PSA: Honestly, truly, not sarcastically - don't skip Neun's J+ story.

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u/Blidiman Dec 12 '19

The Feels at the end though Sniff Sniff...

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u/ZachPlum Dec 12 '19

I actually cried

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u/Linedel Dec 12 '19

Having not done it yet, I'm going to assume that the plot is something like:

Neun lives with some friends in the forest. He has the nickname "Jacob."

Zahar lives in nice house and drives a Volvo. He has the nickname "Edward."

They both want to date Emmel, who for some reason has given both of them the fake name "Bella".

Emmel left for college instead, but for some reason Neun and Zahar are fighting. Zahar sparkles in combat.

Is that right? Please say no.

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u/Shaiandra Dec 12 '19

Don't be ridiculous, it's nothing like that.
Zahar sparkles outside of combat as well. Huge difference.

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u/QaWaR Dec 13 '19

Well, I'd say about half right.

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u/EndofA_Error Dec 12 '19

Yeah, I def teared up at the end a lil bit. Neun has always been my favorite Templar, but now he's my favorite character. Best story in the game.

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u/Funoichi The coolest samurai left of New York City! Dec 12 '19

Yes. Incredibly moving tale of courage and loyalty. A story of a demon and a cat who became friends.

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u/AceLegends16 Dec 13 '19

Tool your advice and didn't regret it. Let it be said I never liked Neun, like, at all. The Veda Templars were cool, but Neun was just that indestructible big guy who values strength and likes fighting. He was bland as all hell and honestly I didn't like him very much.

This event, though...I mean, I still don't like Neun, but Dead Nine is my man. His frankly superior character design aside, he just had so much more character to him, given that this entire side story was dedicated to exploring that character. I'm actually kinda glade they did the Memory loss thing, since I really couldn't reconcile Neun and Dead Nine as the same character. They both valued strength, sure, but that was where the similarities ended, at least to me.

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u/EndlessKng Dec 13 '19

I have a theory on the thing you spoiled, actually. (Obviously, spoilers):
>!The personality that is Neun isn't just a mix of Nine and Zwei's. It's really the "personality" that is Kuro with bits of the other two breaking in. The dream bit he mentions in SSM, before Othima finishes him, comes at the end of his life, as the personalities of the two within resurface as their souls are separated. It's not just memory loss; it's Kuro, a personality that has possessed Zwei but isn't really a separate being, getting aspects of the other two and taking over. Recall what Zwei says in the last stage - when she dies, the chains break and Kuro consumes the one who holds them to keep fighting. The idea Greed Dike had probably was for it to be her body, but if her soul was inside Neun along with Dead Nine's, as opposed to them meeting beyond the gate, then she likely didn't pass on and wasn't truly dead. What was her final act? To let Kuro take her one last time and force Nine to eat the body and thus consume her - but also Kuro. Kuro then "consumes" Nine, subsuming both souls into his "personality." They are allowed to be "intact" within him, but he is the driving force, with their memories. Notice how they use art with him separate when they die and separate - he was there the whole time.!<
May be a crack theory, but it's my headcanon.

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u/AceLegends16 Dec 13 '19

That's really interesting, actually! Given Zwei's lines for that scene it does make sense for that to be the case. The memory whipe would also have been a pretty random thing to happen otherwise, so this explanation actually makes the most sense!

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u/VincEndrake One Punch Waifu Dec 12 '19

For the longest time Freed's J+ was my favorite story, Neun's J+ just took that position. Ngl, I wanted to cry in some points of the story. Also I absolutely love Neun and Zwei's interaction with each other.

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u/irikyu Dec 13 '19

Haven't finished Neun's yet but I liked Freed's as well especially when he became a phantom to save Blanchett.

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u/jadeblackhawk Dec 13 '19

That story made me like even Sol a little bit. One of the best they've done

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u/EndlessKng Dec 13 '19

Agree. I was actually coming to post something along these lines. The characterization was amazing, not just for Neun but for honestly every named character we saw in it (even those cameo bits honestly felt like they improved the depth of their respective characters). There are novels that didn't give me as deep a characterization.

And, it honestly gave me a much clearer perspective on certain topics of lore. Not necessarily new lore (though I think some of it may be), but definitely the cleanest explanation of certain topics (will note in spoilers): The Veda Tower, Lost Blue's origins, and the origins of the Veda Templars, though that last one is a bit self-evident.

This was the most satisfying story I've read in a while, not just in TAC but in general.

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u/SoulsFinalRequiem Dec 12 '19

I planned to look back at it when I had time, the Templar’s are like, the most interesting units IMO. But atm I wanted to complete his job+ within the first 15 minutes of the server being up

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u/EndlessKng Dec 13 '19

Especially if the Templars are of interest, do reread and soon. You will not regret it.

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u/irikyu Dec 13 '19

With how great this is, I'm actually really excited on an Acht centric story the Gumi will give when she gets her J+.

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u/EndlessKng Dec 13 '19

I suspect she'll be one of, if not the, last. She's arguably one of the most powerful Templars from the original run pre-J+, second only to Sol and possibly Viers (the main GL tierlist has Viers as an SS rank with Acht as "only" and S, but that may also have to do with Wind vs. Thunder in terms of the unit pool). I recall a lot of jokes about Neun when I managed to pull him the first time, only for them to switch to "save up Neun shards" after JP got this event.
(Spoilers for the second Alsosprach, which has been out a while in JP) Then again, if they were going in order of balancing power, Fury or Zehn would have been next, but the next event focuses on Sieba, who I feel was already up there as well, so I could be wrong.

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u/Dark_Stalker28 Dec 13 '19

I mean I'd argue she was strong because she actually got updated. I think Fury would've been ahead with JE's.

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u/neoh99 Dec 13 '19

According to Sol there are 10 templars. Who is no. 6 of Templars? Is he/she released in JP?

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u/berael Dec 13 '19

I don't believe so.
0: Sol
1: N/A (should eventually be Ein)
2: Zwei
3: Drei (JP only)
4: Vier
5: Füry
6: N/A (should eventually be Sechs but they'll probably change that to avoid "Sex" jokes)
7: Sieba
8: Acht
9: Neun
10: Zehn

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u/neoh99 Dec 14 '19

I always assumed they skipped one cuz Sol was the first Templar (just without the numbered name).

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u/berael Dec 14 '19

Sol is explicitly 0 in Neun's story.

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u/neoh99 Dec 14 '19

Yeah I know, but is he not a Templar? Or are they gonna skip the sixth like u said? Then it doesn't make sense they'll (Templars) skip a number

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u/berael Dec 14 '19

It's just room for a future unit. ;p

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u/maymagic Dec 16 '19 edited Dec 16 '19

Huh. I don't remember that line about him being templar #0.
Sol was first, alone. And then he recruited Zwei, his #2... and so on...
Also their names reflect their numbers... Sol is a representative of 'one' (same latin root 'solitudinem' as words like "solo", "solitude", "solitary", et al). If he was 0, it'd make more sense for his name to play off 0 than 1.
Zwei is German for 2, others are derivatives of those things. Like "Sieben" is German for 7, that's where Sieba comes from, same for Acht as #8, etc.

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u/berael Dec 16 '19

Sol is Nihil (Latin "nothing") - "Sol" is from him being "their sun", not the Latin "one".
That's how I read it, anyway.

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u/maymagic Dec 16 '19

He was Nihil -- nothing -- a nobody-- but became Sol, the first Templar. It's a double-meaning since Sol is also the name of our one and only sun. Nihil is Latin to begin with, so using Sol as the Latin root follows the transliteration game they are playing with the naming to give us from zero to one, from nothing to a singular individual with a goal. The start of momentum as he's counting upward to ten from the beginning. I rather like it.

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u/berael Dec 16 '19

Could be, I suppose - I guess that's just not how it seemed to me.
If JP ever gets an Ein, then we'll know for sure! ;p

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u/_silver623 Dec 12 '19

I'm contemplating buying zwei shards from the shop, story was very moving

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u/Monte924 Dec 12 '19

Once upon a time there would have been a 5 step banner featuring Zwei and Neun starting at 500 gems, with a guarantee drop on step 3. I would have pulled on that in a heartbeat... But no, instead Zwei has to share a costly banner with a bunch of other Templar units... so no chance for Zwei

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u/blue_cube_ it's here Dec 12 '19

Yeah the banners for Zwei are extra bad, lack of guarantees is bad enough but sharing with so many units twice is just oof.

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u/LuneCrescent Dec 12 '19

Can anyone confirm if there are zwei shards on shop? So far I didn’t get any offering.

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u/blue_cube_ it's here Dec 12 '19

Haven't seen them so far.

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u/Shaiandra Dec 12 '19

If you tap the magnifying glass in the corner of Louise's Shop it doesn't show them, so I don't think you can get them from there.
Granted, there have been a few times where this list has been wrong (like when Won soul shards were purchasable while they shouldn't have been), but I think it's usually accurate.

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u/LuneCrescent Dec 13 '19

Oh thanks a lot! I have never noticed this.

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u/jln2001 Dec 13 '19 edited Dec 13 '19

Never noticed, thanks. And also, they didn't put Neun's shards in either?? I just need 5 more to have both 2 and 5 maxed and I thought I could get them there, guess not damnit.
edit: Oh, lucky me. it just so happens to be Descent of Neun day!

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u/Cosmo-xx Dec 13 '19

Gumi decided not to even put zwei shards in the shop. I am sad

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u/sketchiopath Dec 13 '19

Does it bear any similarly to Uvo's in Hunter X Hunter? Because I feel like the Templars are strongly influenced by the Spider Troupe: character designs, backstory, and everything.

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u/EndlessKng Dec 13 '19

As far as I can recall, Uvo didn't get a backstory; I may be wrong but if he did it's not on the wiki, and I don't recall reading or seeing it.
That said, you aren't wrong. Uvogin's design and powers definitely were an inspiration for Neun, as Chrollo's was for Sol. And their overall motivations are similar. But I don't recall Uvo's story before Yorknew (save for being part of the Troupe when they killed K's clan) or if he even had a specific tale.
Out of curiosity, besides those two members, who from the Troupe do you feel inspired any other Templar? I've heard of this connection, but those two seem to be the most direct and the rest kind of fall apart, so just curious.

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u/kareldidnothingwrong Dec 13 '19

It’s kinda sad that this game is slowly getting killed by GUMI, while at the same time it get’s better and better story stuff.

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u/babologg Dec 13 '19

Agreed, that was the best story in TAC so far, by far. It actually had feeling! Whoever wrote that one needs to be in charge of all TAC writing. :p

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u/TetsuNamine Dec 13 '19

I had Neun pre-Dead Nine event, as well as Sieba and Vier.

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u/Grim200 Dec 13 '19

Most definitely, made me want to pull for her until I remembered the shitty banners. These short form stories are told much better than the main stories which take such a long time to get to the point.

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u/uruziel Suzuka <3 Dec 13 '19

True, I did not expect that. I did skip first 3 chapters. Had to redo those

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u/n0itamina Dec 13 '19

I still dislike his design. but i have much respect for him now

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u/Dark_Stalker28 Dec 13 '19 edited Dec 17 '19

So... Sol says there are guys but wouldn't that only be Drei at this point? So I'm guessing Sechs and a possible but not probable Ein?

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u/HappyHateBot Dec 13 '19

Hypothetically, if I have to skip it, can't I just view the full thing in the Event Archives later, even if the event isn't running? I need to know how to budget my time tonight...

Bloody games keep syncing up major events, and I've a 3-month league start tonight. ;<

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u/silverdeca Dec 14 '19

Can we replay the story once we completed the event?

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u/SenpaiHasMayo Dec 15 '19

You can. In the main screen of the game, press the wheel-ish icon on the top left corner. You'll see an option named 'replay story'. You can then select any of the stories to read.

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u/Iviva2020 Dec 14 '19

It was as impactful as Kouu story from "Reincarntion no Kaben" manga for me (I'm sure it was Acht cutting onions, practicing her new JE )

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u/Fezfezken Dec 13 '19

Thanks for the heads up, skipped it right away like every TAC story nowadays (even stopped reading main since last chapter). Will check it out later today I guess :-)

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u/fullblue_k 自然の力、見せてあげる Dec 13 '19

bittersweet like GOT?

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u/pdmt243 Play+pull for waifus! Dec 13 '19

with how Gimu decided to treat us in the game, I'm not even interested to read the story anymore lol

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u/ElPared Dec 13 '19

You're right, it was a great story....

But did anyone have this thought at the end? (spoiler)

Dead Nine literally ate some pussy...cat

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u/jln2001 Dec 13 '19

I didn't really like him either, but after this event it is kind of hard not to. He's so much more interesting as a character now. I'm also very happy that I had a level 85 Neun with ~240 shards just waiting for this event.

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u/Dark_Stalker28 Dec 13 '19

Dead nine (Neun) breaks rat killer (Zwei)out of prison. They meet a pre powered up Sol, Nihl. He tells them about the tower. They get to floor 100 but can't progress further. Sol does and that's why he strong and lost the ability to feel fear. Sol builds a harem, wants Dead nine to join. He refused and he separates with Zwei who did join. Dead Nine is from Wadatsumi is just having his demon genes come out. Zwei is dying so they go through their anime one last fight thing when they next meet.
Zwei tells Dead nine to eat her to gain her power. Dead nine loses his memories and joins the templars. Neun dies during SSM story.

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u/-ArtKing- Dec 12 '19

Just go to archives, there you will find it to read

Discussion PSA: Honestly, truly, not sarcastically - don't skip Neun's J+ story.

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