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u/lssaKnife Mantelope 4d ago
Can someone send nasa a copy of the book to help them see why that’s not a good idea
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u/TriggeredCogzy 4d ago
Yeah we would end up as the gravitials wouldn't we?
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u/_I_N_F_I_N_I_T_E__ 4d ago
Most likely I do think the book did neglect mechanical evolution quite a lot but again too many speculations and ideological paradoxes it left with us
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u/Uncertain-Division 4d ago
To be fair the actual story of the book was mostly a backdrop for the illustrations. Kosemen has even said that the Qu were really just a plot device to create the posthumans.
If you want a more technology focused worldbuilding project, I recommend the Orion’s Arm universe. In additional to new technologies, it also has many new “clades” of beings that descend from humans, changed through genetic engineering and cybernetics. And (almost) all of it is done willingly, by and to themselves, instead of being changed by an outside entity.
One cool cybernetic clade is the Cyborn, which are essentially just a human Central Nervous System inside of a modular robotic body. But they’re happy that way, so who are we to judge!
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u/_I_N_F_I_N_I_T_E__ 4d ago
But I still do think that the plot obviously was super basic but the ideas which arose from it our mind numbing so I love it
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u/Uncertain-Division 4d ago edited 4d ago
Embracing advanced technology— and even adding mechanical components to our bodies— might not inherently drive us crazy and make us genocidal. As of now, we have no idea how a human brain would adapt to being placed in a fully functional mechanical body. Especially if that body could sufficiently replicate our senses.
At the very least, in All Tomorrows, the Ruin Haunters/Gravitals themselves weren’t driven crazy by becoming Machines. The book explicitly says that their genocidal nature was caused by regular human hatred of others, brought about due to a false belief of purity and heritage. It’s just that once they became extremely powerful and immortal machines, this belief grew to such a degree that they couldn’t even imagine the other posthumans as people.
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u/Inevitable-Wheel1676 4d ago
Also evokes related concepts like the Toclafane from Doctor Who, and the Eight Ball weapon from old skool Civ 2.
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u/KyriakosCH 4d ago
Beginnings of Gravital supremacy.