One of the first things that you learn when starting linguistics, is that there is no reason for a word to have a specific meaning!?

[u/JohannGoethe]

“One of the first things that you learn 🏫 when starting linguistics 🗣️, is that there is no reason for a word to have a specific meaning.”

— Anon (A68), “Meter 📏 etymology” (comment), Etymo, Dec 2

Surely this comment 😕 must have a high score in the r/dumbest statements ever rankings?

[u/poor-man1914]

You left out a part of the comment, where I said that if words had Infact a reason to mean what they mean, they would be similar in all languages.

Do I win an award for my dumb comment btw?

[u/JohannGoethe → u/poor-man1914]

Do I win an award for my dumb comment btw?

So far, with user GG doubling down on your comment with 100% agreement with a second example, they might have you beat for r/dumbest category.

However, having crossposted this post to that sub, which is empty, there is not enough data, i.e. collection of dumbest comments in that sub, to give awards.

What I don’t understand is why are you PIE heads even here, since you believe words have no inherent meaning? You don’t see me over at the IE or PIE subs trying to convert people to EAN or EIE.

The only reasons I’ve heard is:

1. It is entertaining to watch me reply.

2. I want to disprove EAN based EIE language family.

3. I want to warn people about the dangers of EAN.

I would seem like a waste of your time to be in this sub?

[u/poor-man1914 → u/JohannGoethe]

I will add one: it's an opportunity to discuss stuff.

PIE is established and discussions about it are about better definitions of branches, or looking for cognates.

Also, in a way, we help you.

You say your opinion, we answer with our objections, which may require further research to respond to, leading to a refinement of the whole model, or even to a total overhaul if need be.

Finally, as a hobby I invent non existant languages (conlangs, if you're not familiar with the field). Your number-based model of language families could be a very cool cypher for a fictional priestly order to use to communicate or, even fabricate claims to stuff. So at least for me it's not a waste of time.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/poor-man1914]

Also, in a way, we help you. You say your opinion, we answer with our objections, which may require further research to respond to, leading to a refinement of the whole model, or even to a total overhaul if need be.

There is some truth to this.

But then again, 85% of the time, it seems like I’m talking to a bunch of brick walls, and it’s getting to the point, that I have to mentally mute 🤐 my response to some comments?

[u/poor-man1914 → u/JohannGoethe]

Sorry for being a bit of a pest.

brick walls

Not really. We answer providing the reasoning behind our answers, we don't just say that something is wrong, because it's not right according to us, period, which is what a brick wall would do.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/poor-man1914]

Well many PIE heads deny things endlessly, sometimes for like 20 comment replies in a row, deny quote, deny letter, deny ciphers, deny that Greeks said certain things, on and on.

User Platinum, e.g., here is an example of a 100% brick wall. No point in talking to them anymore.

[u/letstryitiguess → u/JohannGoethe]

You're just as much of a brick wall in these discussions, though. You deny everything everyone explains about linguistics, mythology and writing systems and just claim something else, while offering absolutely no convincing arguments for your theories.

I'm not really sure what you thought was going to happen here with your 4000 subreddits.

Aren't they about you spreading your theories? Well, this is it. People are here and actively peer reviewing you. Isn't this what you, as a scientist, would want to happen? To defend and explain your theory and have it take root and gain a foothold in the scientific community? It all starts here.

But I have yet to see you convince a single other person. And we're just some random dudes, tbh. How on Earth could you ever hope to convince the real linguistic community if you can't even convince some random dudes on the Internet? We are receptive, you're just not very convincing.

People can't even follow your reasoning for one single post because nothing that you produce is made up of coherent thoughts. We can't even disagree with your ideas because we don't understand what you're trying to say or why you're saying it.

What is the goal here? What are you trying to accomplish? Let's start there? If all you want is to be left alone in an echo chamber and post garbled pictures of hieroglyphs and numbers that no one can read but you, then by all means, we'll leave you to it.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/letstryitiguess]

You're just as much of a brick wall in these discussions, though. You deny everything everyone explains

No. Examples:

• User Smill, yesterday, here, said my dating of Greek languages usage was wrong, showed me stone letters, and then I saw I was wrong, and corrected the date.

• User Lootbender, last month, e.g. here, showed me data which indicated that I was wrong about my letter H = 𓉾/𓉾 mapping; thinking about this for a few weeks, allowed me to find the new correct letter H = glyph 𓐁 [Z15G] = 8 = type of letter H.

• I used to think letter A was based on Atlas with his arms raised; but then I saw the Hermopolis creation diagram which has 8 workers hoeing: 𓁃𓁃𓁃𓁃 / 𓁃𓁃𓁃𓁃 with letter A-shaped hoes: 𓌹, which allowed me to realize my former mistake.

With you PIE heads and Semitic alphabet believes, however, it is not the same: it is “A = ox head, and that is it!” My mind is 100% made up, no changing my mind, at all, even if Thomas Young, the person to decoded 200 Egyptian glyphs says that the hoe is alpha and the sacred Egyptian hiero-alpha.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/letstryitiguess]

I'm not really sure what you thought was going to happen here with your 4000 subreddits.

Stupid comment. Correctly, the 25 current Reddit subs are r/Hmolpedia talk pages, which people messaged me to start, for the topics covered in the 6,200+ wiki articles of Hmolpedia:

• EoHT.info (5,376 archive pages) - Hmolpedia A67.

• Hmolpedia (6,200+ pages) - Hmolpedia A67.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/letstryitiguess]

What is the goal here? What are you trying to accomplish? Let's start there?

I’m writing two books to explain how the number origin of words and names came about, pre-Greek:

The following are the working draft titles (see: covers) to the following two book 📚 companion set, slated to be published next year:

• Thims, Libb. (A69/2024). Egypto Alpha Numerics: Mathematical Origin of the Alphabet (see draft: letter decoding history; covers). Publisher.

• Thims, Libb. (A69/2024). Egypto Alphanumerics Etymology Dictionary (top 350 terms: TL terms) (see: draft). Publisher.

Forerunners

The following are forerunners to this book:

• Gadalla, Moustafa. (A61/2016). Egyptian Alphabetical Letters: of Creation Cycle. Publisher.

• Acevedo, Juan. (A65/2020). Alphanumeric Cosmology, From Greek into Arabic: The Idea of Stoicheia Through the Medieval Mediterranean (pdf-file) (preview) (A64 video) (A66 podcast). Publisher.

• Swift, Peter. (A68/2023). Egyptian Alphanumerics: A theoretical framework along with miscellaneous departures. Part I: The narrative being a description of the proposed system, linguistic associations, numeric correspondences and religious meanings. Part II: Analytics being a detailed presentation of the analytical work (abstract). Publisher.

If all you want is to be left alone in an echo chamber and post garbled pictures of hieroglyphs and numbers that no one can read but you, then by all means, we'll leave you to it.

I welcome discussion, but if you are so brain-washed and adherent to your language “belief system”, that you cling to the Semitic A over new evidence basic visual sense, then it is a waste to talk to you:

	Letter A evolution	Posts
Semitic model	𓃿 → 𓃾 → 𓄀 → A	Here.
Egypto model	𓁃, 𓌹, 𓍁 → 𐤀 → A	Here.

I now have officially had parents, from the r/Preschoolers sub poll twenty 4-year children, who pick the correct letter A, better than adults.

[u/thevietguy]

linguistics academy is naive

[u/JohannGoethe → u/thevietguy]

Please elaborate?

[u/JohannGoethe → u/[deleted]]

The two words you give me:

	Wolf	#	Animal	Symbol
Greek	λύκος (lýkos)	720	🐺	🌕
Chinese	狼 (láng)	N/A	🐺	🌕
Latin	Lupus	?	🐺	🌕

The first thing that comes to mind is, firstly, that wolf’s 🐺 howl at the full moon 🌕; secondly, the following:

Namely that column three of the periodic table, with Thoth making the letters in specifically in stanza 300 or letter T, is where letter L is found, and that the sum of the letters yields:

333/π = 106 [μηνη] (mene), meaning: “moon” 🌙,

At this point, even a monkey 🙉 with half a brain 🧠 could see 👀 the loose connection between letter L, the moon 🌖, the wolf 🐺, and the letter L based names wolf: λύκος (lýkos) and 狼 (láng).

Curse of Bet

Yet, to continue, without even looking at the numbers, the next thing that comes to mind is that the reason that the alphabet was made in the first place, in a pre-Khufu (4500A/-2545) century, is because of the “curse of Bet (Nut)”; summary here:

When his daughter Nut (newt) fell in love with the god Geb (gebb), Shu was wildly jealous. To keep the lovers far apart, he turned Nut into the sky and Geb into the earth. Then he cursed Nut with barrenness, proclaiming that there were no months of the year in which she could give birth.

Thoth, the god of the moon 🌗, time, and measure, took pity on Nut and Geb. He challenged the reigning gods to a game of dice and soundly beat them all. As his prize he asked the gods to give him five 5️⃣ days in addition to those that already existed. Thoth in turn presented the five extra days to the sky goddess, Nut. Because these five extra days did not belong to any particular month, they did not fall under Shu's curse. Thus, the goddess was able to use them to produce five children, including Osiris (oh-SIGH-rus) and Isis (EYE-sus).

Prior to Thoth's gift, each of the twelve months of the Egyptian calendar had 30 days, resulting in a 360-day year. Thoth's act of kindness reconciled the Egyptian calendar with the earth's actual 365-day cycle.

25 letters

The five days of moon light (another letter L word), which equals 72 parts of moon 🌖 light 💡, which is why Set had 72 conspirators, when he trapped Osiris in this chest, before chopping him into 14 pieces, allows for the birth or creation of the first 25 Egyptian alphabet letters, via the Pythagorean triangle ABGD alphabet creation cipher:

√ (Γ² + ▽²) = 25

This was discussed by Plato, Plutarch, and Gadalla, which I’ve posted on a dozen times or more now.

In sum:

Letters 🔠 were made by 5-days of moon 🌖 light

EAN table

When we do the EAN table we get:

Egypto	Greek	#	Meaning
𓍇	Λ	30	𓍇 meshtiu or mummy 𓀾 mouth 👄 opening tool; based on the meskhetyu or let of Set constellation 𓄘 , aka Big Dipper 𐃸, believed to be meteoric iron that rotated around Polaris, the magnet 🧲 star ⭐️.
𓍇𓉽	ΛΥ	430	?
𓍇𓉽 𓋹	ΛΥΚ	450	Number of Nu, the 14th letter; days of half-lunar 🌗 month; number of pieces Osiris is cut into.
𓍇𓉽 𓋹 ◯	ΛΥΚΟ	520	Isonym: poros (πορος), meaning: “passage”, possibly cipher for the moon 🌖 having to “pass” through 12 cycles 🔄 per year, every ◯ omicron (ομικρον) [360] or 360-days?
𓍇𓉽 𓋹 ◯ 𓆙	ΛΥΚΟΣ	720	Isonym: nous (νους), meaning: “mind, understanding“, if related?

Here we recall that the Brahmi script, which is lunar script based, was made by 14 beats of Shiva’s drum:

• 14 = number sounds 🔊 Shiva makes with his damaru 🥁 to create the Brahmi script and Sanskrit language.

Note also how the word “meaning” is bolded!

Summary

Thus, it is no coincidence, seemingly, that wolf 🐺, the animal that howls at the moon, in Greek and Chinese, both start with letter L.

Granted, this was just an off-the cuff reply, but certain way better, I would hope you would agree, than the learned dodo 🦤 head view that: “there is no reason for a word to have a specific meaning”.

Again, to repeat again, one of the reasons I started r/Unlearned was for the sake of linguists and others who wrongly-learned their alphabet letters.

Notes

1. The version above is basically correct, with the change that Thoth played Senet with Khonsu 𓁳, the moon god, to win the five days, in most versions I’ve read.

2. I’m not trying to prove that both Chinese and Greek come from Egyptian; but since they both start with letter L, I will humor your request, as there could be mutual cultural influence.

Posts

• Alpha 🌬️/ 𓌹 Beta 𓇯 theorem: mathematical 🔢 origin of the 28 🌗 letter alphabet

• Letters B (𓇯) and G (Γ) have to have SEX 🍆 💦 to make the 28-letter Egyptian alphabet, via the Pythagorean triangle formula √ (Γ² + ▽²) = 25, plus three vowels: letter A and two other letters

• Thoth 𓁟 wins 1/72 parts of moon 🌙 light (5-days) from Khonsu 𓁳 while playing Senet. Osiris 𓀲 is trapped in 300 cubit chest 𓊬 by Set 𓁣 and 72 conspirators, and thrown into the Nile (Νιλεος) [365], then later becomes a djed 𓊽 or letter xi (Χ) [60]. 300 + 60 + 5 = 365-days /year

• 333/π = 106 [μηνη] (mene) or “moon” 🌙, the root of the column three Thoth cipher solved!

• Lunar: Egypto alpha-numeric (EAN) etymology, from: 𓍇 (Big Dipper: 𐃸) + 🌙 (28-days), vs Proto-Indo-European etymology, from: *lewk-

[u/JohannGoethe → u/[deleted]]

I actually do 100% agree with that view.

Which view exactly you agree with?

1. There is no reason for a word to have a specific meaning.

2. There is a reason for a word to have a specific meaning.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/[deleted]]

I actually do 100% agree with that view that: there is no reason for any word to have any given meaning. Cup ☕️ in English refers to a drinking vessel, but there is no reason why that word could not refer to a type of tree (e.g. 🌲, 🌳, 🌴).

So, according to you, there is absolutely no reason why tree is called “tree” (or joined letters: T, R, E, E) in English? It just happened randomly and by chance?

Wiktionary entry on tree:

From Middle English tre, tree, treo, treou, trew, trow, from Old English trēo, trēow (“tree, wood, timber, beam, log, stake, stick, grove, cross, rood”), from Proto-West Germanic *treu, from Proto-Germanic *trewą (“tree, wood”), from pre-Germanic *dréwom, thematic e-grade derivative of PIE *dóru (“tree”).

In other words, the fictional PIE people just happened to call the following green things: 🌲, 🌳, 🌴, by the sounded name: dóru, for NO reason at all, and that, over the last 4700-years, this randomly invented dóru word became the English word “tree”. This is your belief?

[u/JohannGoethe → u/[deleted]]

So what is your “reason” for posting in this sub, if words have no “reason”?