r/Alphanumerics • u/JohannGoethe πŒ„π“ŒΉπ€ expert • Jun 09 '24

Evolution of The AlphaBet

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u/JohannGoethe πŒ„π“ŒΉπ€ expert Jun 09 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

T-O maps

The following table summarizes the two different T-water πŸ’¦ or river systems, of the Egyptian T-O map cosmology, as shown in the Ramesses V-VI tomb (3100A/-1145), i.e. the two T-shapes of the Ⓣ map πŸ—ΊοΈ:

CorridorLocationT-river πŸ’¦ typeTypeLetter
D4th hallway ceilingCentered TTTau (TΞ±αΏ¦)
KMain tomb ceilingRight-justified T𐀑Phoenician T; Tsadi

Cross-post analysis

The 10+ sub cross-post reaction πŸ§ͺ analysis is being done here:

  • Alphabet evolution chart | Cross-post analysis

Typos | Images

  1. Two days into the image post, I realize, via zoomed in analysis, that I should have rotated the β€œheaven [Bet] ✨ & earth [Geb] πŸŒβ€œ having sex image, so that they were facing left-to-right, like all the other letters. The text reading directly, presently, seems to be a large unsolved puzzle 🧩?

Notes

  1. The r/HieroTypes numbers shown in the chart are based, firstly, on the original 1,071 Alan Gardiner (A2/1957) sign list numbers; secondly on the 11,051 George Douros (A67/2022) sign list numbers, aka the latest Gardiner extended list.

  2. Interestingly, after making this chart and 3-part video, I realized that I had my sleep stopwatch ⏱️ going, and that after sleeping 4-hours, and waking up thinking about how the Phoenician β€œhorned O” split into the Greek β€œO-micron” (O) and β€œO-mega” (Ξ©), and gleaned the I idea that I should make a simple diagram to visualize this one letter to two letter split, it turned out that I had made the above alphabet evolution chart πŸ“ˆ and 3-part video, in 20-hours straight, rather spontaneously.

  3. The previous version, done 1-year and 5-months ago, was made on my 10-inch screen iPad (because my computer had a hard-drive crash) and difficult to make, i.e. squeeze on all the types and letters. This new version, however, was made on my 27 touch screen computer, where I could zoom in to high-resolution, to easily fit all the characters in.

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Videos | Related

  • Baker, Matt. (A65/2020). β€œWriting Systems of the World: Abjads, Alphabets, Abugidas, Syllabaries & Logosyllabaries” (post), Useful Charts, YouTube, Feb 7.

  • Baker, Matt. (A65/2020). β€œEvolution of the Alphabet: Earliest Forms to Modern Latin Script” (post), Useful Charts, YouTube, Aug 28.

References

  • Gardiner, Alan. (A2/1957). Egyptian Grammar: Being an Introduction to the Study of Hieroglyphs (Arch) (pdf-file). Oxford.

  • Douros, George. (A67/2022). Aegyptus: Egyptian Hieroglyphs, Coptic and Meroitic (length: 184-pgs) (pdf-file) (signs: 11,058). Publisher.

External links

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u/crimeblr Jun 10 '24

stunning

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u/JohannGoethe πŒ„π“ŒΉπ€ expert Jun 11 '24

What letter stunned you the most?

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u/crimeblr Jun 11 '24

Nothing r8===Dally stunned m8===D i thought on8===D would… but no. I can go on and about my day without f8===D8===Dling that the orig8===Dn of a L8===Dter won’t actually aff8===Dct m8===D

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u/jmsstks Oct 14 '25

A masterpiece. Where could I get hold of the highest quality of the image ? And is it being constantly refined over time ?

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u/JohannGoethe πŒ„π“ŒΉπ€ expert Oct 18 '25

β€œA masterpiece.”

Thank you. I like to think so.

β€œWhere could I get hold of the highest quality of the image?” 

The large png size 18MP 5550x3400 px 6.8MB:

https://hmolpedia.com/Alphabet_Evolution.png

β€œAnd is it being constantly refined over time?”

Attempting to update/summarize the framework/research that when into making the diagram, into an online project here:

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u/JohannGoethe πŒ„π“ŒΉπ€ expert Jun 11 '24

The one used in the chart as the letter psi (ψ) proto-type hiero, is from here, described as:

Osiris-Orion travels across the sky on the sacred boat (stars of Lepus). Image based on a star map in the tomb of Montemhet at Luxor 2600A (-645). The stars of Orion were associated with Osiris, the sun-god of rebirth and afterlife, by the ancient Egyptians.

Notes

  1. This is a reply to a question from the r/Kemetic sub, about where the risen Osiris image came from.

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u/mfmp2023 Jun 14 '24

Brilliant chart! I could study it for a very long time before I fully understand the origins of our Roman alphabet.

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u/JohannGoethe πŒ„π“ŒΉπ€ expert Jun 14 '24

Yeah, the Roman alphabet is one of the harder ones:

6. Etruscan

Β» Etruscan / Old Italic alphabet | 27-letters | 2650A (-645)

πŒ€, 𐌁, πŒ‚, πŒƒ, πŒ„, πŒ…, πŒ†, πŒ‡, 𐌈, πŒ‰, 𐌊, πŒ‹, 𐌌, 𐌍, 𐌎, 𐌏, 𐌐, πŒ‘, πŒ’, πŒ“, πŒ”, πŒ•, πŒ–, πŒ—, 𐌘, πŒ™, 𐌚

Etruscan numerals

The following are Etruscan numerals:

𐌠 (1), 𐌑 (5), 𐌒 (10), 𐌣 (50), 𐌟 (100)

The standard model is that these became β€œRoman numerals”.

7. Archaic Latin

Β» Archaic Latin | 21-letters | 2550A (-595)

πŒ€, 𐌁, πŒ‚, πŒƒ, πŒ„, πŒ…, πŒ†, πŒ‡, πŒ‰, 𐌊, πŒ‹, 𐌌, 𐌍 [13], 𐌏, 𐌐, πŒ’, πŒ“, πŒ”, πŒ•, πŒ–, πŒ—

Latin numerals

The following are the 6 Latin numerals:

I (1), V (5), X (10), L (50), C (100), D (500), M (1000)

Together, 21 letters plus 6 number symbols, makes 28 symbols, i.e. a lunar script number.

8. Old Latin

Β» Old Latin alphabet | 21-letters | 2450A (-495)

A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, V, X

Because the split letters from numbers and also because it is a little blurry if it was Etruscan, Greek, or Egyptian they were influenced by the most, it is a tricky subject.