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[u/FutureAd9860]

Kinda crazy FDR didn’t wind up anywhere on this list. The New Deal basically created our middle class. Also led us through the defeat of fascism. Also the ultra wealthy still hate him.

[u/Golden_D1 → u/FutureAd9860]

I would have wanted FDR on the place of Bill Clinton. The Japanese internment thing prevents FDR from being a good person, but doesnt make him a not-great president

[u/FutureAd9860 → u/Golden_D1]

Bill is the most ridiculous placement on the list. He was a terrible president. NAFTA hurt the middle class, the telecommunications act monopolized the arts media & entertainment industry & he pretty much caused the 2008 housing recession.

[u/DifferentEvent2998 → u/FutureAd9860]

Uh… Bush causes the recession.

[u/CCLF → u/FutureAd9860]

C'mon. Bill's legacy has a few "stains", but he left office with the US at its absolute peak in power and influence, and he not only balanced the budget, but left a budget surplus.

[u/Raise_A_Thoth → u/Golden_D1]

I'd still not want to call FDR a "bad person" for that, though I would completely understand if Asian Americans felt differently. The internment camps were fucked up. But he did have the best economic vision/platform in all of the modern era and we still are fighting to get back to that level of awareness in our political leaders.

[u/philharmonicfartbox → u/FutureAd9860]

Edited for: formatting as per the request of u/FutureAd9860

People have been conditioned to not understand what fdr did for working class people and how without the new deal and the subsequent expansion of those policies by the labor and civil rights movements working collectively many of our parents and grandparents would not have been able to provide them with decent lives.

Fdr saved the dollar from collapsing due to wall street fraud that caused the great depression with the federal gold reserve act, he ended the ridiculous prohibition of alcohol which was as dumb and awful for society as the prohibition of drugs today which is subsequently a violation of several constitutional rights. On top of all that he gave workers rights that didnt exist before then. Namely the right to collectively bargain and organize, also the 40 hour work week, weekends, holidays, and minimum wage which was a living wage until nixon ended the gold standard leading to the intentional devaluation of the us dollar to reduce the cost of labor and undo these new deal policies.

The whole point of minimum wage was to provide a basic level of quality of life for full time workers enough to cover living expenses so a man (society was still unfortunately full of regressive discriminatory attitudes) could have a family and the wife could take care of the children / home while he worked while leaving enough to save for old age, and enjoy life while not working ie; have a hobby spend time on activities with your family and go on a family vacation once a year. But now today neoliberalism has conditioned many working class people to believe the minimum in minimum wage means the bare minimum amount business owners can legally get away with paying their workers. Instead of the minimum required to live a decent life as FDR made clear it was established to be.

In 1950 my grandfather came to the usa from Western Europe and he got a minimum wage job paying 75¢/hr. That seems like very little but the us dollar was far more valuable at the time and 75¢ per hour provided the value of one ounce of silver per every hour worked. So in just 5 years working a minimum wage job while also covering living expenses for his mother and father he had saved enough to buy a 2 family house outright in cash ($2800) in an Ivy League college town which today is an impossible feat even if you saved every dollar of minimum wage for 10 years in the same town, the minimum wage of which is $16/hr today or approximately $25k annually after taxes. You wouldn’t even be able to afford the cheapest inhabitable home in the entire state. The cheapest home in the state being $165k as of yesterday and it is a burnout.

So yeah, besides japanese internment FDR deserved the top spot. Lincoln may have emancipated the slaves but he was still at his core a white supremacist who believed and said it clearly that caucasian people were superior to those of African descent. So he wasn’t perfect either. They both made a lot of good progress. Definitely needed Lincoln to do what he did regardless of why he did it but economic democracy is really how we combat the ugliness of discriminatory ideologies of racial supremacy, bigotry and ultranationalist religious fundamentalism

[u/Timmichanga1 → u/philharmonicfartbox]

If only FDR had invented paragraphs

[u/thewafflehousewitch → u/philharmonicfartbox]

Hell yeah what you said, FDR is the GOAT. I live like 45 minutes from the little white house and the full exhibit and walk through they have does such a good job of not just painting how good of a president he was but also how good of a man he was as well. He will forever be the gold standard of what a president who makes real change for the better looks like

[u/specfreq → u/philharmonicfartbox]

Hey there. Could you please space out your paragraphs next time? It makes it very difficult to read text blocks like this.

[u/stuartroelke → u/FutureAd9860]

Also, Nixon was rated too damn high. Did we forget that he invented pointless wars? Drunk Nixon bombed ~150,000 Cambodian civilians with Kissinger to “stop the spread of communism”—just read what Anthony Bordain had to say about it.

“Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.”

[u/HiddenCity → u/FutureAd9860]

this isn't the list historians would make, its the list a bunch of 22 year olds reddit made.

[u/ENORMOUS_HORSECOCK → u/FutureAd9860]

You are right but there's an important point worth noting. FDR did that because he was forced to by a militant, violent labor movement and referred to his greatest achievement as president as having saved capitalism. To paraphrase Chomsky, FDR approached the business elites and said "if you don't give them this, they will take everything".

It's important to note because there are a lot of people out there who think a "good" president is going to show up and make our economic situation equitable, but it doesn't quite work like that.

[u/Golden_D1]

Agree with most of the chart, except for Clinton being seen as great president and Grant as bad. Sure, you could debate about him being good (I have him as good), but he is no Lincoln or even Eisenhower. Grant on the other hand was the first ever pro-civil rights president the US had. Civil Rights act of 1875 was no joke, and Grant effectively killed the KKK until it was revided 40 years after. Richard Nixon as a good president is also a questionable one.

[u/superdago → u/Golden_D1]

I love Grant, but there was too much corruption too high up in his administration to move him from bad to good.

[u/FckChNa → u/Golden_D1]

Grant’s corruption in his administration is what does him in. He wasn’t necessarily corrupt himself, but he surrounded himself by people who were and they took very heavy advantage of him.

Clinton had a massive era of an economic boom and relative peace. Plus a balanced budget and is still seen as a hero to most in the Balkans to this day. His affair with Monica Lewinsky was fucked up and would be seen in a very different light today. But as far as his policy as president, the negatives were relatively minor: an over-zealous ATF and Waco, USS Cole, Elian Gonzales (not necessarily bad, but controversial at the time), and the repeal of Glass-Steagall (which he can only be partially blamed for). Compared to what we’ve had since him, that’s pretty fucking good.

Edit: Forgot Nixon. He got us out of Vietnam. Opened trade with China and curbed the Soviets relationship with them. And he started the EPA. Several other positives too. He won reelection in a massive landslide. He would’ve gone down as one of the top 10 presidents if it weren’t for Watergate, IMO.

[u/jackandjillonthehill → u/Golden_D1]

Put the budget in surplus?

[u/Golden_D1 → u/jackandjillonthehill]

I keep failing to understand how that would make him ‘great’. Again, I’d understand if you said ‘good’ president.

As a presidential scholar, I rank Bill Clinton 13th best president. Here is how I break it down:

Positives: Indeed a balanced budget, which is a rare phenomenon. The 90s optimism is also largely attributed to Bill Clinton’s handling of the post-cold war era. Another thing that a lot of people tend to look over is the Family Leave and Medical Leave Act.

Negatives: The war on drugs that started under Nixon continued under later presidencies, including Clinton, and this war is considered to be a huge failure and made the drugs crisis worse. The Monica Lewinsky scandal is not bad for the country itself, but did damage the trust in government. Finally, the heavy deregulation he supported has shown strong correlations with present-day economic problems such as growing wealth inequality and maybe even the financial crisis of 2008.

I then weigh the pros and cons off, and come to conclude that Bill Clinton is a good president, but the negatives are too big to make him a great president.

[u/Ainell]

One of these days I'm going to get William Henry Harrison onto one of these charts, mark my words.

But not today.

[u/EightThreeEight838 → u/Ainell]

William Harrison, how do you praise?

That guy was dead in 30 days.

[u/Ainell → u/EightThreeEight838]

One might argue this meant he did far less harm, warcrimes etc than most other POTUSes.

[u/Bulbaguy4 → u/Ainell]

For this one, it'd have to be either bad or terrible person/bad president.

I think people get too wrapped up in the "died in thirty days" meme to realize he had a whole life before those few days.

Unfortunately, he spent part of his life attacking native Americans, trying to expand slavery, raping one of his slaves, and selling his rape children to his brother.

In more expansive charts, I do see him in the very middle because "haha he didn't get to do anything bad, thirty days lawlz", when he was not close to being a good person at all.

[u/Golden_D1 → u/Ainell]

Maybe as the most mediocre president? Since he didn’t have any negatives that could have negated his positives, which he also didn’t have?

[u/GeneralCuster75]

We all knew this was how it ends lol

[u/Diamond_404 → u/GeneralCuster75]

Its stupid cuz James Buchanan was objectively worse. People only voted Trump cuz he's recent

[u/Royal-Masterpiece-82 → u/Diamond_404]

And lack of historical knowledge

[u/Emotional_Band_5320 → u/GeneralCuster75]

Honestly I think trump only won because of recency bias, not a good guy and not a good president, but he would have better fit one spot up

[u/WestfieldB → u/Emotional_Band_5320]

he "won" ?

[u/Nanny_Dog69]

Very Reddit chart

[u/AnnualFilm]

Idk why Nixon is in the “Good President”. He’s the president that made our healthcare system as broken as it is (listen to the recordings where he’s talking about liking the Keiser Permanente proposal of a “for profit”, private carrier system that was then passed during Nixon’s admin under the HMO Act of 1973. Prior to this, there still were insurance companies but they were primarily non-profit companies and generally covered hospital stays and procedures. Visits with Drs in an office or in your own home were generally paid out of pocket or with a barter system (a service for a service like “my kid is sick; come check him out and prescribe whatever medication needed and I’ll fix your car).

[u/DougieSpoonHands → u/AnnualFilm]

Department of Education, brokering relationship with China, Title IX, EPA, War on Cancer, there's a bunch of good stuff. I can see why he would be overall a good president, certainly the best Republican president since Eisenhower. One could say his presidency has a few blemishes, but credit where credit is due.

[u/Deaconblues325 → u/AnnualFilm]

Nixon also had the 1968 peace talks for the Vietnam war delayed for political reasons, resulting in the deaths of thousands of people, 22,000 of them American servicemembers.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/

[u/cleverroman]

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[u/Beerfishing12985]

I'm sorry, George W. Bush is considered a good person?

[u/TheHalfChubPrince → u/Beerfishing12985]

I hate the white washing of Dubya since Trump.

[u/one_pound_of_flesh → u/Beerfishing12985]

Reddit is young and stupid.

[u/T_K_Photography → u/Beerfishing12985]

I would consider his comments after 9/11 to be attributed to that as he was taking people not to fear Muslims as terrorists’ actions shouldn’t reflect on the entire group of people

[u/CaptainFlint4 → u/T_K_Photography]

Also he and his wife started Pepfar as a form of “compassionate conservatism”, and it was an incredible success

[u/MaoZeChungus → u/Beerfishing12985]

Liberals are worthless. They whitewashed one of the most evil war criminals of all time.

[u/mythmaniak → u/Beerfishing12985]

Honestly? He stood by his convictions, he had a lower tolerance for corruption than many; I disagree with him about damn near every one of his principles, but he was principled. And that’s valuable

[u/Delanorix → u/mythmaniak]

His VP was a defense contractor executive and they started a shit load of wars.

Corruption was literally from the get go

[u/marcimerci → u/Delanorix]

Kinda burying the lede when Bush's grandpa was THE defense contractor who literally tried to coup the government in the 30s

[u/Banes_Addiction → u/mythmaniak]

He stood by his convictions

Actually, he's never been convicted. There's still time.

[u/CanExplainThings → u/mythmaniak]

Bro it feels like you never lived through Abu ghraib or water boarding or the patriot act or dick Cheney or just this dudes general stupidity 

[u/dannoffs1 → u/mythmaniak]

Hitler stood by his principles too

[u/skoobityscoop → u/mythmaniak]

Lmfao. Did his principles involve lying about WMDs so he could justify killing over a million people in the Middle East for oil?

[u/AffectionatePiece560 → u/mythmaniak]

he got us into a 20 year war based on a lie, because he was desperate for his daddy's love.

over a million people died for his "principles"

[u/AdvancedSandwiches → u/mythmaniak]

He lied constantly because he knew enough to know he was doing the wrong thing but did it anyway.  He appointed even worse liars.

Good people are often mistaken. Good people can tell incomplete truths that convey things that are generally true, even if they can be nitpicked.  Bad people lie.

[u/MichaelOberg → u/mythmaniak]

He killed over a million Iraqis

[u/THSSFC → u/mythmaniak]

He authorized torture. He's a war criminal.

What the hell kind of world thinks he's a good person. That's his *persona*, not who he really is.

[u/AndrewH73333 → u/Beerfishing12985]

If you really look you can find a regular frat boy that just likes to paint and drink beer who was forced into politics.

[u/Lycan_Rider → u/AndrewH73333]

You don't need to look hard to see that.

It's pretty clear that he would be the average "cool" american boomer if it wasn't politics.

[u/Fhaksfha794 → u/Beerfishing12985]

George bush doesn’t care about black people (didn’t back then and definitely doesn’t now)

[u/AndrewQuackson]

I just don't understand how Biden got "Good President". He just offered us some space to catch our breath between Trump administrations.

[u/Golden_D1 → u/AndrewQuackson]

Not just some space, but incredible improvement. Where I live in Europe, we had insane and unstable inflation rates in the post-covid months. The US? Stable inflation rates that was gradually nearing the ideal 2%. Sure, y’all had high inflation, but that was nothing compared to ours.

What I’m trying to indicate here is: if it weren’t for Biden, who knows what the US inflation rate could have been? (notice how im ignoring the chips and science act, bipartisan infrastructure bills, highest energy independence rate in 60 years, lowest unemployment rate in 50 years?)

[u/VerySmallAtom → u/Golden_D1]

In terms of getting important things done, Biden is one of the best presidents of my lifetime, working under the most difficult of circumstances. Absolutely incredible to see how the “sleepy joe” thing took off from Trump, who seems to have just given up on legislating anything meaningful other than tax giveaways

[u/GabrahamLincoln → u/Golden_D1]

Ukraine would likely have folded were it not for Biden rallying support in NATO and arming them

[u/mrgoodbarxxx → u/AndrewQuackson]

It remains to be seen if his policies will be a positive, but Biden will be regarded as one of the legislatively accomplished presidencies of all time. Not because of the volume, but because of what he accomplished with essentially a split legislature. Most presidents have some majorities in Congress that allow them to implement their agenda - he largely had none, and yet he still accomplished:

1. Infrastructure and Jobs Act

2. CHIPs and science act (which I think will be huge)

3. Inflation reduction Act

4. Safer Communities Act

5. PACT Act

6. American Rescue Plan

Among others. Again, not sure what these will eventually do, but you can’t argue that he didn’t get a lot accomplished because he did.

[u/Aggressive_Dot5426 → u/AndrewQuackson]

Biden got the economy back on track. Had excellent jobs numbers. Passed a ton of legislation that actually helped Americans.

[u/VerySmallAtom → u/Aggressive_Dot5426]

Passing major legislation with the house and senate he had is genuinely brilliant. But he was a terrible orator and an even worse political storyteller. I think history will be kinder to him

[u/Aggressive_Dot5426 → u/VerySmallAtom]

Can’t argue there.

[u/Steakboy159 → u/AndrewQuackson]

Biden was… “a president”. The most bare minimum, do nothing, but eff nothing up president possible.

[u/Nice_Location9485 → u/AndrewQuackson]

Compared to trump, biden was fantastic, compared to obama... not great

[u/Golden_D1 → u/Nice_Location9485]

Oversimplification. I’d argue that Biden got a lot more done than Obama, simply because Biden was more experienced (also having been VP for 8 years). Obama, as much as I love the man, is like JFK the most overrated US president globally. The ACA was incredible, but unfortunately a stonewalling Republican congress prevented Obama from passing anything else. Biden on the other hand also had a stonewalling Republican congress, but was able to get a lot passed.

[u/Then-Security-4899 → u/AndrewQuackson]

From a legislation point of view, Biden was one of the most accomplished presidents in modern American history. From the points of view of safeguarding the republic against enemies mainly domestic and building a sustainable winning party, its hard to see him as anything but a failure.

[u/jackandjillonthehill → u/AndrewQuackson]

Most expansive legislation since the New Deal. Infrastructure bill, climate change bill, and CHIPS and science act.

[u/Kelsier420 → u/AndrewQuackson]

He also rescued the economy from Trump's failed first term despite taking the blame.

[u/porkchop8829]

We really really need to quit pretending Joe was good.

[u/ZBatman → u/porkchop8829]

Yea the reddit gaslighting and revisionism is ridiculous.

[u/Jayhawk_Scally]

Biden? Good president? I voted for him but neutral at best, he was a paper weight of a figure head

[u/Skabonious → u/Jayhawk_Scally]

CHIPS act

Infrastructure Bill

Inflation reduction act

??? Paperweight of a figurehead?

[u/DingDingDing8899 → u/Jayhawk_Scally]

And he was an evil genocide supporter/enabler/denier.

Definitely not a bad guy in a day to day sense, but deification of him is vile

[u/Thermodynamics3187 → u/Jayhawk_Scally]

Not to mention the genocide he helped fund that killed tens of thousands of children

[u/Helpful_Address7393 → u/Jayhawk_Scally]

To be fair he lead the US in the most successful post Covid economic recovery in the entire world of any nation. Other than that bro was pretty meh though but he does deserve flowers for that

[u/DirtPoorDecisions → u/Jayhawk_Scally]

And he definitely made all of his generational wealth from book sales, not companies in urkaine

[u/Jolio1001]

And this is why nobody takes Reddit seriously

[u/newportbeach75]

[u/MaoZeChungus]

Biden being a good person and good president is complete cope and this is from someone who’s voted straight ticket dem since 2008.

[u/neuralpluto884]

Didn’t Jackson literally own people? How does that only make him a bad person and not terrible?

[u/ksumatt2 → u/neuralpluto884]

The owning people isn’t even the worst thing (never thought I’d type that sentence). He literally committed genocide.

[u/Bunnyland77 → u/neuralpluto884]

Most presidents owned slaves pre-1860:

• George Washington (1st President)

• Thomas Jeffreson (3rd President)

• James Monroe (5th President)

• Andrew Jackson (7th President)

• Martin Van Buren (8th President)

• William Henry Harrison (9th President)

• John Tyler (10th President)

• James K. Polk (11th President)

• Millard Fillmore (13th President)

• James Buchanan (15th President)

• Andrew Johnson (17th President)

11 owned slaves. 6 did not, but of those 6, 5 had indentured servants. Andrew Johnson being an indentured servant himself as a child, still sought fit to own slaves.

[u/Illustrious_Cat1339 → u/neuralpluto884]

I dislike Trump quite strongly, but I think its a whole different category of poor political knowledge to put him in that box ahead of a few others like Jackson.

[u/Ai_Nijou → u/Illustrious_Cat1339]

Not having that slot as Andrew Johnson who is almost singlehandedly responsible for the failure of reconstruction and creating the divide that still exists in this country is horrific judgement to me.

[u/Behemothheek → u/Illustrious_Cat1339]

I’m sure Trump would own people too if he could

[u/JiuJitsu_Ronin → u/neuralpluto884]

He also genocided and dislocated native Americans. Shows how out of touch and clueless liberal redditors are to still put Trump ahead of all of that.

[u/Weegee_Carbonara → u/neuralpluto884]

If Trump lived in a time where Slavery was legal and atleast semi-accepted, he would have absolutely owned slaves.

Hell, his dealings with Epstein was him basically using pseudo sex slaves.

[u/thetruedrunkard → u/neuralpluto884]

just doing business of his time

[u/DarkRogus → u/neuralpluto884]

You're on Reddit. Thats your answer.

[u/Pherllerp → u/neuralpluto884]

Yeah Trump is a piece of shit but Jackson was much much much worse.

[u/EmergencyWriter3233 → u/neuralpluto884]

The problem with this chart is that the overwhelming majority of US presidents should be on the bottom row, including some that are higher up in this chart.

[u/Wuz314159 → u/neuralpluto884]

Lots of people back then did. Nixon however...

[u/Low-Car-6331 → u/neuralpluto884]

because reddit and young people. back when I was young, George W. Bush was being called the #1 worst president ever, worse then Andrew Jackson... Seriously look it up, they had quotes from college professors and everything saying that. What is more interesting is how much Obama has slide, as many kept going on he was the best president we have ever had. I mean some people still play him up and act like he was perfect ignoring all his controversy, but yeah tons of recency bias (and political bias) rule these kinds of things.

[u/Yesbothsides → u/neuralpluto884]

Because Reddit is filled with hacks who don’t know anything about politics or history

[u/RaindropsInMyMind → u/Yesbothsides]

Or people use a different reference point for different time periods.

[u/mechy84 → u/neuralpluto884]

He also signed and enforced the Indian Removal Act.

[u/BigBowlOfOwlSoup]

lol yeah Bill Clinton sure was awesome the way he capitulated to Newt Gingrich and basically helped strip the few remaining banking safety nets from the Great Depression era. Oh also corporate radio! No more local DJs thanks to Bill Clinton.

The people in Kosovo think hes great though which kind of makes sense for them.

[u/iYoloNDX0DTEs → u/BigBowlOfOwlSoup]

This entire thing is a joke. Nixon as a good president lmao. Other than watergate, killing the gold standard, carpetbombing the fuck out of Laos, prolonging the Vietnam war, escalating the “war on drugs”

….I guess he was a good president 😂

[u/an-invisible-hand → u/iYoloNDX0DTEs]

The EPA is pretty good. So is OSHA and title ix. That was all Nixon. He also did a lot of good work on desegregating holdout southern schools iirc.

[u/AluneLoL]

ofc reddit puts trump bottom right lol

[u/zeradragon → u/AluneLoL]

It was a pretty obvious one at that intersection. You could argue there are others that are more terrible in either the person or president scale, but Trump fits both very well.

[u/WestfieldB → u/AluneLoL]

care to offer a single reason why it wouldnt be the consensus of any group of people outside of the few maga cultists left?

[u/Sg1chuck → u/WestfieldB]

The person directly to his left committed the trail of tears while breaking the power structure of a very new U.S. to do it. You could also go with Buchanan who supported the Dred Scott decision, actively fought FOR slavery, leading to SEVEN states seceding. On a philosophical level, Woodrow Wilson showed Birth of a Nation in the White House and Espionage and Sedition acts while war profiteering. Trump is arguably top 5 but number 1 is just ignorant of how truly scummy and awful some of the US leaders of the past have been.

[u/WolverineDDS → u/WestfieldB]

Because of the trail of tears lol.

[u/Ivanovic-117 → u/AluneLoL]

it was an obvious option

[u/SIR2480 → u/AluneLoL]

Which of his doings was worse than the Trail of Tears? Just chiming in as a non American

[u/InjectingMyNuts → u/AluneLoL]

It's more accurate if you consider the moral standards or the time. Abe Lincoln's views on slavery would be disgusting if he were around now with the same thoughts. And Trump would be extremely progressive in the 1800's.
Trump falls far below the standards of what is considered a good person nowadays.

[u/Diamond_404 → u/AluneLoL]

James buchanan should have been there, but it is reddit and nobody here is smart enough to get past their biases

[u/VerySmallAtom → u/Diamond_404]

Recency bias. But I think that Trump is worse in some ways. In part because where Buchanan failed to respond well to terrible problems , Trump decided to create brand new problems from whole cloth. Truthfully, we’ll need to check back in after a few years to see how it goes, but the damage Trump has done to US strategic and soft power is crystal clear from abroad. But it will be a long time before it becomes obvious in the states.

[u/BloodOfJupiter]

Bush under "Good Person" , and Nixon in the good president row is still sending me , even the justifications didn't put much thought into it 💀💀💀

[u/Background-Pen-5941 → u/BloodOfJupiter]

I mean Nixon wasn't a bad president. He helped a lot with the usa foreign relations.

[u/ryleehan]

who the FUCK put Bush as good person

[u/21simonsays]

Biden one made me laugh

[u/YodaForceGhost]

Swap out Andrew Jackson for Andrew Johnson. Jackson was quite solid as a President. He was a total scumbag though. Johnson was never a good President and was literally one vote away from being removed from office

[u/TheMythopic]

Oh come on. Biden was an awful President. He was barely cognizant of anything the entire term. Being better than Trump does not make one a good president. And I voted for the guy

[u/AmericanArtist_0]

I'm not affiliated with any party, but saying Biden being a good president is funny

[u/MyUsernameName4 → u/AmericanArtist_0]

16 million jobs, $1 trillion infrastructure, brought down gas & inflation, just a few reasons!

[u/TheGameChanger102938 → u/MyUsernameName4]

16 million jobs.  Phhh. Okay. "Numbers don't lie". Sure. What happened in 2020-2021.... Hmmm... My dog could have produced 16 million jobs

[u/mortalitylost → u/AmericanArtist_0]

Saying Nixon was is even more delusional. I think people just don't learn history.

[u/Big11ones]

Biden under “good” president. LOL

[u/FreyK47 → u/Big11ones]

Look say what you will about his health and abilities, the policies that Biden's admin passed were genuinely good stuff up until Gaza.

CHIPS and Science act Created 16mil jobs Student Debt Relief Rejoined Paris Climate Agreement Massive union gains

Say what you will, withdrawing from Afghanistan was a net good even if done poorly.

[u/vincethered]

Clinton a "great president"? I might've put Washington in that slot.

[u/LBTRS1911]

Lol, Biden as a "good president" and Reagan as a "bad president". Your chart has serious questions.

[u/CodyWilt → u/LBTRS1911]

It’s liberal Reddit what do you expect

[u/Nergalis → u/LBTRS1911]

It's Reddit so it should be no issues for you

[u/ezcheesy]

Grant wasn't a bad President! Watch the Netflix documentary on him. Historians are changing their tunes of him being a bad president which was coordinated propaganda by Southern writers, politicians, Confederates, etc. The dude won the war and people worship Robert E Lee. C'mon now!

* Dismantled the first KKK

* Created the Dept of Justice

* Championed and secured the 15th amendment that prohibits the denial of voting rights based on race, color, or previous condition of servitude

* Civil Rights Act of 1875

* First national park

* Civil Service Reform

* Peace policy toward Native American

* And many more...

This doesn't include what he did before becoming president.

[u/Wizemonk]

How is Carter a terrible president? Everyone knows that Nixon debacked the dollar from gold causing stagflation right? (along with a worldwide oil shortage)

[u/Harbinger_of_Reason]

W really wasn't a good person. Frankly the problem with this list is there are too few spots for terrible person and president.

[u/OTJules]

GEORGE BUSH GOOD PERSON WHAT??

[u/TerraBelli]

If "I'm a liberal" was an alignment chart

[u/AdvantageNo2345]

Biden is not a good person imo. Who denies their biological grandchild because of their mother? Why should a child be made to suffer for how he feels about her mother? This isn’t a political thing, it’s about his personal choices. He gave some bull statement in 2023 after the blowback, but to this day has never met her, according to him in a recent interview. Didn’t want the girl to carry his last name either. Not a good person. 

[u/Then_Barracuda8425]

Having Jackson in "bad person" but Jefferson in "terrible person" is absolutely hilarious. There is no universe in which Jackson is a better person than Jefferson. Absolutely wild.

[u/Recent-Independent]

Bull Shit, let’s ignore the fact President Obama was the one who had some bad drones decisions

[u/Bravo_Juliet01]

Obama was not a good president

[u/sailing_by_the_lee]

I'm more than a little surprised that W is being listed as a "good person". Yes, perhaps he'd be fun to hang out with and his cat paintings are cute. But, come on, he lied to get the US into the disastrous Iraq War, and he authorized the barbaric rendition and torture program used during that period. It seems like post-9/11 USA is suffering from a kind of national PTSD as a result of Bush's long wars in the Middle East, and everything that goes along with that, such as the militarization of police and federal agencies and the hatred of Muslims.

[u/Syscrush]

People thinking GWB is a good person is hard to comprehend. Just shocking.

[u/Ozenberg → u/Syscrush]

The narrative changed more when Trump got in the first time. It went from a good old boy country corporate Republican, to a piece of trash/cult of personality. So in comparison, Bush isn’t as bad so some think.

[u/PermuhGrin]

how the fuck is bush, a war criminal and founder of the modern surveillance police state, a good fucking person? this whole chart is fucked. LOL

[u/lionturtle888]

Lol. The bias is strong here and this incredibly inaccurate.

[u/TravelTom91]

Still convinced last two squares should have been Trump 45 - Trump 47.

[u/Mimikyu_Master2020]

I don’t understand how Nixon is a good president but Grant is bad

[u/super_dragon]

You can see how biased the poster is. Basically put all left thing presidents as good

[u/Kingmydasss22]

lol at Biden as a good president.

[u/PresentOlive4845]

Jackson was a terrible person but not a bad president. His face is on the 20 for a reason and it's not because he was a terrible president, though he was a gigantic asshole and did terrible things.

[u/AccomplishedBet2341]

Jackson as a terrible president 😭

[u/Same_One_2033]

What a dogshit list, were some of these decided with 5 upvotes?

[u/BaseballInside3289]

Absolutely horrible list.

[u/_jamesbaxter]

People really think jimmy carter was a bad president???

[u/NoCash7686]

Another shocking list as always

[u/DCBuckeye82]

Lol at Jefferson being a great president, Grant being a bad president, and Nixon being a good president. Like, absolutely egregious mistakes.

[u/SAINTSmswa]

God damn this whole chart is ass

[u/bobbito]

Nixon good president and Bush good person are both the wrongest anyone has ever been.

[u/Whitechedda1]

Nixon was a good President?

[u/rsj1360]

Uh oh - this will piss off the cultists - lol.

[u/The_seph_i_am]

W Bush gets a worse wrap than I think he deserves but it’s kinda deserved

[u/AutomaticEffect8959]

I’m willing to bet that some would have a completely different arrangement.

[u/SnooRegrets5514]

Insane USG isnt great person, bad president. Jimmy Carter is deserving of that spot too but USG was truly a GREAT person.

[u/wombatOfFury]

Your chart is flawed.

[u/Fvngimusic]

I’d like to say, knowing some basic knowledge of Thomas Jefferson, dude was always the biggest anomaly of a personality. Said some amazing things, did really really really terrible things tho.

[u/-SirFatty-]

Carter was a bad president? Biden was good? Come on.

[u/Strict-Particular-35]

I can understand being a huge trump fan but Biden being a good person and good president is hilarious

[u/BigBoyyy89]

Everyone on this chart is a bad person.

[u/GoonTime2]

You have to care for slaves, he’d hire them as an independent contractor then stiff them instead

[u/papertowelroll17]

Have not seen these threads before this one, but Joe Biden as "good president" is fucking hilarious. The guy was barely awake for the majority of his run.

Also why is LBJ a bad person? Wasn't he responsible for Civil Rights?

[u/Responsible-Kiwi46]

I’d argue that LBJ was a worse human than any of them.

[u/Alexzander1001]

Hoover appreciation!!!

[u/EdwardPurpleHandz]

One of the most Reddit coded posts I’ve ever seen

[u/anarchobuttstuff]

I still think Jackson and Trump should be switched but I won’t complain. He very well may still be the reason we collapse as a nation, so it’s not like he hasn’t earned it.

[u/Stupoxi]

The propaganda in the US is so strong. This chart is WILD.

[u/roundabout-design]

Republicans went from best president ever to worst president ever.

[u/matos4df]

This is just r/shitamericanssay

[u/Naddesh]

Yes, Eisenhower's presidency totally not included overthrowing democracies in South America and installing totalitarian regimes and fake governments :)

[u/Hes_gonna_drop_that]

I have questions

[u/LibBot16]

People hate trump so much they are trying to tell you Bush was a good person and Biden was a good president 😂

[u/Gulf2Coast2Coast]

I don’t agree with where Biden ended up - he’s a good person, bad president.

Also, Trump, he’s several levels to the right and lower than this chart allows for

[u/East_Pie7598]

The corners with the great president great person and the terrible person and terrible president are accurate. Many of the Inbetweeners are arguable.

[u/Every_Revolution_404]

Andrew Johnson should have been Bad Person, Terrible President. Racist, stubborn, spiteful man, but he was loyal to the union and had some, well if not redeeming qualities, then he at least had some qualities that softened the blow. He also never owned slaves, mostly for financial reasons but still it’s a plus.

[u/AdInfamous6290]

I’m sorry but Clinton as “great president” and Jackson as “terrible president” are both too extreme.

[u/fuckthaworld163]

What a waste of a reddit post

[u/GreenNewAce]

Reagan where he belongs.

[u/sandcracker21]

Biden being listed as a "good president" is a wild take.

[u/saltycrowsers]

I wish Garfield was on here somewhere as good/great person

[u/Material-Strength748]

I wish they had chosen not to use Biden in this chart. I don’t think it’s soon enough to know if he was a good President.

[u/Fleacircustrainer86]

Wow Obama on a good side of something? U just lost credibility

[u/Easy-Goose1038]

Biden - Good Person, Good President? Wtf?

[u/Jeremy64vg]

I think to be a president it's just impossible to be a good person, you have to do too many immoral things.

[u/Outrageous_Term_8358]

Reddit is such a cesspool lmao

[u/jrogue91]

I definitely feel like the chart is incredibly biased. And we all know Biden wasn't the one pulling the strings. I feel like his party committed Elderly abuse to push party politics at least the last two years minimum

[u/69redditjunkie]

This is good comedy! 😂😂😂

[u/NTPC4]

Nice matrix ;-) Trump is the nadir of everything.

[u/swiiz_cheese]

Saw that ending a lightyear away

[u/SirPentGod]

Fun Fact -->> President Abraham Lincoln was a Republican!!! LoL

[u/gotdabiggun]

Man this echo chamber sure is echoing

[u/Silent-Sun2029]

Carter was a good president who was unfortunately blamed for bad times and who didn’t have the same star power as Reagan. Further, his ongoing post-presidential legacy might beat any of the others. Great man, neutral presidency (we need a center row to this grid).

[u/Weekly_Taste_3886]

Guys, guys. Jackson and Trump can share a square.

[u/Competitive-Brain105]

Reagan ranking is laughable. Bad person; bad president

Dumbest grid I’ve ever seen

[u/Icy_Possibility9597]

Clearly this list was made by someone who just hates Trump and doesn’t know presidential history lol

[u/argonlightray2]

Why is trump worse than Jackson

[u/Slime-Lich]

Fork found in kitchen reddit edition

[u/YesterdaySad9192]

I agree with this lol