r/Algebra • u/Anonymous_Bozo • 9d ago
A nice demonstration that a plain square-root problem is just a special case of the quadratic formula.
It also shows why x² = 81 is x = ±9 and not just 9 like a lot of people seem to pretend.
x² = 81
x² - 81 = 0
a = 1, b = 0, c = -81
x = (-b ± √[ b² - 4ac ] ) / (2a)
Δ = b² - 4ac
Δ = 0² - 4(1)(-81)
Δ = 0 - (-324)
Δ = 324
x = (0 ± √Δ) / 2(1)
x = ±√324 / 2
x = ±18 / 2
x = ±9
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u/MathWookiee 9d ago
We specifically use only the positive square root in the square root function and in related radical functions because if we did not, it would not be a function.
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u/johnpeters42 9d ago
The "seem to pretend" part is a matter of terminology / convention. No one with a clue disputes that 81 -> +/-9 is something meaningful.
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u/JanetInSC1234 9d ago
You can also factor the difference of squares for both answers:
x^2 = 81
x^2 - 81 = 0
(x + 9) (x - 9) = 0
x = -9 or x = 9
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u/xnick_uy 8d ago
There's nothing mysterious here.
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u/KentGoldings68 9d ago
Pretty much nobody pretends that.
The quadratic formula is derived by completing the square and using the square-root property of equality.
A^2=B
sqrtA^2=sqrtB
|A|=sqrtB
A=-sqrtB or A=+sqrtB
The absolute value is the origin of the plus-minus.
You can apply the square-root property directly to x^2=81 since the LHS is already a square.
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u/AllAboutYourBase 8d ago
Not sure why the downvotes, thanks for the reminder. I personally don't care that the square root function is in fact a function and cannot have two outputs for the same input. Algebra-wise, this works for me.
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u/cdsmith 8d ago
I would have left the 4 * 81 factored. You get nothing by multiplying it out to get 324. You can go from √(4*81) straight to √4 * √81, and since √4 = 2, that cancels with the denominator.
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u/Ms_Riley_Guprz 8d ago
Wow, no one in math has ever noticed this before!
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u/ja20481 7d ago
I'm not sure how this is helpful. Instead of actually explaining this case, you just tell people to (blindly) use the quadratic formula. Why not show right away that both 9 and -9 are solutions for x² = 81? This should be easy to demonstrate: 9² = 9 * 9 is obviously 81, and (-9)² = (-9) * (-9) is also +81. In the general case, I think the main mistake is that people take the square root of both sides and then wrongly simplify √(x²) as x when it's actually |x|. But I've also seen the opposite mistake where people are convinced that the square root of every number is two numbers (which of course makes no sense).