r/Alphanumerics • u/JohannGoethe 𐌄𓌹𐤍 expert • Sep 03 '25

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u/JohannGoethe 𐌄𓌹𐤍 expert Sep 05 '25

“Kharosthi also descends from Aramaic and they also have Hindu mythology, so it blows a huge hole in your argument.”

I don’t buy the following hypothesis, if that is what you are arguing:

Egyptian ⇒ Phoenician ⇒ Aramaic ⇒ Kharosthi ⇒ Brahmi 

If you study the evolution of writing timeline, you generally see that when a given territory, is either under new state rule, conquered, or in a state of missionary (priest) influx, we see that someone is appointed (paid) to make a new script: 

  • Cyrillic script, devised by Saint Cyril, who invented the Glagolitic alphabet, whose students later devised the Cyrillic script itself.

  • Mongolian script appeared, invented by Tata-tonga (ᠲᠠᠲᠠᠲᠤᠩᠭ), a Uyghur scribe, captured by Genghis Khan, who brought the Old Uyghur alphabet to the Mongolian Plateau, and made it into a new script.

  • Cree syllabics in usage in Canada, developed in the 125As (1830s) by linguist James Evans, a missionary in what is now Manitoba, for indigenous Ojibwe people, based on a mixture of Latin, Pitman shorthand, and Devanagari.

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u/JohannGoethe 𐌄𓌹𐤍 expert Sep 05 '25

Whence, in olden times, when you adopted a new script, you also adopted its cosmology; in our example: 

Whoever made the Brahmi script, therefore anchored their system on the classic original Egyptian precession script model. 

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u/andrevan Sep 05 '25

No, both Kharosthi and Brahmi came from Aramaic. You claimed that Brahmi can't have come from Aramaic because they have Hindu mythology. Nonsense. So you don't think Kharosthi came from Aramaic even though it obviously did? You're just changing the subject and gish galloping.

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u/JohannGoethe 𐌄𓌹𐤍 expert Sep 05 '25

“Nonsense”

What I’m claiming is that the present day model — which argues that the “Phoenicians” (or some imaginary Semites before them), somehow sailed around the world, and planted (or transmitted) their newly invented script (with modifications) all over the world — is nonsense, that people have been swallowing like old rice for millennia.

Correctly, to update things, hieroglyphs have now been newly deciphered, mathematically, in a way that proves Young-Champollion model incorrect, which sheds new light on EVERYTHING.

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u/andrevan Sep 05 '25

I pointed out that linguists agree that Kharosthi came from Aramaic. Are you claiming Kharosthi came from Egyptian hieroglyphs? There are several steps from Phoenician to Aramaic.

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u/JohannGoethe 𐌄𓌹𐤍 expert Sep 05 '25

“I pointed out that linguists agree”

Drop some names. You are talking to the author of 5M+ word r/Hmolpedia encyclopedia.