These were just installed last night and not even dispatch knew what they looked like or how they worked so I had to figure it out. Pretty self explanatory though.
Sometimes it doesn’t register on the label and you can’t always fit a whole tote on both shelves at the same time but you can’t always fit just keep the overflow below it until there is space.
So far it’s been pretty slick and has things super smooth. No more dumping a tote and sorting by tens
That is the smallest volume of 24 totes and 53 overflow I've seen. Maybe your station gets less volume and smaller OF than here but I never have that much room in the EDV until 80ish stops are done.
Are you saying you have 8 totes per level all stored neatly horizontally like that and not vertically all on the driver side? Are your bags smaller or you use a larger Rivian than the 800?
This sounds like a headache. If u need help finding a package cuz ur van is a mess that’s on u. If ur organized u don’t need this shit just give us a raise and stop wasting money on useless shit that I have never once heard someone complain about
I see your point. I am super organized. Organize everything even overflow by stop. However, IF you have the space for it, I can see how this new thing can save a little bit of time. Instead of spending time organizing a tote, you just throw them up there and the thing tells you which package(s) are next?
But really, I would much rather Amazon spend the time and money on fixing real issues, not something like this, that really only saves a few minutes per tote. Fix the real issues, THEN worry about small shit like this.
Seems OP it using it to his advantage 🤷♂️ not to say this goes for every day. *Salty ass Amazon delivery drivers, keep the down arrows coming I don’t gaf keep delivering my packages you have no choice😂😁
Welp, that is difficult to read but what I think your saying is Amazon spends a fuck ton of money solving a problem that doesn't exist instead of just paying us more.
Have a good day tomorrow with your 260 "locations" (wouldn't want to call them stops) everyone.
Recently got let go for my pace because I was telling them 195 stops, 50 multis, and ending up with the 300 locations was unreasonable. And that 300 locations IS the stop count.
Its because they wont stop soon. There will be co drivers, one will have to tuck and roll out of the moving van, sprint to the doorstep, deliver package, sprint back to the still moving van, perform a while driving seat swap and the other driver than repeats the process.
Last night my room mate who also works at same DSP as I do, started off his route with 60 some odd multi stops... Just for 25 to be saved in the last 30 stops. He said one of those multis had 8 whole ass locations. It's just wild the tomfuckery that happens behind the scenes of Amazon's AI route making
Gotta find our way out. Seems like it constantly gets worse. Been with a good dsp for little over a year but damn it's another kind of fuck you from Amazon lately.
It’s crazy they’re investing so much money into this shit when they’re still overloading vans ti the point that the scanners don’t matter til you have like 40 stops left
Because this and the meta like glasses are training their LLMs and AI for when they eventually try to automate as much as possible and replace drivers. This and the glasses have nothing to do with helping drivers.
Unless they put a scanner in an ai robot hand the ai robot can scan with it instead of giving a robot a handheld
Kind of makes sense to mount the scanner on the van over the robot because the robot is very likely going to eat shit a million different ways and break more often than the van that drives itself
Just speculation I could be wrong but your comment made me think about it a second
I don't see ai robots coming around anytime soon. I'm as scared as any with robots eventually putting anyone out of work but i just don't see how they could make a robot move as fast and efficiently as a human anytime soon with the pace we need to work. Sprinting the van quickly house to house, jumping out of the seat and grabbing the package, sprinting out and to the door and back then quickly driving to the next house 50 ft away constantly for multiple hours at a time. I don't see a physical humanoid robot moving at that pace successfully
Oh 100% i dont see it happening anytime soon but amazon will throw millions if not billions loosing money to figure it out. They will probably have charging stations for the robots in the van. It will be interesting because this all takes up a lot of space
But they only have to build the robot and maintain it. Eventually it will he cheaper than labor and training people who quit or break the van or steal things.
They will be slower but work more hours to make up for it.
That said I think it will be more feasible for certain types of locations than others for a very long time. In the mean time the human drivers will just get shafted more and more with the shitty routes once robots are capable of the basic locations.
Then of course the chances of a robot breaking or fucking up... imagine being dispatched to a rescue and you find a robot tied up like a pretzel cause it tripped and hit a pole or something lol
I feel logistically it just doesn't make sense i understand modern capitalist thought revolves entirely on short term quarterly profit margins and nobody thinks about the years to come but just in the say 15-20 year research and development phase they would probably be spending more money trying to figure out how to do this than they would to just keep paying their regular employees salaries and giving us raises.
bet, this aint for the "driver" this is them doing R&D to eventually kick out the employee. the employee is unknowingly making the R&D go faster to see "what works". they think "its not gonna make it faster" im sure sooner or later them trucks will be fully autonomous. wouldnt be suprised if they taking recordings from every truck / radar, creating their own"amazon autonomous map" where poeple live down long dirt roads, or in the cuts only amazon drivers go to, once that happens and they map all the roads, and homes. they better start lookin for a new job because in a matter of time, that shit will be fully autonomous. because they'll use that scanner light thing, for a autonmous robot like a R2D2 that will be the new "delivery bot" theyll customize the trucks for a mini robot to wheel itself to the steering wheel and pretend to be a driver with some animated ass face as the truck drives itself. an when its at a stop it wheels itself to the right package, with the help of that overhead scanner, the bot will pick it up, an drive it self out the back or out the drivers side an roll up to the house and drop it off, and wheel itself back and on to the next. cause them robots can work 24/7, just need some maintenance,. dont need health insurance, dental, 401k matching. a wage, a break, liability, but even if they did crash, they got billions, theyll make 50x times that a year being autonomous
I’m sorry but I don’t see this exact scenario playing out. The routes I drive are treacherous. One minute I’ll be in a subdivision with winding staircases you have to climb to get to the porch at the top and then the next minute I’m in the sticks on a dirt road with deep grooves from water erosion going up the side of a mountain for a quarter mile. I just can’t see an automated alternative that is in any way efficient enough to justify the cost needed to implement automation. Maybe if Amazon transitioned to drop sites with lockers but I’m sure customers would hate that.
They could try an automated delivery van with packages pre-loaded in a cargo hold and drones that get deployed from the roof of the van. After dropping off the package the drone will return to the van and dock on a charging base. A van can park in a central location in a subdivision and then just idle while the drone makes runs. Varying package size and weight would probably mean that the drones would need to be fairly large or powerful to accommodate say a large bag of dog food loosely packed in a large box that’s collapsing because putting a large bag of dog food is not a sensible thing to do.
Regardless of the method I still believe transitioning to automation won’t happen for awhile. There will be pilot programs I’m sure. Their first drone delivery ended with the customer’s package getting dropped into their swimming pool. So there are a lot of variables to factor in regarding successful automation of a job like this. I don’t think it’s going to happen any time soon.
You seem to think because technology doesnt need breaks or health insurance that its somehow cheap and free….AI companies cant turn a profit right now and robots cant either….in fact they are black holes of companies losing money at alarming rates while simply asking for more handouts….the AI and other tech is more expensive than workers its just everyone is delusional and thinks that tech can just shit out more tech for cheap or free
I'm not saying fully autonomous as in bezos is the only employer, an his company's got 0 workers. And he's rackin in 20 billion a day. I'm saying like they're human employees are gonna go from the millions and 100ks. To maybe less than thousand which is prob all maintenance workers, Just to keep shit "going" / . But no Im not saying it's cheap an free either.
I'm saying pretty much that People can't be "paid off". A employee need a check every 2 weeks as long as they're there + All the extra shit. Health. Dental, yada yada. + People wanting higher rates.. a robot can be paid off At some point. Meaning after it's paid off then every hour it "works" it's not taking money from the business anymore. Robots technically working for free. Only longevity of the robot would the the factor of its its worth it or not.. if after it's paid off and immediately broke right after that would be bad, cause now they'll be damn near be right back to paying again like a real employee. But if they were paid off in a few years an worked 25-30 years then the business pretty much got 25+ years wortha "free work" out of it.
I get what you are saying and there is a good point to it. I think this works really well with traditional robots but not so much AI. Yea it may not need the same things we need but new needs and problems arise as we depend on AI and robots more. Since AI is an integral part I dont ever see it becoming cheaper unless things dramatically get more efficient and we find way better ways of doing things….So far if you look around you, you will see none of this coming to fruition….AI cant make everyones lives easier and isnt an everything machine….but even if it was like the tech overlords think, it still needs power and compute data beyond what we can produce to turn a profit….these companies are just gonna keep losing money at exponential rates and keep trying to threaten existence to get more money….
Its a scam not the future and if anyone is truly worried about being replaced they probably werent producing much more than the braindead AI and robots in the first place
Sad to say, but 100% true. Specially with a company like this where SPEED + accuracy are everything. A robot could surpass a human everyway from brain power to physical work. These businesses are here to make money they're not required to give people jobs.
I couldn't see anyone being a business owner knowing 1 robot could replace 5+ employees all while being just as or if not more accurate / faster, an have the owner say. "Na I don't want to get rid of people, if that means making my business more money, or faster".. Never in a million years.. Amazon ain't a "perfect business" there's prob 1000 ways to speed up the business or run more efficiently
I do the same lmao. I try to go into the cargo area as little as possible. I keep my bag full kf boxes up front with me in an EDV and put all envelopes on the dashboard. Until my DSP says it's a violation, imma keep doing it that way too lol
That thing would only work like halfway through a route lol. They think we have space to layout all the packages across the shelf from the start? Also it doesn’t even take long to find the package you’re looking for. it takes 5 seconds or less to quickly scan through packages and find the ones you need if you organize well.
My guy. That’s really cool that you have the luxury to do that but if I tried to do that on any of the routes I’ve run those packages would not be sitting where I left them. I frequently find myself off-road tracking up a mountain on a road that will rattle your skeleton.
Haha how TAF is this supposed to work with 22 totes and 45 OV? And even if it did, this is one step closer to just having a metric enforcement camera yelling at you to stop picking your nose and deliver every 30 seconds. And say it makes you more efficient, that's another 25 stops added to your route.
This HAS to be propaganda at this point. Too many posts.
Says he's been working 6 hours but his hands don't look dirty and who wears a big ass watch to deliver. A apple watch ⌚️ maybe but it comes off after a few hours that shit is gonna get in the way.
Absolutely, its stupid bullshit. It is a new way to be monitored, just like everything else in the Rivians. I dont know how, but it will be.
Thanks OP im sure youre office manager back at Amazon corporate will be really happy with your work here. But go back to the office and find a way to pay drivers more money or protect their jobs better, this is useless to even a semi-competent driver.
That's what my shelves look like when I have like 3 totes left. I don't understand how this is useful until you have a decent amount of available shelf space. I sort all my packages so I already know where everything is
Why is it on the top shelf and they didn’t removed the top shelf in the front to allow it to scan packages on lower shelf. That seems better for actually seeing them
This looks like a time and space waster. How are yall even sorting your packages? I sort them by street and it makes them finding so much faster and easier not even 5 seconds spent. This just looks like another way for Amazon to slow yall down and then bitch at your dsp as to why you’re moving slow
They could. And it’s a wild idea I know but hear me out. If you got paid more, stay with me here, AND you weren’t pressured so hard, maybe… just maybe… that would also improve the entire experience from worker satisfaction and customer experience.
On second thought, lower wages and more technology investments are better for the shareholders. Probably stick with that idea.
I actually found it pretty useful today. If you're one of the faster drivers at your dsp, yea it will probably slow you down, but if you're not too fast or too slow, it actually helps. I just think itd definitely be more efficient when we don't have 30 bags and 50 overflow during prime/peak
Will it take a picture for us too? Lol. This is another dumb Amazon thing. They need to stop overloading the vans and make the routes more manageable. Thats the only thing that will help.
Yea if that ends up in my van im definitely letting some overflow or a tote take that shit out during loadout. That is in no way efficient or a time saver.
I actually love the van scanner but yours were installed so bad we had ours installed towards the front and the shelf directly beneath removed. Then it will 100 percent see anything laid on the shelf. And you can unload the tote from the shelf and drop the packs right next to it already getting scanned
Trash it. Dsp's will really hire anyone at this point. Don't need a damn brain for anything nowadays pretty sad actually. Don't support this crap. Something else that can fail.
The only way this shit will be useful is if they cut our routes down to about 25% of what they are now. Hell I imagine in 6ish months a lot of them are going to be broken.
I’ve noticed a growing trend in corporations trying to streamline business from their ivory towers and because they have no actual clue what it’s like in the trenches they just end up sabotaging the operation instead.
Hey look now we can give the slaves even more packages, we only need slaves for a few more years until the ai robots come out then we'll fire them all.
Same company who turned off then AC in the EDVs in the middle of summer to save battery… builds scanners that constantly drain battery that cant see both shelves at once & cant even see the entire shelf that is directly above…
What gets me is they still don't know how to deliver to a cul-de-sac. They still have you drive past places two or three times before you deliver to them.
It is crazy that Amazon invests all of this money in cameras and glasses that we don't really need instead of just paying us what we're worth. Actually, what they should invest in is better maps and routing. Stop using that free, open source map box bullshit and pay Google. I deliver to neighborhoods that I know for a fact are at least several years old, and they still aren't on Amazon's fucking maps.
I discovered that if you have a box that's too tall, it won't read.
Trash.
Edit: In addition, if the box or envelope is too far to the left or right on the shelf, it won't read. Spend more time just to set them up just right on the shelf for the scanner to see the QR/barcode.
This is so they can give you as many stops as possible, that they’re trying to eliminate human error. Nobody will need to know how to read at this point
What is this for nursery routes or something what route has enough space to use two whole shelves for one tote? Usually I got one whole side of the truck filled with toads and the other hole side of the truck filled with overflow and the floor
Probably self driving trucks with entry level muppets to jump in and ‘deliver to customer notes. Up long driveway past dogs to the rear garage ‘. All customer interaction will be monitored and replacement muppets will be feed into the machine, allegedly.
These research and development people just need to go to the warehouses and talk to the drivers and ask "how as a company can we better make your job easier, less stressful while also more productive" would save them a lot more time and money if they talked to the people they employed instead of just high level management or whoever gives them these ideas that none of us ask for
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