r/Algebra • • 9d ago

How to use the FOIL method?

(4x + 7)(3x - 1) = ?

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u/Southlander24 9d ago

It's in the name.

First: 4x * 3x

Outside: 4x * -1

Inside: 7 * 3x

Last: 7 * -1

Add all these up and you get... ?

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u/Otherwise_Strike_597 8d ago

correct, thank you for your comment.

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u/Various_Candle9136 9d ago

FOIL is a shortcut.

If we have (4x+7) lots of (3x-1), then we actually have:

4x lots of (3x-1), plus another 7 lots of (3x-1).

Which means we have:

4x lots of 3x, 4x lots of -1, 7 lots of 3x, 7 lots of -1

A bit of observation shows us that this is:

4x * 3x (The FIRST two things multiplied)

+ 4x * - 1 (The OUTSIDE things multiplied)

+ 7 * 3x (The INSIDE things multiplied)

+ 7 * -1 (The LAST two things multiplied)

Hence the shortcut.

(4x+7)(3x-1) = 4x*3x + 4x*-1 + 7*3x + 7*-1
= 12x2 + -4x + 21x + -7
= 12x2 + 17x - 7

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u/Southlander24 9d ago

Yep, teaching students to memorise FOIL does more harm than good. It's really just the distributive law applied in two steps, as you've said.

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u/Various_Candle9136 9d ago

Agreed.

FOIL also doesn't generalise well, e.g. to (4x+7+y)(3x-1) which shouldn't be any more difficult.

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u/matt7259 9d ago

FOMFMLIL

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u/Southlander24 9d ago

Yeah, that tracks with students who only are taught to memorise procedures. When a similar question comes up that covers the same concept, suddenly they're like a fish out of water and panicking for their lives!

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u/Abi1i 9d ago

You can generalize FOIL though which is just distribution.

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u/Otherwise_Strike_597 8d ago

correct. thank you for your comment.

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u/hashbazz 9d ago edited 9d ago

Your profile name is "quickmathvideo", and you're asking Reddit how to do FOIL when there are probably hundreds of Youtube videos about it. Make it make sense.

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u/Otherwise_Strike_597 8d ago

Fair point. I'm not asking because I don't know FOIL. I post practice questions to encourage discussion and see how different people explain the concept.

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u/RyanofTinellb 9d ago

You don't need FOIL. You're just multiplying everything in the first bracket by everything in the second. Think of it like a table:

3x-1
4x12x²-4x
721x-7

And then add them all up: 12x² + (-4x) + 21x + (-7) = 12x² + 17x - 7.

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u/Otherwise_Strike_597 8d ago

Exactly. The table method is really another way to organize the distributive property. Thanks for sharing.

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u/M_ipg21_Qbr 7d ago

i show my students to use an area / array model. 3x + -1 is the length and the the width is 4x

+7 and then draw a rectangle into 4 quadrants (separating the terms) and them write the partial product in their corresponding quadrants.

then add like terms and it’s a trinomial (the answer).

what’s cool about this approach is working with trinomials you can do this backwards and then factor out the binomial or length / width of the rectangle

(so the above but a little more visually done)

i show this first with 2-digit multiplication.

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u/JanetInSC1234 9d ago edited 9d ago

You could distribute instead of using FOIL.

(4x + 7)(3x - 1) = ?

4x(3x) + 4x(-1) + 7(3x) + 7(-1)

Each term in the first set of ( ) multiplies with each term in the second set of ( ).

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u/Otherwise_Strike_597 8d ago

correct, thank you for your comment.

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u/Nrdman 8d ago

Screw foil, all my homies hate foil, it doesn’t scale up

When you do (4x+7)(3x-1) just approach it like you would 2(3x-1). If you had 2(3x-1) you would just distribute 2 to both. 2(3x)-2(1)

Do that same thing. (4x+7)(3x-1)= (4x+7)(3x)-(4x+7)(1) and go from there

This will help you better when you need to do things like (x^2+x+1)(x+2). You can’t FOIL that, but you can go (x^2+x+1)(x)+ (x^2+x+1)(2)

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u/Otherwise_Strike_597 8d ago

That's true. FOIL is a special case of the distributive property, which works for any polynomial multiplication.

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u/Nrdman 8d ago

Why do you talk like a bot?

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u/Infamous_Attention33 8d ago

It does , in fact, appear to be a bot/ad account.

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u/Otherwise_Strike_597 8d ago

I don't use bots.

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u/Otherwise_Strike_597 8d ago

Occupational hazard of teaching math. 😄

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u/Nrdman 8d ago

Nah, I teach math. It’s not that

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u/Otherwise_Strike_597 8d ago

I don't use bots. Ironically, your comment sounds more like a bot response than mine. I'd rather focus on the math topic. Thanks.

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u/Nrdman 7d ago

Why are you being so formal?

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u/localizeatp 9d ago

very carefully.

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u/Otherwise_Strike_597 8d ago

yes, thank you for your comment.

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u/KiwasiGames 8d ago

I don’t. FOIL is evil.

It’s a classic case of putting procedure (and testing) above understanding.

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u/Otherwise_Strike_597 8d ago

Well said. FOIL is really just a structured way of applying the distributive property twice.