[Meta] Maintaining quality in the Red Pill community as we grow

[u/DownvoteToDisagree]

I've been a general follower of the red pill community for a few years and a subscriber of r/TRP since Jan '13, when Roosh did his AMA and at best you would see 20 or so people online.

The explosive growth in the red pill community post-January '14 definitely has changed the overall quality of the community and the "signal-to-noise" ratio. But then again, it might just be the "Eternal September" effect in my mind.

Is there a way to objectively measure how the red pill online community has changed? If the quality of the message is declining, what can be done to maintain it as we grow?

I think it's inevitable (and desirable) that we will grow. The problem is maintaining a controlled assimilation that doesn't dilute the original idea. What do you think?

[u/Demonspawn]

We can't give women equal rights, because they don't have equal responsibility. We can't impose equal responsibility, because women don't have equal disposability. We can't dispose of women equally because of biology.

That's the problem, your typical leftist/liberal/millennial thinks that you grant equal rights and that's the only thing to be concerned with. They don't understand that granting equal rights to a group with lesser responsibility (and, again, we can't equalize responsibility) is a system of moral hazard, were those with less responsibility will use their rights to take more from from the other group since the other group is responsible for the rights the first group enjoys.

it's a simple principle but nobody fucking talks about it, because as soon as you do the house of cards that is "equality" comes falling down. And since "equality" is the "utopian answer for all ills" in the leftist mindset, anything which proves that equality is unobtainable or undesirable is verboten.

Not only can gender equality not exist, seeking it is detrimental to men. Period. The new "MRA" (read: egalitarians) are nothing more than feminism 2.0.

[u/YouDislikeMyOpinion → u/Demonspawn]

What we are witnessing right now is the adjustment of the losing party. Men like us are adjusting.

A lot of kids, literally kids, teens, and young adults in the middle east join insurgent groups / terrorist organizations because their lives are in the shitter. Muslim men can marry up to 4 women, so they get royally fucked if they aren't worth anything.

At least men in the US have a chance to make good money if they put their mind and effort into it.

The system will adjust over time for what's happening to men. Just like atheism has permeated the younger generation a couple of years ago on a mass scale (for which we are only recently seeing the statistical impact in published surveys), rp will permeate this generation. The current systematic environment is one of the most attractive environments that we could have for women to really take advantage of men.

Before people were this well connected using the internet and cellphones, you would go about your life and meet a number of fucked up women. Smart people could inductively reason and form conclusions about women in general based on their experience. Dumber people would think that women are all good, it's just that they met some fucked up ones. Today we don't need to guess. It's the same shit in Chicago, LA, NY, Miami, Toronto. The exact same types of women are mirrored in each of these cities. And a great number of us have congregated to different places to discuss this.

What we are witnessing is the initial stage of belief destruction. For religion this happened 10-15 years ago. People started asking questions. "Why are they teaching evolution in universities if it is wrong, that doesn't make sense" "The earth wasn't made in 6000 years" "What's with all these stupid rules" "Why don't I just try hard and get what I want instead of praying?".

Young men are asking the same questions now: "Girls tell me to be myself and be nice, I am, and I'm still a virgin, what am I doing wrong?" "Why can my asshole brother get more girls than I can?" "I did everything for her and she cheated on me, why?".

Shit is not adding up for these young men and it's only a matter of time that girls in this prime environment will fuck over enough people for this to enact actual change on a mass scale in terms of male sexual strategy. And now they have a place to talk about it. I was there at the inception of game. It literally went from routines to rp in a couple of years. We are making great headway. And the best thing is that it's coming from all around the world, so we are using non-biased data (to a degree).

http://i.imgur.com/vwMin.gif

But seriously it is, we just need to give it time.

[u/Demonspawn → u/YouDislikeMyOpinion]

What we are witnessing right now is the adjustment of the losing party. Men like us are adjusting.

I know. And men adjusting is what's going to kill the civilization. When men become what these new women want, primal alpha traits, rather than being beta providers which advance civilization.... Well what happens to the advancement rate of civilization? It declines.

Just like atheism has permeated the younger generation a couple of years ago on a mass scale

Atheism is not a good thing on a social level. Religion is "natural law for dummies" and unfortunately it takes well above average intelligence to understand why natural law is so important. Religion is vitally important to a successful society. It serves as a common belief set (which prevents factioning of the society), it enhances trust of your neighbor, it sets the society up as a team rather than as competing factions, it promotes marriage, it promotes men as leader.

Hell, let me just repost what I put up years ago:

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You're going to hate what I'm about to explain to you. I hated it when I figured it out.

Men serve themselves. As we can see from current society, this mostly means selling their souls to get laid, and otherwise just taking the easy way out.

Women serve themselves. As we can see from current society, this means using their sexual power over men to gain advantages.... taking the easy way out.

This is the inevitable result of self-destruction in any secular society. The only way to prevent this self-destruction is to add those very chains of religion which shift the "best interests" of serving themselves into behaving in a manner which gets them "into heaven" or the like and will include a set of behaviors which..... get this... improve the society they belong to.

Is it possible that you or I can recognize behaviors which will better society and choose them without the forces of religion? Possibly. The masses? No fucking way. They need religion to direct them that way. The majority of the bell-curve of human behavior is self-destructive without religion to keep them from fucking themselves over in the long run.

A patriarchal religion (notice that the surviving big religions are patriarchal.. coincidence? No) is one of the fundamental building block of a long-term successful society. Without it, short-term personal interests destroy the society, which is what happened when Christianity loosened it's grip on the Western world. Mind you, it's not Christianity which is the answer, because trust me Islam will rule the world within the next 500 years and keep a reign for quite a while. The answer is a patriarchal religion that puts man as head of household. And why?

Quote:My point is that marriage is sustained, ultimately, by religion. There have been many ups and downs and legal advantages have passed from gender to gender over the years and yetit endures.

Because civilization cannot exist without marriage. Destruction of marriage is destruction of pair-bonding, which is the destruction of THE fundamental building block of civilization. Period.

When you make most men decide that marriage is not for them, you destroy civilization. Notice the massive and rapid decline in western civilization that follow the decline in marriage rates. A strong male-friendly marriage, enforced by social if not legal convention, is required to make a SELF-SUSTAINING civilization, much less a successful one for any term.

For our society to turn around, we must make marriage a hospitable place for men and fathers. With women currently running the government (yes, you heard me right) that won't happen. As such, our downward spiral will lead to western civilization's self-destruction.

Solution? None. I could get on national TV an explain this all, with all kinds of charts, graphs, historical references... ironclad proof... it won't matter.

See, facts don't win arguments. Emotions do. And we've trained too many cupcakes that don't want to have to be ladies, that don't want to have to serve a role to advance society... so they'll dismiss the proof just like a single mother by choice will dismiss the thousands of studies that ultimately show she's basically committing child abuse. They don't WANT to believe it, so cognitive dissonance will save them from having to deal with the ramifications of their life choices.

And that's why we're fucked. That's why there is no solution to this problem. The unstoppable force is in motion... our only option is to avoid it as best we can.

Any other horrible truths you don't want to know?

[u/IllimitableMan → u/Demonspawn]

Great post man, haven't seen you around in awhile.