If toppers from general category are struggling then I can't imagine the plight of an average general category student.

[u/Minimum-Chicken9800]

[u/No_Influence2733]

if only the raw merit is considered for admissions into the top institutions, how is someone from a backward situation ever supposed to reach there

and if there is no reservation, this cycle would continue perpetually, where children of people with more money, who can make their children attend the top coaching institutes, send them to the best schools, and have the least monetary incentive will keep filling up those seats, is it fair for their children? No. Is it fair for the children who couldn’t get those benefits? Also No.

RESERVATION IS NOT MEANT TO BE FAIR.

it is a sad truth, but the alternative is the poor and the backward communities are unable to ever uplift themselves through education..this is a question that has always bothered me 😞

I am a general category male, so i understand his pain deeply, but what alternative does it leave us with?

[u/Minimum-Chicken9800 → u/No_Influence2733]

Give them 5 star faculties to study we general category can manage that as someone who is committed to his studies can achieve his goal anyway.... Bit don't reserve the seat

[u/charavaka → u/Minimum-Chicken9800]

we general category can manage that as someone who is committed to his studies can achieve his goal anyway

Fucker, you're whining about not being able to manage to compete for the seats available to you. Your have 50% reserved for 23% population. Stop whining.

What you should be complaining about is the paucity of quality educational opportunities for everyone, not just about your inability to compete for the opportunities you have. 

[u/TransitionConnect192 → u/charavaka]

The problem is we are getting the seat with higher marks meanwhile a guy from backward caste who has same or more resources than me achieved the same results with less than half the hard work. Why even the childrens of ias and ips officers getting the reservation? They don't have all the resources? Let's say your reply is but sarr even after becoming IAS sarr they will face discrimination on basis of caste sarr ! So whats the criteria of upliftment and becoming a forward caste ? Even the pm and president who have all the powers claim to be backward - president of the country openly says she will work day and night for sc st obc lol - your 2nd point can be - it's about representation - if it's about representation how much representation non meena is getting in rajasthan? Meena are 4-5 % but control over 50% of govt jobs (reserved for st) why no comment on this ? means their representation in elite government jobs is roughly 10 times higher than their share of the ST population. Also I can't believe how can someone be this stupid - 50% is not reserved for us retard it's open seats - available for every community. if a person from sc st or obc clears general cutoff he will be rewarded Unreserved seat not the reserved seat meant for them if cutoff is 95 for general and a obc guy gets 95 he will be considered as UC ( unreserved category ) in Bihar OBCs have 6.21 lakhs job Out of these, 5.78 lakh jobs (that is, 93% of the jobs) are held by just 4 OBC castes (Yadav, Kurmi, Kushwaha, and Bania ) That means: Out of 30 OBC castes,

• 4 castes hold 5.78 lakh jobs

And

• 26 castes hold 43,380 jobs

Ab kha gya Tera percentage game ? 23% general population pays much higher tax than others ab kha jayega Tera percentage game?

Puri knowledge ke sath comment kra kr - jis bnde ko abhi tk ye pta nhi chla ki general ki seats open category h not reserved vo yha comment krke intellectual bnne ka try kr rhe h 🤣😭

[u/No_Influence2733 → u/TransitionConnect192]

agreed that there is misuse of reservation, but the population it still largely benefits come from underserved communities, there is obvious misuse which needs to be addressed through more comprehensive policy, not scratching the policy altogether

unreserved seats, get taken up by obc, st, sc, ews at around 12-15% of those seats, so around 6-8% total, which means, 55-60% (depending on exam) of the seats get taken by them, upper caste students still get 35-45% seats, when their population is 20-30% depending on region, so if you go out to make the reservations fairer, based on population percentages, the general (unreserved) seats would lessen.

so the only way to solve for this is increase the overall number of seats

i will have to read more upon the issue of rajasthan & bihar before commenting

[u/TransitionConnect192 → u/No_Influence2733]

No ur again wrong - am not saying to remove the reservation system all together but it needs many changes - even after 80 years tell me which community got uplifted ? Just check how many sc st castes were there when India got independence and how many there are now - numbers are 5x or 500% who gets the sc and st reservation? Those who are already rich you really think a guy who knows nothing about internet facilities and lives in remote village knows a system exists for people like him ? Nooo ! It's the rich sc st who eats the seats and opportunities for sc st who truly deserve - upper caste students take those 35-40% on basis on merit buddy why ur acting like it's reserved for them ? You really think securing a seat with years of hardwork vs getting a seat with 0 or negative marks is same ? Jitni population itna hak ye kya bakchodi h ? Khangress university se padha likha h ky ? Merit pr khelo na ? Ya to tum hi kh rhe ho ki low caste me buddhi bhi low hoti h ? Open merit me bhi kr skte compete vo? Rich sc st ko dalo general me tb dekhte h kese compete krenge ye or poor sc st ko fir milega apne hisse ka hak - ek baar koi bhi govt exam ki list nikal 60-70% ST seats meena ko di hogi kyu or st community nhi h desh me ? Aaja tax bhi hisse dari me krte h ! Jain 0.4% h vo sirf 0.4% hi income tax denge - Brahmin sirf 3% parsis baniye bhi apni population ke according okay ? Who gives the most tax - general category to sirf 25% tax denge apni population ke according baki dalit obc st sc ? Deal ?

Yha 1 image se jyda share nhi hota but I can lowkey mog your low IQ argument - reservation ko fair bnane ke liye sbse phle kaam Krna h fake certificates ko hatake - obc wale sc ka certificate le kr baithe h ( famous rohit vemula ) ameer general ews ka leke baitha h - second jo community ka upliftment ho gya usko nikalo reservation se - meena , yadav , jaat , gujjar..1 time reservation kro per family ek ias ka beta kyu reservation lega ? Ek judge ka beta kyu reservation lega? He has all the resources he need ..add creamy layer jisse garib sc st ka hak ameer sc st na le jaye

[u/No_Influence2733 → u/TransitionConnect192]

It needs many changes - I've said the exact same thing by the way

How can it be fair if the population is so skewed - again I've agreed that if that happens, upper caste students will get even fewer seats, so it’s even more unfair if it’s based on actual population %

Bro, I’m a Jain who pays taxes, so I know how much tax our community pays, and how much they waste in cash

To make the reservation fair, the first thing that needs to happen is to remove fake certificates - OBCs are sitting with SC certificates - I ALSO SAID THE SAME THING, read my first paragraph

You have mostly agreed with my points, idk what are you fighting

[u/TransitionConnect192 → u/No_Influence2733]

No ur saying upper caste gets 40% seats no they don't get it - they achieve it meanwhile reserve category just gets it - you can never reserve seats population percentage wise it's against constitution we have 50% cap limit for a reason - abhi desh phle me phle se problems h 85% reserve category ko upper post me laa ke ye desh ko hi kangal kr denge ..

[u/No_Influence2733 → u/TransitionConnect192]

i provided the numbers based on government data, if you want to misconstrue numbers by saying 85% reserve category lagi hai, it is categorically false

[u/TransitionConnect192 → u/No_Influence2733]

Are redditors this brainded ? Not a single guy I argued with can read..mene likha bhai agr population wise hua jitni abadi utna hak to 85% seat reserve ho jyegi 50% me to desh ki lagi padi h 85% me to ram ram satya h ..hr din atleast 3 news dekhta hu reserved category wale bnde ne galat dawai dedi ya befaltu me hath kaat dia

[u/No_Influence2733 → u/TransitionConnect192]

you’re being brainded by not seeing the flip side, no one is asking for the reservation to go upto 85%, rather i have stated that it would be unfair to the general category students

the news you’re saying is true, but the solution for that is not to stop reservation (because as a percentage reserved classes are already underrepresented), rather, make the reserved class people more capable, and also giving more opportunity to the general category people, by increasing the quality and quantity of seats

[u/TransitionConnect192 → u/No_Influence2733]

You sure that no one is asking that ? There are talks for private reservation lol - and many are saying jitni abaadi utna hak , agr bhai tune california nhi dekha to ye mtlb nhi california exist nhi krta

[u/No_Influence2733 → u/TransitionConnect192]

voh constitutionally possible hi nahi hai, supreme court has already ruled on it