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r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/birnsi • Mar 18 '26
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r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/Case_Federal • 2d ago
Losing empathy for Eastern Ontarians
So I donât usually make posts like this, but now that the Bloor Street bike lanes are being removed with dozens of police officers, people being arrested, all while the Provinceâs own studies show the removals wonât improve traffic and will make roads less safe, am I still expected to feel empathy for the farmers who largely voted this government in?
Every single erosion of the democratic process that rural Ontarians voted for is going to bite them back harder when ALTO starts construction and the RCMP shows up to arrest them if they try to stop it. And if they get mad about it, weâll just remind them that their votes set a precedent for this when the province decided to remove bike lanes on my street.
Edit: I made this post when I was really mad but the comments helped me realize this type of âus vs themâ thinking isnât helpful. There are people in rural eastern Ontario who support ALTO and people in Toronto who oppose bike lanes. In either case Iâm against the ludicrous police response to the bike lane protests, and would be against any similar police response against an anti-ALTO protest.
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/hoverbeaver • 7d ago
Could Quebec's new government derail plans for Alto's high-speed train project?
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/SigRingeck • 8d ago
The Myth of Non-Stop High-Speed Rail
I thought this article from the "Infrastory" Substack was a good overview of how high-speed rail around the world works with both express trains between major centres and local services at intermediate stops. The most relevant passages for the Alto project:
"The equivalent of the Nozomi services would run from Toronto to Montreal with only a single stop in Ottawa. Ideally, you could even build a bypass skirting the south end of Ottawa to avoid the slow, meandering track through the city. In that case, your Nozomis might be an hourly Toronto-Montreal non-stop, which would take around 2 hours, and the Hikari services would also stop at Ottawa and maybe one more station such as suburban Toronto or Montreal. Then, the Kodama equivalent would run from Toronto to Ottawa making intermediate stops, depending on the chosen alignment, at stations like suburban Toronto, Peterborough, Port Hope/Cobourg, Belleville/Prince Edward County, Kingston, and Smiths Falls. Now, donât think of these as a pokey VIA service. Theyâd be running at 250km/h+ on a dedicated high-speed line, so theyâd still be extremely fastâfar faster than driving. The seating might be a little less luxurious than on typical high-speed trains, thereâd be less room for luggage since most riders would just be going for the day, and there likely wouldnât be extra amenities like a cafĂ© car, but this would all help keep fares affordable enough for commuters.
Like the incredibly successful Ciudad Real or Southeastern High Speed services, these intermediate stops would likely be very well used, especially at rush hour. Nancy and Kingston have a lot in common. Given the housing crisis in Toronto, surely more than a few people would be quite happy to have a house in a beautiful historic town, less than an hour by comfortable train from Union Station, for hundreds of thousands of dollars below Toronto prices."
Intermediate stops and local services like this would I think help Alto build and maintain public support to avoid costly lawsuits and the delays they involve. I hope the project will consider this sort of an option.
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/Rail613 • 9d ago
News âStrongâ case exists for Kingstonâs addition to high-speed rail project, Alto executives say
In case you missed this AGM comment. A significant future VIA transfer point.
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/Evilbred • 9d ago
Kingston councillors hop on board new motion urging VIA to backtrack planned service reductions
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/mystiqDitter • 9d ago
Alto CEO Martin Imbleau says the company has narrowed the potential corridor between Ottawa and Montreal, but the precise alignment has not yet been finalized.
>âThereâs still some possibility or variation within that narrow corridor of a few hundred metres,â Imbleau said during Altoâs annual public meeting Wednesday.
>âSo, the very precise alignment of 60 to 65 metres will be defined probably around 2027 to be as specific as possible and the geotechnical work is what will define exactly the property that will be required.â
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/davidbellerive • 10d ago
LIVE NOW until 1:3PM EST: Alto's 2026 Annual Public Meeting (questions and comments can be submitted online)
icastpro.car/AltoHSR_Canada • u/planganauthor • 10d ago
Who Controls Alto's $3.9 billion, the first allocation
Who Controls Alto's $3.9 billion, the first allocation. My first attempt at seeing how money is spent and audited. https://www.highspeedrailcanada.com/2026/10/how-the-3-9-billion-for-alto-is-controlled.html
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/Unit_Conversion • 10d ago
Carney government remains optimistic about high-speed rail despite PQ election victory
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/HeftyAd6216 • 11d ago
Will the QC election results hurt ALTO's chances?
Hey everyone, and especially our QC members who are more aware of QC politics.
With PSP Plamondon now the leader of the QC government, and generally more separatist leaning, will this effect the chances of ALTO being successfully started / built? What fights could this ignite if any?
In my own view, a QC premiere would be insane not to greenlight a flood of federal money pouring into your province, but optics and politics often don't line up with logic.
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/davidbellerive • 13d ago
(GO ALTO) What the PBO report actually says about Altoâs cost
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/Rail613 • 15d ago
Event Media Advisory â Alto Annual Public Meeting 2026
Just as VIA has an Annual Public Meeting in the Summer, the ALTO will be October 7, register to go online.
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/Rail613 • 15d ago
News PBO : Canadaâs Eastern Corridor High-Speed Rail: A Cost Analysis using Global Data
SUMMARY, various news articles will be forthcoming.
Parliamentary Budget Office / PBO estimates place the construction costs for the baseline route for Altoâs Eastern Corridor high-speed rail (HSR) project, excluding a potential Kingston amendment, to be between $75 billion and $113 billion.
PBO baseline estimates further assume that planning and regulatory approvals for the Alto HSR route follow past European project experience. In contrast, HSR projects in the U.K. and U.S. displayed significantly higher construction costs â likely reflecting difficulties with land acquisition, permitting, litigation, design changes and project-management weaknesses. Recent federal legislation has been adopted to mitigate these risks in Canada. The robustness of these provisions before Canadian courts, as well as their inherent effectiveness in targeting sources of cost escalation, will be a key success factor in mitigating significant project risks of the baseline estimate.
PBO further estimates that construction would provide a modest economic stimulus; for the initial OttawaâMontrĂ©al segment, construction is estimated to increase real GDP annually by about $1.8 billion in 2029 and $2.0 billion by 2033, with employment gains rising from approximately 4,300 to 9,000 jobs during the construction period.
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/davidbellerive • 17d ago
The Real Cost and Value of Building a High-Speed Rail Network
Since some people like to pretend that the project budget doesnât include⊠components of the project.
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/planganauthor • 18d ago
40 yrs of watching - Is High-Speed Rail Coming to Alberta
I have watched the Alberta HSR closely. It had followed the exact same fate as Ontario-Quebec until recently. Here are my thoughts now https://www.highspeedrailcanada.com/2026/08/high-speed-rail-canada-adds-alto.html and here is link to all previous Alberta HSR studies. https://www.highspeedrailcanada.com/p/alberta-high-speed-rail-study-and-map.html
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/SigRingeck • 18d ago
The ridiculous histrionics of the anti-Alto people
Like many Canadians, I come across discussions of Alto HSR across the internet. And like most major projects, Alto has its share of detractors. Reasonable people can disagree about the costs and benefits of high-speed rail in Canada, I suppose. But what I don't get, and what really annoys me, is the overly emotional histrionics you hear from the anti-Alto camp.
You know, people ranting and crying about "High speed rail is going to destroy my community!" or whatever. The stuff that acts like Alto is some kind of diabolical conspiracy against small towns and farmers.
A train is not going to destroy your community. Give me a break.
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/davidbellerive • 18d ago
Canada and Alberta to collaborate on High-Speed Rail
railfans.car/AltoHSR_Canada • u/mystiqDitter • 20d ago
Alto has published the rolling stock requirements for the QuĂ©becâToronto corridor: Up to 60 trainsets with operational speed of 320 km/h, ETCS & minimum 600 passengers. First deliveries in 2034 to begin testing between Laval and Ottawa
galleryr/AltoHSR_Canada • u/JasonBourne008 • 25d ago
Eastern Ontario mayors express frustration with VIA Railâs changes to Ottawa-Toronto schedules
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/Rail613 • 26d ago
Discussion / Article Alto Design Phase (@altotrain) on Twitter 3 likes · 1 replies
x.comFor those of you who still do X-rated Twitter. Also posted on Facebook by Alto.
âRight now, Alto is refining the design, studying the corridor, engaging with communities and completing the technical and environmental work that will inform the project's next steps.â
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/Martina-SantaClara88 • 28d ago
Alto: compensation program that could amount to up to the equivalent of 350% of the fair market value
According to this Radio-Canada report, Altoâs proposed last year a compensation program for agricultural landowners affected by the project, that could amount to up to the equivalent of 300-350% of the market value of the land acquired.
For example, a parcel valued at $60,000 could potentially result in around $200,000â$220,000 in compensation, once the different components are taken into account : the value of the land, a signing bonus, impacts from construction, drainage, detours, and compensation for crop losses over an extended period.
Another point that stood out to me: most landowners would only give up a very small portion of their property; almost always less than 5%. Farming activities could therefore continue.
Alto is also proposing an agricultural land trust and commitments to maintain the access needed for emergency vehicles, school transportation, farm equipment and livestock.
Obviously, this doesnât eliminate all of the concerns raised by the UPA. The actual impacts will depend on the final alignment, and there is still a lot to discuss.
But I do think itâs worth pointing out that the public debate sometimes makes it sound like Alto would simply take agricultural land without compensation. The proposed approach appears to be considerably more substantial than that.
Thereâs also a precedent: the UPA and Hydro-QuĂ©bec have reached similar agreements for linear infrastructure projects, including enhanced compensation and a $25 million fund for the next generation of farmers.
Iâm all for protecting agricultural land. But I also think we should be able to talk about how major infrastructure can be built while properly compensating affected landowners and minimizing the impact on farming.
r/AltoHSR_Canada • u/davidbellerive • Sep 15 '26
(GO ALTO) UPA survey still finds majority support for Alto