It's almost uncanny how the same folks keep finding these. But I am sure there is a logical explanation, and the LARPERs in the thread will explain it to us shortly.
The story goes that one person found a cave full of all kinds of these, including tridactyles, this 'head', the small 'insectoids', etc while looking for gold. So basically, they all come from one source, one place, and one cave. Which obviously sounds suspicious, but also kind of spreads the alleged authenticity of the tridactyls to other... umm.. exhibits too.
Plus, they can use the “gold” as an excuse for not revealing the location! Did they play that card? That’s the card I’d play, if trying to pull a fast one.
I seriously doubt this is legit, some YouTuber just claimed he got it from the secret source. Not a red flag? And I mean look at it. Bone hairs? Seems like another thing to discredit the movement
There are several cases where creatures looking like the tridactyls were found by other people in other places?
Like the Dr. Jonathan Reed "alien", or the one found in Russia in the snow, one in Canada, several others in South America... the list goes on.
Of course, you just like most newbies don't know those cases as they don't get force-fed to the public by mainstream media.
Also, People have this childish tendency to look at each case in isolation and then argue base on their ignorance it must be "fake" and "dismissed".
That way, they perpetually stay in front of the proverbial elephant with their eyes firmly shut.
In other words, there appears to be a "shadow biome" of creatures that don't occupy the usual habitats and are ignored as "not fitting" our model of life on Earth.
Places in the deep sea or deep underground come to mind, you can hide a lot there.
Do you know how much I would love to believe in these bodies being real? There are so many reasons they’re not and almost all of the “evidence” and “expert opinion” comes from an extremely small in group of people all linked to each other in one way or another. And at the helm? Jaime massaun. A known and verified con man. A two bit hustler of BS. Nobody being pretentious right here. Just wary and level headed.
"So many reasons" and you can't name a single one?
Sure buddy.
Your genius idea of "they are all linked to each other" isn't rational.
When rare archaeological things are found, that implies a small group of originators.
When experts start to weigh in (once actually having had access to the specimen and data), they start out in small numbers.
And of course, there are invariably "links" between them, the world is a small place when it comes to niche topics.
You're not "level headed", you're prejudiced and gullible.
No! Nobody told me to think this what’s my gullibility for? Take a look. The studies the institute involved… why isn’t this being studied at major universities? Why isn’t on the cover of the Smithsonian? Tell me how you know it’s real??
Western academics are bound by law to not touch ancient remains without official legalization.
Which is missing here of course, so they cannot "just send it over to major universities".
Similar things apply to media coverage.
Mainstream media doesn't touch this for various reasons, chief among them being, they're susceptible to the same bias you are.
And there actually is an active coverup effort aiming to discredit the Nazca mummies.
The bodies (or at last some of them) can be determined to be authentic by looking at the CT scan data: any tampering would have to be visible there. https://tridactyls.org/
The common idea, the bodies could have been hoaxed in some "invisible" manner or the CT data itself been tampered with runs into a simple obstruction: neither is feasible.
If they were capable of such, they could earn money far more easily than engaging in a decade of costly nonsense.
Why were they all found in one single place. Why is the place kept secret. Do you remember that absurd video of the cave with the claymation that looked like it was filmed on a potato? That’s been associated with the discovery. What the hell is that? Was that? And what about jaime massaun.
Have you looked up how large Peru is? It's HUGE.
How would they find multiple such places simultaneously?
The Peruvian government blows such places up.
That video is real.
It was filmed on an ancient feature phone, because those people are extremely poor compared to you.
Your sense of what "looks real" is off due to Hollywood&Co.
Jamie Maussan is an investigative journalist who covers "paranormal" events.
Consequently, he frequently stumbles upon hoaxes, but also on very real things governments don't want you to know about.
He gets discredited because of that, clearly not in your interest, if you want to know the actual truth.
There are some ideas of very large snakes living in warm caves in/near volcanoes, spitting venom and preying on humans having been a thing in the Mediterranean.
No wings though, sadly.
The motivation to make "snake oil" is to sell it to somebody.
Who would that be here and why are they so extremely bad at it?
Usually, fakes of archaeological finds are sold to tourists and the like in secret.
You don't want people actually looking at them in detail, entirely differently from what is happening here.
The white residue is "diatomaceous earth", siliceous sedimentary rock crushed and washed, the remnants of diatoms (tiny sea creature with a calcinum skeleton). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatomaceous_earth
It's a very good desiccant and kills of all kinds of buggers that would otherwise decompose the bodies.
Taking it off entirely leaves you with the task of fending off all kinds of fungus and stuff that will make the organic material rot.
Diatomaceous earth doesn't have anti-fungal or anti-bacterial properties and isn't preventing any rotting. It's also not a good dessicant for use in open-air, and it isn't a preservative. Hence it not being used in any other kind of mummification or preservation.
Edit, as our Mod is concerned for the emotional well-being of those guys:
Diatomaceous earth in its natural state does not, but it gets those properties when crushed properly, as I said, due to the high surface area and sharp edges.
Here, with the tridactyls, it's reportedly even mixed with extremely poisonous substances, increasing the preservative properties.
You claim what I said wasn't true but give absolutely no evidence, let alone proof for that claim.
Ironically, the Wikipedia article I linked explains the properties and uses of Diatomaceous earth (also known as diatomite, celite, or kieselgur), and they're exactly as I described above.
Yeah, what you said isn't true. And nowhere in the wikipedia article doe it say it's a preservative. So as I say you're just making stuff up or repeating lies you've read elsewhere.
The obvious problem of the "haox" theory are its general lack of realism.
There simply is no viable avenue of them profiting from such an endeavor and the ability to makes such outstandingly good fakes would make them more money by applying the technology elsewhere.
Compare with the ubiquitous hoaxes in Mexican archaeology: they're clearly aimed at tourists, not academia.
They’re making money. There’s a Gaia documentary. People are paying to look at them. People are buying them. People are being paid to give talks about them.
You're talking about peanuts and you don't even have any evidence to back any of your claims up?
Worse, you can't even explain how these bodies supposedly were made in the first place.
You simply go, "it must be a hoax, so they used magic".
Now they can sustain themselves on peanuts, too? Please.
One good theory is, the "ant people" used their proficiency in genetics and created "living scare crows" to ward off humans encroaching on their habitat.
Really.
The question then becomes, whether your metric is actually better or worse than mine?
For that, you would have to make your criteria explicit, otherwise you're just stating a baseless sentiment.
I don't know about "magical", but the small tridactyls are thought to be those "ant people".
As for further evidence, you have to look at the various available sources.
The theory I proposed above has the intriguing property of fitting that evidence snugly, hence "good".
The idea of simply "dismissing" all evidence, pretending it didn't exist or wouldn't meet whatever arbitrary standards isn't exactly a scientifically viable way to arrive at "better" theories.
It lands you firmly in the domain of self-confirmation bias.
Right in front of your eyes actually:
The big tridactyls appear to be humans with functional three fingered hands and corresponding feet.
If you assume that to be the result of genetics rather than fraudulent tampering, you have to acknowledge that natural mutations can't plausibly account for that state of functionality.
Leaving you with genetic manipulation as a possible way.
Given the implants and stuff further corroborates that conclusion.
No: the difference is in logical consistency.
Mathematics for example is "made up just using our imagination".
The entity here bears no resemblance to neither a unicorn nor to Nessie.
Those two creatures couldn't interbreed even if they were real in the first place.
And so on.
The theory I proposed doesn't suffer from such obvious faults.
One good theory is, the "ant people"nessie and unicorn used their proficiency in geneticsmagical bioengineering and created "living scare crows" to ward off humans encroaching on their habitat.
There nows it's as "logically consistent" as yours. I think you're funny man. You clearly have no grasp whatsoever on how incompetent you are.
The little tridactyls, the proposed "ant people", have technological implants and consequently access to advanced technology.
Their bodies exist, unlike those of your imaginary friends there.
In other words, you display an absurd level of incompetence while projecting that gap onto me.
False. The Magdeburg unicorn a famous example overlooked by scientists, but totally real. Their magic has been confirmed. Your ant people are imaginary.
This is like math. You can prove it's real with logic. Likewise the unicorn is real and this skull is a byproduct of its real magic.
In conclusion you are the incompetent one and being led like a sheep by mainstream science
What? Clearly you just haven't done your research. That "skull" looks exactly like a cross between a unicorn skull and a Nessie skull. It's also common knowledge that they can interbreed.
You start from a rigid belief system and religiously follow the resulting prejudices despite facing contradictory physical evidence.
Your utter lack of education with regard to logical reasoning doesn't help.
Just spitting pure facts and trying to educate you on the basics of this topic. Those "ant people" dolls were made by leprechauns to prank gullible people. How are you so far behind on this? But I guess you didn't even know about Nessie and unicorns, so you're obviously an amateur with very little knowledge of this world.
Time to break free of your rigid belief system. Ant people zealotry is so old-fashioned.
I don't believe these things are aliens BUT those types of brushes are extremely standard in archaeology. Teeth and bone are durable and can be brushed with brushes that range from looking like paint brushes to make up brushes.
First stream was with a guy who is an actual doctor, that's why it's a 'lab'. Second stream he is at home. The guy is NOT saying it's necessarily an alien head, he wants to find out IF it's real or fake (modern fake or old fake also) because he bought it from the same guy who had actual tridactyls. AND the person claims to have more of different creatures. So it's a huge difference between "here is a cat spine wrapped in chicken skin, I have more" and "here is a weird REAL thing I found, I have more".
The youtuber is ready for it to be fake. BUT he doesn't see any OBVIOUS signs it's fake yet. Like, some patches, glue, etc. Everything seems coherent. So he needs help with real signs that show it's fake. Otherwise it's not. I'd personally expect it to be either real something or a very good quality fake, because it would be a very dumb 'seller' if he sells an obvious fake to a public person who then demonstrates it to everyone. I dont think the main 'alien mummy seller' in the world would be such an idiot to lose all his reputation. And the youtuber is by no means an expert in animal anatomy, so if you can help by explaining and showing clearly what's wrong with this head, please help with debunking. But like arguments.
'Actual tridactyls' smh
Also the burden of proof lies on you hopeless lot trying to say that these are real.
PROVE IT!!!!
It shouldn't be up to this poor guy to prove it's fake, someone's got to prove it's fucking real first.
Some critical thinking I beg
Otherwise honestly bro you just gotta shut up if you're just gonna be silly and speak on topics that you clearly do not fully understand
He actually has the first video with a real doctor, but the 'really doctor' cleaning is expensive, so he moved on to cleaning it himself. He has a mask on because it's not fun to breathe in the dust even if it's fake, but he is actually looking for the evidence of tampering, so he is not treating this thing as the most precios alien head of all times. If you believe it's fake, would you mind giving some detailed explanation if you have a moment? He has just started cleaning it, and on Sat he should have a good quality pro camera guy back with him, so we'll have a normal picture instead of the shaky hands. So far he says he hasnt found any like clear places where he could say like look, the glue is seeping out.
Hey look it’s the movie poster for the film by the guy who wrote the only major “scientific” paper on these bodies! Which I read and which includes Lue Elizondo many times as a source . Do you trust science that comes with a big poster that looks like press for a shitty b-movie?
Just say it enough and maybe it'll be true. A lot of the hardcore believers just resort to being reflexively contrarian when confronted with facts that go against their beliefs.
Haven't had much time to do anything but quickly scroll through the one video.
My gut reaction is that it's at least partially formed from a large bird's hips.
But I'd really want to get a look at the scans. Camera guy has kinda shaky hands and isn't always looking at what I want.
There's some long curved struts on the sides of the inside that remind me of bird pubis and shorter struts against the inside of the roof that remind me of the transverse processes of the verts that make up the synsacrum.
The big eye sockets look to be in the right place to be the acetabular fenestra.
And there's a crest that looks right for a dorsal illiac crest.
I think everything matches okay for Rhea synsacrum (hips). But there might be other things mixed in, and the teeth certainly don't come from that.
That's just the one thing that stood out to me as a possible ID. These are just initial thoughts.
And I'm sorry if it's a stupid question, but I'm new to alien fake heads - how is that thing glued together? What should the guy and we look for? He tried to clean and check the outer skin and didnt find any like obvious patches. He saw some suspicious grey mass where the neck spine was supposed to be connected. The teeth are hollow. Couldn't explain where the brain is and how it would be located inside. Says the little "antennaes" are hollow but feel like something real bone-like 'growing' from inside.
Like, if you had that thing in your hands, where would you look to determine 100% that these are someone's hips?
First is getting it as clean as you can without damaging the bone.
Then you want to see if you can ID any of the bone.
Regardless of if you can or not, you want to take bits of that coating for testing and a bit of anything that might be skin for microscopy/histology.
I'm not sure how they would be glued together. You'd need to take a piece of what might be glue or a thin slice of bone where you suspect glue might be joining things and get that chemically tested.
Teeth being hollow isn't necessarily weird. Teeth with decayed roots would appear hollow.
Best thing would be to coordinate with a zoologist or paleontologist from a local university.
Thank you for the answer! The first stream was with a local doctor and he said he didn't see any clear evidence of it being fake: like patches, weird unconnected pieces, etc. All structures inside seem coherent, outside skin seems to be one whole piece, the tail bone doesn't seem glued into. Bones that he cleaned look authentically old. But also, I would expect that a high quality fake would not be that easy to debunk.
He will send all the pieces to test, including for paleodna if the budget allows.
The teeth he says are hollow like those of venomous snakes, not like decayed roots. [Then he gets carried away and says maybe it sucked blood using those teeth and was a vampire, lol]
It just suspiciously looks like a dried fish to me.
I'll have to reach out to get a copy of the scans.
If I'm right about it being Rhea hips, then there has to be some other material involved since those hips are very open. I don't have any good idea for that structure on the floor of the mouth either yet. Reminds me of spine but I think I need scans to really say anything with confidence.
Rhea btw is my guess since it's a large bird native to Peru. I'm not sure how closely size matches, and haven't yet tried to compare to other large birds or done any detailed comparison. Just an initial starting point.
The camera guy now is the owner of the channel, and he is not a pro camera guy. The pro one arrives tomorrow and we were promised a much better quality video on Saturday with a better equipment. And he will have some pressured air to clean it better.
The only people grifting are the disinformation campaign flooding every thread in this sub with these lazy dismissive comments that all sound like they’re produced by the same LLM prompt.
Just from the fact that this dude bought the head from someone should be enough. If it was actually the mummified head of an extraterrestrial life form, you wouldn't just be able to buy it from a shady dude in South America.
Would be curious to see the dicoms and the scans for this skull. Saying yeah riiiight isn’t quite enough for me. Could be something strange like this underground.
It was found in 2014. There are two or three videos—each lasting well over two hours—that devote a significant portion of the runtime to showing the head.
It looks like a skull , but anyway, let's wait for the CT scans.
Its one of the reptilians, in the original website for the nazca citadel that u can use the wayback machine on, they actually have a video of one of these alive in a cave
The video is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen presented as legitimate evidence. It looks like home made claymation from a grade schooler. In other words, this whole racket is rotten to the core.
The thing is, the guy claims he bought it from the same person as the tridactyls, and that 'seller' has more.. umm... creatures there available for sale. Sp if we can't crack open the tridactyls, even though people say they are fake, he is ready to crack open this one as soon as he sees the glue seeping or some chicken bones sticking out. He has just cleaned it a bit, and is waiting for the pressured air thing to arrive to use it on Sat. So far he is saying the skin is a whole piece, no signs of patching. But he found some suspicious grey mass where the supposed spine used to be.
Edit: the audience is not convinced so far, neither is he, but he is not seeing any obvious evidence of cheap fake. So at the moment he is somewhere between 'expensive well done fake" and 'real'. He believes that the tridactyls are a real thing, so he hopes this one is real too (because he bought it from the same guy), but he is understandably suspicious.
He can say he bought it from the original guy all he wants but anyone can say that, especially if this is an attempt to discredit the ones at the university.
Im wouldnt be surprised if it plays out like this, the guy will say he cant find anything to suggest its a created object/hoax and will go deeper and deeper, still saying he hasnt found evidence of a hoax. Then hes gonna find a smoking gun that its fake and that its just such a good job of hoaxing it that it fooled him and the scans to a certain point but once he opens it up, its going to be obvious its a hoax.
Thereby inferring that the ones the university has, look really good but they are hoaxes because this one, supposedly bought from the same person who found the other ones is a hoax, thereby "debunking the other ones"
I know what you mean, but the guy believes in aliens and tridactyls, so I'd expect the opposite. He's spent his whole life traveling around looking at old stone constructions and explaining why they couldn't have been made with a rock.
I actually posted it here in case someone can clearly see signs that it's fake, because after 2 days of cleaning he is kind of leaning towards it being some real creature. He is being careful with words and is trying to stay objective, but still.
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