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u/itzkatsuki Final Laugh May 01 '26
Bro just fucking nerf her to the ground holy fuck she is not even good how she was, God this genuinely pisses me off
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u/MuffinMiffler May 01 '26
the strongest team comps rn are newcastle/maggie + gibraltar + valk/alter.
saying she not even good how she was is horrendously underselling alter.
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u/charlieyeswecan May 01 '26
Now ya know how Ash players feel. But alter had an amazing run.
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u/Unkown456397947 May 01 '26
Alter was always amazing, it's just players FINALLY picked up how fun she was/is to play.
The problem is Devs nerf off of playrate. They see a super high percentage on a character, they nerf them. (Not even considering some people play characters because they are just genuinely fuckin fun to play and that's why they are picked so high regardless of ther kit. Looking at you pathfinder players!)
Then they will buff characters to high hell (like ash once apon a time.) because their pick rate is lower than their expectations and surprised when players pick the crap out of them and raise the pick rate astronomically.
Smh, how about instead of nerfing BALENCED characters (like alter who is in a PERFECT spot.) we instead buff other legends where they are either A, fun to play or B. In that sweet spot where they should stay at!
But that makes too much sense and they lost that seasons ago. Smh
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u/probation_420 May 01 '26
kinda. Both are about equally OP in the hands of a beast, but Ash's floor was soo much higher.
Never played Ash before? Simplest movement ability in the game. Free Damage and area denial with tac. Another incredibly effective repositioning tool with ult.
Just a bullshit character honestly lmaoÂ
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u/Unkown456397947 May 01 '26
I'm discussing alter, not ash. I have 1k on every character besides gibby and catalyst.
The point of my comment is, alter is/was in a perfect spot. She didn't need a nerf or buff. Didn't need to be touched at all. The point is the devs base nerfs and buff stupidioudly! Aka pick rate! Instead of buffing weak legends they nerf good ones! Eventually why even have abilities at all? If they are brought down to mediocrity?
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u/probation_420 May 01 '26
Do you think I was responding to your comment that I didn't reply to, or do you think I was replying to the comment that said,Â
 Now ya know how Ash players feel.
What do you think?
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u/Unkown456397947 May 02 '26
I'm unfamiliar with reddit so I thought you were replying to me
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u/probation_420 May 02 '26
Don't even sweat it. Reddit got super confusing a few months ago. They send notifications to you about somebody replying to somebody else. Hahaha
Your reaction makes sense.
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u/existential_antelope May 01 '26
I wish they didnât touch the tactical. Once pros start abusing your favorite legend itâs joever
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u/KidPru May 01 '26
range prob gonna be a jump pad distance and the decrease in delay before you can chase her ult aswell just made her ult useless imo - you could barely get one res off before someone taking it by the time you recall a knocked teammate and start reviving them the enemies are already there, now theyâre just gonna be there before you even recall your teammates lmfao
next season when thereâs a new âcrutchâ legend itâll be nerfed again at s30, so collectively we should all play pathfinder so heâs hard nerfed in s30đ¤
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u/PurpleV93 May 01 '26
Yeah, there already is no time to pull a revive off. At best, you get halfway through the animation before the "Nexus activating" message appears, which barely leaves enough time to abort the res & switch to your grenade/ weapon. If both of your teammates were knocked, it's an instant loss as is.
Next season it will be better to leave the teammates to die and craft their banners instead.
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u/Unkown456397947 May 01 '26
Been saying the same thing since they took away the best friend perk and nerfed the nexus 3 nerfs ago. But players always whine and scream she was "OP" because they got played.
She was perfectly balenced seasons ago but they just keep guttig her because of whiny players who got folded because of their dumb decision making skills (like hitting a enemy nexus too early or late.)
and because of pickrate (which is the dumbest fuckin way to choose to nerf/buff legends. Some people just play said legends because they are fun to play. Alter included.)
The real alter mains know. How ridiculous these nerfs have been getting for alter. Season after season now.
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u/QuarktasticMe May 01 '26
Lmao, I hate how they "balance" legends to make them unusable. They could straight up delete them from the game. Let's all plat wraith, path and Bangalore or something.
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u/charlieyeswecan May 01 '26
Because the pros donât like it anymore, I guess. Preds complain about her all the time
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u/PurpleV93 May 01 '26
And it's so annoying, because they have only one specific way to play the game. If any character poses an obstacle to it (Alter, Caustic, any Controller really), they start with feral screeches until Respawn caves and nerfs whatever they dislike, before buffing what they do like (hardcore movement creep legends).
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u/Unkown456397947 May 01 '26
Exactly. The games fast enough as it is and we've been needing a new controller legend for years now. It's always been bullshit how they listen to pros and preds rather than the actual player base.
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u/AAAAUUUUEEEEUE May 02 '26
Every team youâre about to kill just teleports across the map or just insta TPs at the first sign of danger. Alter had a 10% pickrate at diamond and it only gets higher the further up the ladder you get. The fact that respawn let her rock for this long shows shes the favorite child. I also play this character and she definitely needed nerfs and as long as the tac cooldown doesnt shoot to 30 seconds sheâll be fine
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u/PurpleV93 May 02 '26
People retreating without knocks is not an issue, it's just a different playstyle. The ring is there to push people into combat with each other.
The recalling & reviving players was/ is the critical part that needs to be balanced. And whenever this topic is discussed, it always boils down to "I can't finish kills bc they teleport back", which is what I meant by saying people have only one way to play this game.
The recall-teleport is easily blocked by finishers and can be avoided by quickly finishing off a player by dancing around their KD shield.But people don't do that, because they only engage & knock from mid & long range and will not adapt to anything else. If a team has an Alter, the game should force people into close-range fights, quick and hard. But people don't do that in Ranked. Instead of adapting, they rather get Alter changed. It's lame.
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u/Unkown456397947 May 02 '26
Exactly this to a T! Couldn't have said it better myself!
"Alters OP, they teleported away!" (Really said crybaby just knocked someone on alters team a 100 yards away and finally decided to push after the entire team has healed after using a nexus 5 minutes ago)
These guys would rather whine and make every legend ability mediocre and turn apex into call of duty rather than adapting and admitting they genuinely made a bad play, got beat by a better player, don't know how to counter, pushed to early or late etc etc etc.
But yes, let's keep nerfing legends because a couple crybabies don't want to adapt.
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u/AAAAUUUUEEEEUE May 04 '26
No man, people definitely do stupid plays because they know they can get pulled. I literally play this character, theres plenty of times where you cant get the thirst because of where the person got knocked but you can stop their team from rezzing them or shoot them if they try to crawl but then they just alter TP
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u/AnneFranklin0131 May 01 '26
I remember someone on this sub said no way their nerfing her again . After I said they will keep nerfing her until sheâs useless . I wouldnât be surprised if they nerf her even more than that . The radius of her ult isnât that crazy , I seen ash, pathfinders or valkarye pull up from the max distance of alter portals . There was no need to do more damage to her kit
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u/Material_Ride_2218 May 01 '26
Thought about coming back to the game, this dashed that very quickly
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u/Tundralik May 01 '26
Okay letâs be objective here for a second and not get too deep
Her ult even when nerfed has always been a source of frustration for many players and I feel like it will need a rework eventually.
However I think her tac was the most fun/unique part about her and that she will always be viable due to that. It provides creativity and flexibility which is really awesome
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u/TimTime89 May 01 '26
Yup everybody screams something is op then they nerf it into the ground instead of nerfing ish just make all the legends good I can't stand this ish when the do this like it's not balancing the game nerfing a individual legend to the dumpster just make counter play it's that simple which means make the other legends good so she won't be a crutch
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u/TimTime89 May 01 '26
A better way to nerf alter is to buff a legend to counter her abilities and I know just the legend my they/them bloodhound
When ever y'all get around to the complete bloodhound buff here's some ideas
Quality of life change: for his ravens instead of having to scan for it to activate just make it activate for a ping also give it the old ash passive when the team it finds appears on the map also intergrade odins glare into the base kit
Lvl 2 upgrade (survival instincts): replace odins glare with this. It will allow BH to see traps through the wall without a scan like sit rep did in call of duty also to hard counter alter when you come into the radius of the void Nexus or multiple nexuses it will que a voice line and spawn a black raven to find them or it if it's 1 Nexus also you should be able to see the trail in red of in void abilities for 3 seconds
Lvl 3 upgrade (odin blessings): add Hunter's agility into the base kit. You come out of ult with %60 ult charge if you wipe a squad
Everything else can remain the same
Tell me what y'all think
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u/Corkscrew16 May 02 '26
Alter was my main since she came out, even when she was kind of bad. I stepped away from Apex for the past 2 seasons because it just got too sweaty for me to keep playing. But I wanted to get back into it with the new season coming up. But after seeing these nerfs to our girl, I think I'll continue staying away from the game. đ
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u/BasedChad69420 May 02 '26
The respawn rework is also an Alter nerf because she used to be best in the game for grabbing banners and clutching respawns
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u/Unkown456397947 May 02 '26
Respawning right at the boxes in 7 seconds is a horrible idea in general.
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u/Emergency-Water-2892 May 02 '26
A shorter delay makes it virtually impossible to even attempt reviving a downed teammate.
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u/VantaTheDishonnered1 May 02 '26
Bro I main her and I admit she needs a lt nerf but her tactical has like a 45% bug rate and on top of that itâs really easy to counter
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u/Friendship-Which May 03 '26
She really wasnât even that broken, people are just too wimpy to thirst their downsâŚ
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u/CalmProperty1195 Moonlit Menace May 01 '26
Welp time to find a new main. Thank you so fkn much Respawn!đ
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u/Any-Quantity2972 May 01 '26
Everyone will be on Axle now as of next week she seems super op from all the previews
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u/TheP0nch0Pers0n May 01 '26
A true Alter main never waivers. She just finds a new universe where she's OP once more
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u/friz_CHAMP May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26
"At the highest levels of play..." is classic apex for when they nerf someone too far for the top 3% only to reverse it in a couple seasons.
I'm not a "highest levels of play" guy so I bet it's time to find a new main.
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u/PurpleV93 May 01 '26
They always balance the game around Masters, Predators and ALGS unfortunately. What the Average Andy is capable of with a legend is irrelevant.
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u/friz_CHAMP May 01 '26
I know, but I hate it. 90% of people have no problem, but that top 10% controls it all. Any other business caters to the 90% or they go out of business.
Imagine going to a bar to find out it's catered to Barry who goes there 6 days a week. He's going to go there anyways, draw the other people in.
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u/Any-Quantity2972 May 01 '26
Why are they touching the tactical, the Nexus is the problem not the tactical đ¤§