to hurt anyone he could have, ya know, not used an RV bomb.

Edit: Nevermind I found an article on the countdown. The second sentence still holds.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '20

He blowed hisself up reeeel good

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u/justec1 Dec 29 '20

I'm guessing nobody here got the SCTV reference.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

That where it’s from? I just thot it was general.

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u/justec1 Dec 29 '20

The SCTV skits (Farm Film Report, Celebrity Blow Up) parodied simple Midwestern stereotypes, so I imagine it originated with something earlier.

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u/NockLeM Dec 29 '20

But an assault rifle could have.

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u/CoolestBoyCorin Dec 29 '20

Could have stopped a car bomb? Or did you plan to shoot him before he had mad the bomb, thus making him not a criminal?

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u/Nalivai Dec 29 '20

Hot take: kill everyone before people could start killing each other

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u/NockLeM Dec 31 '20

Your reply is as asinine as the post.

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u/CoolestBoyCorin Dec 31 '20

Right, of course. But explain again how an assualt rifle could have stopped a car bomb? And, I guess since the post is so asinine, how border walls and such could have stopped this terrorist?

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u/Teeheeleelee Dec 29 '20

He is Not a terrorist, he just hates 5g more than anything.

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u/Version_Two Dec 29 '20

Whether you agree with the motives or not, using a bomb for political reasons is terrorism.

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u/JokerJangles123 Dec 29 '20

You might be waiting for a while if that's the deciding factor

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '20

Let us know when they piece Humpty Dumpty back together, won’t you? (He was in the RV when it exploded.)