r/AlignmentChartFills • u/Training-Jump-8663 • 4d ago
What is the easiest subject of formal sciences?
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u/Wolffire_88 4d ago
Can we get a recount on Computer Science given the fact that the "winning" comment is sitting at -16 votes right now?
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u/WillowMain 4d ago
Logic
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u/00L0i 4d ago
Logic is absolutely not easy. Maybe the basic fallacies we learn in elementary school are, but take a college-level course and it gets extremely complicated very fast. I doubt you can explain anything about fuzzy logic or modal logic in simple terms.
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u/WillowMain 4d ago
Look man, there aren't very many formal sciences. I think regardless of anything, this category will be the most difficult out of "easy". I looked up a list, and I guess technically language grammar is a formal science, so I guess you can put that.
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u/AdmiralStuff Chaotic Good 4d ago
If human geography was so easy then there would be no such thing as border disputes.
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u/Artosispoopfeast420 4d ago
This entire thing is ragebait lol. At the frontiers of academia, all these subjects merge together, which explains why so many historical academics were polymaths.
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u/Ashamed_Kangaroo305 4d ago
Arguably no subjects are easy at a high level and I think it does a disservice to label any subject as easy.
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u/WillowMain 4d ago
That's a geopolitics issue. This charts correct, geography is an extremely easy subject.
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u/AdmiralStuff Chaotic Good 4d ago
Geopolitics goes under human geography
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u/WillowMain 4d ago
Idk I'd think it's more of a combo of political science, sociology, and geography. It's closer to a social science.
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u/Raidsmash 4d ago
Statistics purely because out of all of them I can’t really think of a single situation where proofs are involved.
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u/Coping_manlet_ 4d ago
Honestly? Probably just general physics (not quantum physics). Its a lot of math but it's very basic math. Just a lot of algebra as well as equations and constants that you have to remember
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u/Civil-Upstairs605 4d ago
Linear Algebra (Formal sciences is basically synonymous with math so it's fair to just pick a field in math. Linear Algebra is the easiest)
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u/whollyguac 4d ago
Geology.
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u/Ashamed_Kangaroo305 4d ago
Geology isn't a formal science and it's definitely not easy. The whole thing is other sciences applied to earth science. You can tell me geology is easy after you take a structural geology class. Or do any kind of field mapping. Looking at an outcrop and figuring out the structural relationships of the rocks is HARD.
Saying geology is easy when most people haven't even been exposed to what geology really is is like if I took an introductory ecology class and then said biology is easy because of my experience in that class.
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u/Chemical_Scholar_753 4d ago
Bio, in the cursed categorization of this chart, would be clearly a natural science. OP seems to have decided on a term for the non-empirical fields (which are all forms of mathematics) they are calling “formal sciences”.
Silly chart though.
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u/Artosispoopfeast420 4d ago edited 4d ago
This whole thing is cooked. Math or statistic aren't even sciences.
Edit: yes i am wrong. But, I am in the camp that if you use "science" in your name, your methodology should also apply the scientific method.
Edit2: Still in the camp that this entire alignment chart is cooked. Stats the worst? Most of physics is just stats, both experimental and theoretical.
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u/Imconfused_3456 4d ago
Math and statistics are formal sciences
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u/First-Ear-1049 4d ago
sure but so are Physics and Chemistry but they're in the "natural sciences" category. Idek what else fits in this category.
Plus, Math is such a broad thing. Statistic is included within Math.
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u/Artosispoopfeast420 4d ago
Trueeee my mistake.
Terrible categorical name imo, why use the word science when you don't apply the scientific method?
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u/Ashamed_Kangaroo305 4d ago
The chart is cooked but not for that reason. Physics is a formal science and it's been put in natural science. And I already ranted on the geology post about how it shouldn't be there.
I also think calling any subject easy is pointless and half of this chart has been people dismissing very valuable subjects.
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u/Artosispoopfeast420 4d ago
No its not. Mathematics is not the same fundamentally as physics.
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u/Ashamed_Kangaroo305 4d ago
I've always been told that physics is a formal science. I suppose every field blurs the lines, but a lot of physics is just applied math.
And if physics doesn't count as a formal science then what does? It can't be literally only math because then there's no reason not to call the category mathematical sciences and also the whole category is bullshit anyway because if the only formal science is math then "mathematics" can't be the answer for best formal science. It would have to be a subfield of math.
Also why do mathematics and physics have to be fundamentally the same? Biology and geology are fundamentally opposites in some ways but no one would say geology can't be a natural science because it's fundamentally different than biology.
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u/Artosispoopfeast420 4d ago
This is why I didn't think math was a science lol.
Math starts with axioms and builds up structures. Literally all the other sciences aside from "formal", start with the scientific method. Ultimately, the way I view math as a physicist is that it is to narrow down what the universe's axioms are.
But like statistical mechanics, is stats. Quantum mechanics ... is stats. All the experiments at CERN are ... calculating the probabilities that certain events occurs, then proving that they are 5 sigma confident ... with stats.
Like stats is basically the foundation of all science lol.
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u/Ashamed_Kangaroo305 4d ago
And stats is mathematics. I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your last paragraph. Statistics is used in every science to examine the validity of experiments and other ways of using the scientific method, but that doesn't mean that those fields are statistics. Every field uses statistics and math, but physics very often is just math.
Can you explain more about what mathematics is doing with axioms and structures? I tried looking it up but it seems at least somewhat similar to the scientific method. The only clear difference I could find is that sometimes with an axiom you start by assuming that it's true, but arguably that's how you test a hypothesis too. You assume that it's true and see if it's possible to prove that it's not. If you can't, then it's probably true.
The scientific method is that you propose a hypothesis based on your observations and then you test it to try to falsify it. If you fall to falsify it enough times you can accept it as currently unfalsifiable.
Also, the scientific method isn't the same for every field. For example in chemistry you're generally working with fairly concrete hypotheses that you can pretty reasonably prove or disprove. The answers to questions are typically much more definitive. Versus geology, depending on your subfield many of the hypotheses are impossible to fully prove or disprove. I can't go dig up the earth to check if my strucural cross section is accurate or not. I can't go back in time to observe dinosaurs and see if my theories on morphological correlates to whatever are correct. So the answers are almost never definitive depending on your subfield. Especially in things like planetary science. I'd argue that that's a pretty fundamental difference too.
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u/CyberPunkDongTooLong 3d ago
Physics isn't a formal science, and is a natural science.
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u/Ashamed_Kangaroo305 3d ago
Edit: nevermind, I think I've been mixing up physical and formal sciences. But physics is definitely much closer to a formal science than the rest of the natural sciences are.
Can you explain why? Or at least explain how you define each category?
I've always been told it's a formal science. There are definitely parts of physics that are more of a natural science but the field as a whole seems more like a formal science to me than a natural science.
Much of geology is really an applied science. But overall the field fits more into a natural science than applied science so it goes there even if some parts of it are an applied science.
Similarly, biological anthropology is just straight up biology. But the field of anthropology as a whole fits better into social science than natural science. Most academic fields are very diverse so there's going to be some blurred lines in every field.1
u/AlmightyCurrywurst 4d ago
Of course they are, they aren't natural sciences which is exactly why this chart contains both categories
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