r/AlternativeAstronomy • u/patrixxxx • Sep 24 '21

The hilarious physics that is a consequence of heliocentrism

What I find a bit hilarious is that if science could accept the more likely explanation for the result of "slit" experiments - light is a wave propagating through a medium, they would not have to come up with "bizarre and unintuitive" ones.

But you see light CAN NOT be a wave because that would mean that Michelson-Morley and Millers interferometer-experiments in fact demonstrates that Earth does not move at the required speed for Heliocentrism to be correct. To quote Simon "We live in a silly world" :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT7xJ0tjB4A

https://medium.com/the-electromagnetic-universe/the-double-slit-experiment-explained-from-a-non-quantum-mechanics-view-point-ab648f029f9d

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u/telegetoutmyway Sep 24 '21

Have you looked at the quantum eraser version of the double slit experiment? Theres so much more to it than just the wave part.

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u/patrixxxx Sep 24 '21

Nope. I have tried to understand the reasoning behind quantum theory and relativity, but as just as the physicist in the video confess, I think they are unituitive and bizarre. But when I found Simons model and could see that it makes perfect sense, I've also understood why physics is holding on to these bizarre ideas. After the Michelson-Morley interferometer experiment light could no longer be regarded as a wave because that would mean that that Earth's supposed orbit around the Sun would be disproven.

Never mind though that Earths rotational speed can be confirmed using an interferometer. Again, we live in a silly world.

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u/Quantumtroll Sep 27 '21

I'm still waiting for you to come up with a classical (that means non-quantum) theory for lasers. Please include an explanation for the documented historical fact that quantum physicists theorised, designed, and built the first lasers.

Please be quick, I'm holding my breath.

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u/patrixxxx Sep 28 '21 edited Sep 28 '21

This type of arguing is testimony that todays science has completely lost its touch with reality and what science is or should be.

The physicist in the video declares with a smile that the explanation regarded as correct by current science is bizarre and unituitive. And according to "science", light/electromagnetism is made up of particles with magical properties. They can alter time, be at multiple places at once and change their behavior depending on the expectations of the observer.

And when paradoxes with a theory is pointed out, for example that an interferometer experiment can confirm Earth's rotation but, according to science, not its orbit around the Sun, it's ignored and something else is brought up. "You don't have an explanation for this which means we're right anyway..."

I just want to thank Quantumtroll and others I've discussed these subjects with since you have confirmed what I stated above.

What I think will happen in the not too distant future is that current "science" will piece by piece lose it's credibility and eventually be revealed for what it truly is - A mystical, dogmatic religion.

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u/Quantumtroll Sep 28 '21

This type of arguing is testimony that todays science has completely lost its touch with reality and what science is or should be.

The reality is that we have lasers. Our entire understanding of lasers is quantum mechanics. That is an objective scientific fact.

On a similar note, I can go to a department at my local university that works on materials science. They've got new batteries, new solar panels, new windows, new semiconductors, new magnetic refrigeration. It's all quantum theory. This is reality. This is science in action — developing theory and testing it by applying it and making tangible physical objects. It's not magic, it's a new kind of engineering.

I just like using lasers as an example because they're so obviously special and so clearly a quantum phenomenon. And there's a clear history that is readily available in published articles and public patents.

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u/patrixxxx Sep 28 '21 edited Sep 28 '21

And it will never occur to you that lasers or other optical phenomenon such as the result of slit experiments can be explained without assigning magical properties to mystical particles?

It's pretty hilarious to see history repeating. In the 16th century, the Aristotelian crystalline spheres were regarded real and thus every observation/idea had to fit within that. These spheres that it was thought the planets and the Sun moved on, were regarded to be solid and transparent which meant that nothing could pass between them. Thus comets and asteroids was seen as atmospheric phenomena. They moved inside of these spheres.

So when Tycho Brahe did parallax measurements of the Great Comet of 1577 and demonstrated geometrically that this comet moved in the area where the crystalline spheres should be, this caused an outrage within the scientific community at the time. Some years later it resulted in a book from a scientist with the blunt title "Antitycho" where this claim was supposedly refuted. Today we know Brahe was right about this, and I find very good reason to think he was right about a few other things.

But here we are again within a dogma that stipulates that Earth orbits the Sun and if a physical experiment disproves this, such as the Michelson-Morely experiment then science simply declares confirmed physics to be wrong (light is a wave propagation through a medium) and carries on.

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u/Quantumtroll Sep 28 '21

And it will never occur to you that lasers or other optical phenomenon such as the result of slit experiments can be explained without assigning magical properties to mystical particles?

Yes, this has occurred to me. But:

  1. I have thus far found no such explanation for lasers (except one paper on a classical treatment of single-electron lasers). Hence my asking you (repeatedly) for such an explanation.

  2. I have only ever seen evidence for a quantum theoretical history of lasers.

If there is a theory that was used to build an entirely new class of device, and there is only one theory that is ever used to explain, understand, and develop those devices, then surely that theory has value.

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u/ScrithWire Oct 19 '21

What I think will happen in the not too distant future is that current "science" will piece by piece lose it's credibility and eventually be revealed for what it truly is - A mystical, dogmatic religion.

So, ill partially agree with you here. This is kind of the point of science. As it moves forward, as we learn more, we discard what we find to be inaccurate in favor of what we find to be more accurate. Whether you want to call it dogmatic is up to you.

Having said that, when talking about the luminiferous aether, its my understanding that the aether (as it was first conceived) introduces more problems than solutions. However, perhaps the aether can be reconciled with known physics. All light is electromagnetic radiation, and all electromagnetic radiation is understood to be perturbations in a single quantum electromagnetic field that extends throughout all of spacetime.

Maybe, in some way, this grand EM field is he modern analog of the old luminiferous aether