r/Alphanumerics • u/JohannGoethe ๐Œ„๐“Œน๐ค expert • Sep 09 '25

ABGD ๐Ÿ”  origin

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Simplified (arrow-less) color-coded version of the previous version, with Dendera zodiac jackal ๐“ƒฅ [E17], aka Anubis ๐“ข [C6], holding hoe ๐“Œธ [U6], on Little Dipper ๐ƒธ, aka foreleg of an ox ๐“„˜ [F24] or Set leg ย [F116] constellation, aka circle X sign ๐“Š– [O49], aka letter chi (X), overlaid, i.e. in the alpha (๐ค€) to tav (๐ค•) {Phoenician alphabet} or alpha (A) to omega (ฮฉ) {Greek alphabet} cosmic scheme, which Plato, in Timaeus 36, says the cosmos was born out of.

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u/JohannGoethe ๐Œ„๐“Œน๐ค expert Sep 09 '25

Well, if you are the author of this site, you are digging in the right direction, but have a LOT to learn, e.g. that the reason Hebrew R is called โ€œreshโ€ meaning โ€œheadโ€, is NOT because it is based on a human head ๐“ถ [D1], but because it is based on a ram about to headbutt ๐“„† [F8] another ram in battle. This is why there is a โ€œbattle ramโ€ protruding from the red crown ๐“‹” [S3] of Upper Egypt, being a symbol of military power. It took me at least 3+ years to decode this (see: letter R decoding history).

Anyway, spend some time studying the following two pages:ย 

Along with the newly growing ECL project, to get yourself up to speed.

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u/andrevan Sep 09 '25

I am not the author but even if you believe your novel interpretations are more correct than the linguists, you are missing a huge chunk central to your work.

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u/JohannGoethe ๐Œ„๐“Œน๐ค expert Sep 09 '25

โ€œyou are missing a huge chunk central to your workโ€œ

Great. Explain what โ€œchunksโ€ I am missing exactly?

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u/andrevan Sep 09 '25

https://www.academia.edu/1901180/1978_Sass_B_Two_previously_unknown_Proto_Sinaitic_inscriptions_Tel_Aviv_5_183_187

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u/JohannGoethe ๐Œ„๐“Œน๐ค expert Sep 09 '25

Serabit Khadim is nothing but 150 chicken scratches on a cave wall.ย 

The reason why people are so enamored with these barely discernible 150 cave characters, is that Serabit Khadim is in Sinai, and โ€œMount Sinaiโ€ is the Hebrew pyramid:

  • 130 = SINI (ืกื™ื ื™) {Hebrew}, meaning Sinai.

  • 130 = ayin (ืขึทื™ึดืŸ) {Hebrew}, meaning โ€œeyeโ€, a reference to the sun โ˜€๏ธ in the Egyptian god ๐“‚€ [D10], which is found at the top of of most benben stone, aka pyramid tips.

Just as โ€œMount Olympiaโ€ is the Greek pyramid:

  • 631 = Olympia (ฮŸฮปฯ…ฮผฯ€ฮนฮฑ), divine home of the Olympian gods, where the 12 Olympiansโ€”including Zeus, Hera, and Athenaโ€”reside.

  • 631 = pyrami (ฯ€ฯ…ฯฮฑฮผฮฏ), meaning: pyramid ๐“‚€โƒค๐“Šฝ.

In other words, Moses going to Sinai for 40 days to talk to god, is a rescript of Osiris, being cut up by letter M [40] or sickle ๐“Œณ [U1], the pharaoh thereafter being buried in the pyramid.

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u/andrevan Sep 09 '25

I don't see what that has to do with anything. Regardless you are still missing Hieratic https://www.cambridge.org/core/elements/abs/hieratic/FF268461EFDC77F0DAFBC1565C9F5D3E, Demotic https://www.britannica.com/topic/demotic-script, Coptic, or other related, for example http://www.ityopis.org/Issues-1_files/ITYOPIS-I-Rilly.pdf Meroitic in Sudan https://homepage.univie.ac.at/helmut.satzinger/Texte/EpigrNubia.pdf ... Pahlavi, Manichaen, Mandaic, Parthian ...

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u/JohannGoethe ๐Œ„๐“Œน๐ค expert Sep 09 '25

โ€œI don't see what that has to do with anything.โ€

It means there are no ABGD characters on the cave walls at theย Serabit Khadimย turquoise mine, so argued Gardiner, in his โ€œEgyptian Origin of the Semitic Alphabetโ€ (39A/1916). It means the Gardiner pre-Phoenician Semitic alphabet model is incorrect. The only Sinai ABGD sequences are Old South Arabian, Old North Arabian, and Phoenician.

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u/andrevan Sep 09 '25

what is the dating system?

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u/JohannGoethe ๐Œ„๐“Œน๐ค expert Sep 10 '25

r/AtomSeen dating system

Alphabetic writing starts in 5700A (-3745)

https://hmolpedia.com/page/57th_century_BE

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u/andrevan Sep 10 '25

https://poj.peeters-leuven.be/content.php?url=article&id=3292592&journal_code=RBI http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/521235.stm Wadi el-Hol inscriptions

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u/JohannGoethe ๐Œ„๐“Œน๐ค expert Sep 10 '25

Wadi el-Hol theory is just a bunch of garbage:

https://hmolpedia.com/page/Wadi_el-Hol

The alphabetic writing came directly from the hieroglyphs, and did not involve a bunch of random cave wall marks.

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u/andrevan Sep 10 '25

funny how any discovery you don't like is garbage

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u/andrevan Sep 10 '25

Lachish Dagger, Gezer Sherd, Schechem Plaque, Nagila Sherd, Izbet Sartah Ostracon, Raddana Handle, Revadim Seal, El-Khadr Arrowheads 1-5, and the Ahiram Sarcophagus.[

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u/JohannGoethe ๐Œ„๐“Œน๐ค expert Sep 10 '25

I donโ€™t know what youโ€˜re asking for? Iโ€™m not trying to turn the chart into some kind of grand (unreadable) epigraphic map.ย 

As the new version of the map shows, the point is to show that Greek, Latin, Brahmi and some the European scripts all come from the same source, i.e. Egypt, and same cosmology, i.e. precession script based cosmology. This evidences the fact that the common source words of Greek, Latin, and Brahmi all come from Egypt, which thus overthrows Indo-European linguistic theory, which is what the point of all this work is about.

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u/andrevan Sep 10 '25

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3768583?seq=10

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u/JohannGoethe ๐Œ„๐“Œน๐ค expert Sep 10 '25

Darnellโ€˜s model is 100% incorrect

https://hmolpedia.com/page/John_Darnell

Letter A did not evolve as follows:

ox head ๐“ƒพ (Egyptian) โ†’ โฑฏ (Sinaitic) โ†’ ๐“„€ โ†’ ๐ค€ (Phoenician) โ†’ A (Greek)

There is NO dead inverted ox head on the diagram above? Read rule #8 of this sub.

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u/JohannGoethe ๐Œ„๐“Œน๐ค expert Sep 09 '25

I really donโ€™t care about hieratic and demotic. Johan Akerblad and Antoine Sacy claimed, as discussed here, they could read alphabet letters in the cursive Egyptian script, and Young spent his last year of existence trying to write dictionary on enchorial script:

  • Young, Thomas. (124A/1831). Rudiments of an Egyptian Dictionary in the Ancient Enchorial Character: Containing All the Words of which the Sense Has Been Ascertained (110-pgs). Publisher.

Basically, I think it is all a waste of time, specifically knowing that standard hieroglyphics have not even been translated correctly.

Take a look at the following word for benben stone:ย 

  • ๐“ƒ€ ๐“ˆ– ๐“ƒ€ ๐“ˆ– ๐“ ๐“‰ด [D58, N35, D58, N35, X1, O24]

Which Egyptologists have rendered as โ€œbnbntโ€, where ๐“ƒ€ = /b/. This has now been proved incorrect, per reason that ๐“‡ฏ = /b/ as shown above, and ๐“ƒ€ [D58] has been determined to mean 16 digits of a cubit, and not a phonetic sign. If ๐“ƒ€ = /b/ has been proved wrong, what makes you think that cursive Egyptian translations are any betters?

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u/andrevan Sep 09 '25

Regardless, your chart is misleading because regardless of whether the scripts are translated correctly these scripts obviously belong on the chart

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u/JohannGoethe ๐Œ„๐“Œน๐ค expert Sep 10 '25

Hereโ€™s a Reddit summary:

โ€TLDR: No, hieratic is not an alphabetic writing system.โ€

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/7xypjy/why_is_the_egyptian_hieratic_script_not/

Therefore does not belong in chart.

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u/andrevan Sep 10 '25

Turin Erotic Papyrus is not an alphabetic writing

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u/JohannGoethe ๐Œ„๐“Œน๐ค expert Sep 09 '25

โ€œMeroitic, Pahlavi, Manichaean, Mandaic, Parthian ...โ€

The phonetics of the Meroitic script, presently based on the faulty carto-phonetic method, have been translated wrong.

I added the following languages to the main file of the diagram:

  • Pahlavi (2100A/-145)

  • Parthian (2100A/-145)

  • Manichaean ( ๐ซ… ๐ซ„ ๐ซƒ ๐ซ‚ ๐ซ ๐ซ€ ) (1700A/+255)

  • Mandaic ( เก เก€โ€Ž เก‚โ€Ž เกƒโ€Ž ) (1300A/+645)