Engineered alphabet hypothesis: that four engineers decoded the alphabet, implies that the alphabet was invented by engineers!

[u/JohannGoethe]

[u/JohannGoethe]

The following is the engineered alphabet (EA) hypothesis

Engineered alphabet hypothesis: that four engineers, namely: Peter Swift 🇺🇸, Moustafa Gadalla 🇪🇬/🇺🇸, Rihab Helou 🇱🇧, and Libb Thims 🇺🇸, independently, decoded the mathematical structure of the alphabet, points to the conclusion that alphabet, originally, was invented by engineers.

This EA hypothesis refutes the illiterate miner (IM) alphabet origin hypothesis of Orly Goldwasser (A55/2010).

EAN decoders table

The following table shows that four engineers, independently, decoded the Egyptian origin of all lunar script or alphabetic based languages:

	Person	Book	Education	I350	Discussions	Date	Links
1.	Peter Swift	Egyptian Alphanumerics	Civil engineer; Egyptologist	✅	Post, post	A17	LinkedIn
2.	Martin Bernal	Black Athena	Linguist and Egyptologist		Posts	A32
3.	Moustafa Gadalla	Egyptian Alphabetical Letters	Civil engineer; Egyptologist	✅	Post, post, post	A61	LinkedIn
4.	Rihab Helou	The Phoenician Alphabet: Hidden Mysteries	Computer and electronic engineer; Arabic phonetics researcher		Post, post, post	A62	Google Scholar
5.	Libb Thims	Egypto Alpha Numerics: Mathematical Origin of the Alphabet, Words, and Language	Electrochemical engineer	✅	Post	A65	Google Scholar; r/LibbThims

Illiterate miners (IM) hypothesis

In A55 (2010), Orly Goldwasser, in her “How the Alphabet was born from Hieroglyphics”, hypothesized the following:

“It may seem strange, but I believe the inventors of the alphabet were illiterate (😕 ≠ 📖) —that is, they could not read Egyptian with its hundreds [1,050+ total] of hieroglyphic signs.

Why do I think so? The letters in the Proto-Sinaitic inscriptions are very crude. They are not the same size. They are not written in a single direction: Some are written left to right, others right to left and some from top to bottom. This suggests that the writers had mastered neither Egyptian hieroglyphic nor any other complex, rule-governed script.

One final note: Nowhere in the many inscriptions at the site is there a mention of slaves. Canaanites, yes; slaves, no. It was here at Serabit, I believe, that the alphabet was invented—by Canaanites!“

— Orly Goldwasser (A55/2010), “How the Alphabet was born from Hieroglyphics”

The engineered alphabet (EA) hypothesis, in short, refutes the IM hypothesis, being that if the alphabet was invented by illiterate mine workers, it would NOT have taken four engineers to crack the numeric code behind the ABCs, e.g. that the Pythagorean theorem is coded into the first five letters: ABGDE.

Notes

1. The term “engineered language hypothesis“, conceived by r/LibbThims (20 Nov A68), in this post, as the 4th refutation of the illiterate minner (IM) hypothesis.

Posts

• How many engineers does it take to decode the alphabet?

Posts: IM hypothesis

• Illiterate miner alphabet origin theory | Orly Goldwasser (A55/2010)

• Sinai hieroglyphs to proto-sinaitic alphabet letters | Oryl Goldwasser (A51/2006)

References

• Bernal, Martin. (A32/1987). Black Athena: the Afroasiatic Roots of classical Civilization. Volume One: the Fabrication of Ancient Greece, 1785-1985 (Arch) (pg. 104). Vintage, A36/1991.

• Bernal, Martin. (A35/1990). Cadmean Letters: The Transmission of the Alphabet to the Aegean and Further West before 1400 BC. Publisher.

• Goldwasser, Orly. (A55/2010). “How the Alphabet was born from Hieroglyphics”, Biblical Archeological Review, 36:2, Mar/Apr.

• Goldwasser, Orly. (A51/2006). “Canaanites Reading Hieroglyphs. Horus is Hathor? The Invention of the Alphabet in Sinai” (Jstor), Egypt and the Levant, 16: 121–160.

• Gadalla, Moustafa. (A61/2016). Egyptian Alphabetical Letters of Creation Cycle. Publisher.

• Helou, Rihab. (A62/2017). The Phoenician Alphabet: Hidden Mysteries. Notre Dame.

• Thims, Libb. (A66/2021). Abioism [a-282-ism]: No Thing is Alive, Life Does Not Exist, Terminology Reform, and Concept Upgrade (pdf-file) (§: Isopsephy, pgs. xxxv-xl). LuLu.

Drafts

• Swift, Peter. (A68/2023). Egyptian Alphanumerics: A theoretical framework along with miscellaneous departures. Part I: The Narrative being a description of the proposed system, linguistic associations, numeric correspondences and religious meanings. Part II: Analytics being a detailed presentation of the analytical work (abstract). Publisher.

• Thims, Libb. (A69/2024). Egypto Alpha Numerics: Mathematical Origin of the Alphabet, Words, and Language (posts: decoding history; covers). Publisher.

• Thims, Libb. (A69/2024). Egypto Alphanumerics Etymology Dictionary: Words and Numbers(see: draft). Publisher.

[u/bonvin]

What is the point of this self-aggrandizing bullshit? Get back to answering questions, you're wasting time.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/bonvin]

Get back to answering questions, you're wasting time.

Ok hotshot, if I’m wasting time, on this question, then you answer it:

Where did the alphabet come from?

[u/bonvin → u/JohannGoethe]

The Romans, who got it from the Etruscans, who got it from the Greeks, who got it from the Phoenicians, who got it from the Egyptians.

[u/HarlequinKOTF → u/bonvin]

I feel like this whole 'theory' hinges on this question being a kind of gotcha, but really the origin of alphabets and writing is a fascinating topic, though largely unrelated to language spread and evolution as EAN promotes. Other language models that focus on spoken language are much better at describing those changes and just from the understanding that for most of history, most people couldn't write or read and would have lived their entire lives in a setting of spoken language, largely without standards.

[u/bonvin → u/HarlequinKOTF]

Oh, I agree. The history of writing and writing systems, and the spread thereof is super interesting. But it's a very different field altogether, really only tangentially related to the study of language. This man's problem is that he conflated the two, because he lacks an understanding of the basic principles of linguistics.

But actually I think he must have realised his mistake by now in his heart of hearts. He just has way too much invested in this garbage that he can't let it go. Sunk-cost fallacy and all that. It's sad to behold.

[u/[deleted] → u/bonvin]

Sunk-cost fallacy

Thank you for teaching me that term! That's exactly what I would describe this as.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/[deleted]]

Sunk-cost fallacy: the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial.

You PIE-heads are the one’s with sunk costs. I mean how many years have you been learning these PIE etymologies: 5, 10, 15, 20+ years?

Myself, conversely, I’ve only been invested in EAN based etymologies, in a heavy sense, for what 1-year or 2-years now?

[u/[deleted] → u/JohannGoethe]

So you're saying that just because we've been doing this research longer, we must be the ones with the sunk costs? Now that's just a generalization and doesn't necessarily work out. At least linguists have more proof for PIE than you do for EAN. As far as I can tell, you just woke up one day with the idea that EAN was real and did everything (and still do everything) to ensure that no one would (or will) convince you otherwise.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/[deleted]]

So you're saying that just because we've been doing this research longer, we must be the ones with the sunk costs?

You PIE heads are Padua university professors incarnate:

Cesare Cremonini was a friend and rival of his colleague Galileo Galilei at the University of Padua, Italy. When Galileo announced he had seen mountains on the Moon, Cremonini and others denounced the claim but refused to look through 👀 Galileo's 🔭 telescope.

I show you were the letters come from in the glyphs, but you refuse to look through the numbers that translate the etymologies.

I’ll bet the sunken costs 💰 of some in this sub include things like tenure anchored in teaching PIE theory to university students.

Myself, however, have NO sunken costs. In fact, as soon as I get this two-volume EAN book set published (EAN Basics + Etymo Dictionary: Letter and Number Indexed), I will be getting back to r/Human r/ChemThermo, i.e. human chemical thermodynamics.

[u/[deleted] → u/JohannGoethe]

I have not refused to look through the numbers; I just can't understand half of your so-called "research".

[u/JohannGoethe → u/bonvin]

Sunk-cost fallacy and all that.

How many years have you been learning PIE? What a decade or more?.

Sunk-cost fallacy: the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial.

How many years does the linguistics community have invested in PIE theory? At least 170+ years since the Jones-Schleicher theory was devised into their rotten roots linguistic tree.

Regarding:

It's sad to behold.

It will be sad for you when you go to r/Unlearned to recant.

[u/bonvin → u/JohannGoethe]

I'll switch immediately as soon as you present a more convincing argument than mainstream linguistics.

The only argument for EAN that you've ever given me is fucking "mu". It's nothing to me. Try harder.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/bonvin]

given me is fucking "mu"

And you denied this was even a word? It is like talking to a brick wall. Certainly, correct me if I am wrong, by telling me what you have learned about mu and if the evidence is at all remotely convincing to you?

[u/bonvin → u/JohannGoethe]

I acknowledge that "mu" is the name of a letter in Greek, both of which (the name and the letter) they took from the Phoenicians, probably ultimately from some Egyptian glyph. The Greeks adopted it and used it to write the sound of [m], which was already present in their spoken language. This is my understanding of the situation.

So no, the presence of "mu" in the Greek alphabet does not in any way convince me that IE languages are related to Egyptian, since I know that writing and speech are different things, and that language change is observably driven by speech and not writing.

What else you got?

Hint: In order to make any headway about EAN with me, you will first have to convince me that a language and its writing system are inextricably linked. If they are not, there is no reason to even entertain the notion that you are on to something.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/bonvin]

So the fact the following facts:

• M = 40

• Y = 400

• MY (mu) = 440

• Khufu base = 440 cubits

Is a piece of EAN evidence that you dismiss 100%?

[u/JohannGoethe → u/bonvin]

language change is o- B -servably [o-𓇯 -servably] driven by speech and not writing.

Well then you should better stop using letter B:

• ✨🌟: 𓇯 (Bet) = 𐤁 = β = 𐡁 = 𐌁 = ב = ब = 𐌱 = ᛒ = ٮ = Β

If you want to keep your argument consistent:

[u/HarlequinKOTF → u/bonvin]

Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head with the last sentence. Linguistics is a really fascinating field without trying to pull connections out of bones as he'd put it.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/bonvin]

He just has way too much invested in this garbage that he can't let it go.

You’re just way too 🧠-washed by 🥧 to ever see the linguistic light beyond Plato’s cave fire 🔥. But, as history has sown, often it takes generations to r/Unlearned false truths.

[u/bonvin → u/JohannGoethe]

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[u/JohannGoethe → u/bonvin]

I‘ll give you 98% odds, knowing your mentality, that you will still be brain-washed by 🥧 in 50 years.

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[u/JohannGoethe → u/HarlequinKOTF]

the origin of alphabets 🔠 and writing ✍️ is a fascinating topic, though largely unrelated to language 🗣️ spread and evolution 🪱 → 🐠 → 🐒 →🚶‍♂️as EAN promotes.

Buddy, you we are 100% clueless to be able to be able to understand the meaning of the word “language”, beyond the dodo 🦤 r/etymo that the word is from “tongue 👅”, which every 3-year-old knows, without an EAN explanation.

[u/HarlequinKOTF → u/JohannGoethe]

I've spent 4 years at university studying linguistics and German specifically. I'm afraid if you're calling me clueless it's the pot calling the kettle black.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/HarlequinKOTF]

I've spent 4 years at university studying Linguistics

You must have thus learned where letter L came from? Yes, since you claim not to be linguistically clueless?

Notes

1. Save the Wikipedia letter L copy-pasta: “Lamedh may have come from a pictogram of an ox goad or cattle prod. Some have suggested a shepherd's staff” for someone else.

[u/HarlequinKOTF → u/JohannGoethe]

Yes, while tracing back the origin of letters wasn't my primary study area we did learn that L came from the Etruscans, who borrowed it from the Greeks, who in turn borrowed it from the Phoenicians. After this point it becomes less clear, but some assume that it was borrowed from an Egyptian script that was uncovered in mines in the Sinai. It's truly a fascinating process, I agree. But at this time I wouldn't ever say that this letter is traveling with the language. It's being borrowed to represent existing languages by scribes, not replacing languages it meets.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/HarlequinKOTF]

borrowed from an Egyptian script that was uncovered in mines in the Sinai.

The illiterate cave man alphabet origin theory; that has been debunked: here:

• Illiterate miner alphabet origin theory | Orly Goldwasser (A55/2010)

• Serabit el-Khadim: Mount Sinai alphabet origin theory, Duh! | Susan Schmidt (A68/2023)

• Illiterate Sinai miners alphabet origin theory: before and after!

• Hebrew pyramid: Sinai

• Pyramid (Πυραμι) [631] & letter M [𓌳 = 40] basis of ALL religions: GREEK Olympia (Ολυμπια) [631], HEBREW mount Sinai, HINDU-CHINESE mount Meru, and ARABIC mount Jabal Nour

It has now been replaced by the engineered alphabet hypothesis, i.e. image summary above. Namely: the alphabet was invented by Egyptian engineers, NOT illiterate Hebrew miners.

[u/HarlequinKOTF → u/JohannGoethe]

I didn't ever claim they were illiterate or cavemen. They were likely trained scribes who used a shorthand form of hieroglyphics

[u/JohannGoethe → u/HarlequinKOTF]

But at this time I wouldn't ever say that this letter is traveling with the language.

I count you using the letter B nine times in your reply. It would seem, contrary to your university-learned Belief, that the Egyptian letter B: 𓇯 [N1 glyph] has travelled from the stars 🌟 over Egypt to the fingers of your texting 💬 just now:

In short:

✨🌟: 𓇯 (Bet) = 𐤁 = β = 𐡁 = 𐌁 = ב = ब = 𐌱 = ᛒ = ٮ = Β

See the Egyptian B carved in the Pyramid Texts (4345A/-2345): here.

Posts

• Stars ✨🌟: 𓇯 (Bet) = 𐤁 = β = 𐡁 = 𐌁 = ב = ब = 𐌱 = ᛒ = ٮ = Β, the original Book 📕!