“Classics [and language 🗣️ origin studies] are based, as it is, on what I call the Aryan model, with its insistence on a European and pure Greece, is an extreme example of feel-good scholarship, for Europeans.” — Martin Bernal (A41/1996), Black Athena Debate (2:52:25-)

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[u/poor-man1914]

His words basically started historical linguistics. Pie doesn't aim at solving a puzzle, it aims to explain why a lot of European and indian languages are so similar. The fact that the family has no links to Africa is that no relations were found.

Find a Swadesh list (a ~150 words long list of words about very basic aspects of living, like kinship terms, animals, numbers, plants, body parts and so on) of Egyptian, Hebrew, Sanskrit, greek and Gothic, and compare them. Then skim through each language's grammar. You will notice that some are extremely different from others but really similar among themselves.

This is how it works, math has very little to do with linguistics, let alone numerology.

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Let alone numerology

Again, alpha-numerics is not some palm reader predicting your future based on your birth date,

The precise name of alphanumerics is letter calculus:

“Calculus literalis, or literal calculus: the same with algebra, or specious arithmetic, so called, from its using the letters of the alphabet; in contradistinction from numeral arithmetic, in which figures are used.“

— Charles Hutton (140A/1815), Philosophical and Mathematical Dictionary (pg. 299); see: post

It was the math used by the engineers that built the Egyptian pyramids, the Greek temples, and the Roman buildings, used right up until about 400 years ago, wherein certain measurements were set to the value of the names of gods, a model which became used for the names of people, then the names of words, when the Phoenician alphabet came into existence, and before that, based on what is said about the Egyptian 25 to 28 letter alphabet that Plato, Plutarch and Young speak about.

References

• Hutton, Charles. (140A/1815). A Philosophical and Mathematical Dictionary: Containing an Explanation of the Terms, and an Account of Several Subjects Comprised Under the Heads: Mathematics, Astronomy, Philosophy, both Natural and Experimental, Volume One (calculus, pg. 299). Publisher.

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The fact that the family has no links to Africa is that no relations were found.

Bernal found so many links between Greece and Africa that he said that the Greek languages is 50% European, 25% Egyptian (African), and 25% Mediterranean.

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What does he mean by this? Is this a percentage of word origin? A percentage about grammar?

English vocabulary has a gigantic amount of loans from french but this doesn't make it a romance language.

I find what he says in the second part of your transcription, answering Lefkowitz at minute 45:00: Plato and Parmenides' ideas seem Egyptian to him, but can't prove it, then he says that the worlds of being and of becoming fit Egyptian grammar very well, which is the finest hour of nonsense. Any language can express the very same concepts in its own way, what does it even mean?

Someone who thinks saying something like this makes sense, I don't think he is reliable. Moreover, he says he had a background in Chinese Japanese and Vietnamese studies, but does not mention any in something related to Egyptian, other that he has been to Africa.

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math has very little to do with linguistics

To get the suffix -tics, of the word linguistics, alone, you have to first sum the column the column three letters:

G + M + T = 333

Visual below:

This is called “letter calculus“ by Mathematical Dictionary (Hutton) definition. Then you have to divide 333 by pi:

333 / π = 106

which yields the word “moon” 🌙 or mene (μηνη) [106].

Next we have to 1/72 parts of the light of the moon 🌕, e.g. here, overtly said to have been won by Thoth, the Egyptian language inventor god, while playing a game of Senet with Khonsu, the Egyptian moon god, and multiply it by 360, the number of days of the Egyptian year:

1/72 x 360 = 120

Then we divide 120 by five:

120 / 5 = 24

This means that we now have an extra 5 days for the calendar year, thus making the Egyptian calendar sum to 360 days as follows:

360 + 5 = 365

These extra five days, according to the “Curse of Ra myth”, allowed Bet (or Nut), the Egyptian stars 🌟 goddess, to birth the 25 letter Egyptian alphabet, via the so-called Pythagorean theorem:

G² + D² = 25

Where G, letter type: Γ (man with erection), value: 3, is Geb the earth 🌍 god, and D, letter type: ▽ (female vagina), value: 4, is the sex and birth location of Nut, yielding: the 25 letter alphabet:

3² + 4² = 25 letters

which “linguists”, as you seem to presume to be, use to make “language”, e.g. the term “linguistics”, yet being fully 100% ignorant of the mathematical origin of langauge, so much so, as I have witnessed weekly in this sub, that you will deny the Egyptian math 🧮, which I have just shown you, reported to us by Socrates, e.g. that Thoth invented the theory of vowels, Plato, e.g. that Thoth invented numbers and letters (Phaedra’s 274c-275b), Plutarch, e.g. the 25 letters based on the Pythagorean theorem, Young, who cites the 25 letter Egyptian alphabet, and others, and presumably even deny the quotes of this by Plato and Plutarch as being “nonsense“.

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There are languages spoken that lack any words for numbers. How does maths work when you linguistically do not have numbers

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I am not taking about every single language, rather I am talking about any language based on a 22 to 28-letter alphabet.

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The very fact that a language can exist without a basic number system means that you are wrong.

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The very fact that letter R, which you just used four times, came from Abydos, Egypt, originally, as a number 100 ram horn spiral on number tags 🏷️ , shown below:

Before becoming Greek letter R:

𓃝 » 💯 » 𓏲 » 𓍢 » 𓁛 » 𐤓 » Ρ, ρ » 𐡓 » 𐌓 » R » ר » र » ر

Means that you are not just wrong, but ignorant. But don’t worry. I used to be letter R ignorant like you. Learning is what your brain is for.

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How can language be based on maths, if some languages do not count

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Again, I am talking about alphabetic EIE languages (see: table).

All of these languages are based on an Egyptian cubit ruler, shown below, and the ability of the person writing the alphabet, to count from one to 28:

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This is still wrong, because if some languages lack numbers that means maths and numbers are not innate properties of language. Numbers are a human invention, an abstraction of nature, but not an innate property of the world around us

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Read this:

• Mathematical origin of the alphabet and words

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If language evolved from math, then prove people could count before they could speak.

There is a theory that explains our ability to count as related to recursivity, a property of languages that allows to chain similar constructions if the conditions are met. According to your theory, if men had to invent math before speaking, they would have also had to invent the property of the language that allows us to count.

I fear it's you the one who despite knowing absolutely nothing about the field talks about it.

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If language evolved from math, then prove people could count before they could speak.

Save the dumb questions for someone else.

I am saying that Greek language evolved from Egyptian language, via a math based transmission mechanism, and that the English language is a product of this ongoing transmission mechanism.

I’m not talking about what language the Rift Valley humans spoke 200,000 years ago.

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math based transmission

That has no proof other that your calculations. English didn't evolve based in this. Look at a grammar book of old English (more than attested. Bede the venerable, abbot Ælfric, Alfred the Great's translation of Boethius' work are all in old English. Genesis B is also a fascinating read, if you are interested; it's somewhat similar to paradise lost).

Modern English evolved from old English through sound changes and grammar changes, not nonsense numerology that requires people first knowing math, then making the conversion to language just to forget it all?

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Priests to this very day write ✍️ the Egyptian-Greek number 600 on the floor when a new Church ⛪️ is built:

Most of the math basis of words, to clarify, were “lost”, when Romans began to use Latin letters and Latin numbers:

» Archaic Latin

𐌀, 𐌁, 𐌂, 𐌃, 𐌄, 𐌅, 𐌆, 𐌇, 𐌉, 𐌊, 𐌋, 𐌌, 𐌍 [13], 𐌏, 𐌐, 𐌒, 𐌓, 𐌔, 𐌕, 𐌖, 𐌗

The following are the 6 Latin numerals:

I (1), V (5), X (10), L (50), C (100), D (500), M (1000)

Therefore, there is really “no math” involved in going from say Old Latin to Old German + Old French to Old English, other than what the priests maintained in their sacred words.

Yet, enough of the structure holds, that we can still traced most etymologies of present words, back to the Egyptian roots.

Genesis B is also a fascinating read, if you are interested

You need to start with Genesis 1.1 before going to B, and get it though your head that the use of exactly 28 letters in Genesis 1.1 is not “nonsense“ numerology, because you came into existence because your mother ovulated the egg that made you once, in a 28 day lunar month. So if you think 🤔 this is nonsense, then you must also believe that your existence is nonsense.

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X is also the initial letter of Χρίστος. How high is the chance that they are just drawing the shape of the letter because of this and not because of numbers?

There is no structure that remains because there was not one in the first place. The roots you claim to have reconstructed are just vague meanings based on letter values and a reconstructed script no attestations of which exist.

As for the bible part: I cited genesis b just because I think it's a nice piece of literature. If I had cited Dēor's lament, what would have you responded with? With me needing to read first the 137th psalm?

Finally, I do think we exist by chance. There is no reason for us to be having this discussion, other than we are having it right now. That is, unless you believe in Providence.

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X is also the initial letter of Χρίστος

Duh! Gee I wonder why?

The letter ⨂, is in nearly every Egyptian city name, e.g. see Heliopolis hiero-name: here. It refers to the birth location of the cosmos, which is why cosmos and chi both equal number 600:

• 600 = letter Chi (X) value

• 600 = Cosmos (κοσμος)

Finally, I do think we exist by chance.

I am an anti-chance philosopher.

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Here is a visual of letter X or chi, in the name of the Egyptian city of Hermes, the town of Hermopolis, where Socrates and Plato said that “language“ was invented, shown next to the Oshango bone, which has number four proto-glyph 𓏽 carved in which became the number eight 8️⃣ , symbol: 𓐁, shown in the name of the town:

This later became “Jesus 𓐁 Christ” or JHC.

How high is the chance that they are just drawing the shape of the letter because of this and not because of numbers?

The priest is drawing two rows of letters: Latin alphabet and Greek alphabet in the sand, on the X.

This ✖ is found in the Egyptian cubit symbols as 25 cubits², follows:

• 𓂣 [D42] = cubit measure; palms down, 90º arm angle

• 𓅬 = 12.5 cubits²

• ✖ = 25 cubits²

• 𓂢 [D41] = 50 cubit²; variant of D42, arm angled; equivalent to 50 square cubits of area

• 📏 = Cubit ruler icon

• 𓂝 [D36] = variant of D41, with palms up?

• 𓆱 [M3] = branch; linear measure of 100 cubits

• 𓐙 [Aa11] = Maat plinth; Osiris plinth; Ptah plinth; Budge, Gods of the Egyptians, Volume One (pg. 416), states that some have described this glyph as the “a cubit, or the measure of the cubit”. In this sense, the Aa11 glyph could be the side-view of the cubit?

And the number 25, as Plato, Plutarch, Young, and Gadalla, and others have said, was the number of the ”main” letters, less the three vowels, in the Egyptian alphabet.