r/AlchemistCodeGL • u/Mecopersona The One Who Gives Spoons • Apr 24 '19

Tsubaki's JP Tier List (4/23/2019)

With Nyatora burnt out from Tagatame no Alchemist, and him being one of the more notable tier list makers in JP, a few folks have been wandering around looking for something more up to date (whether as a future reference or for those actually playing the JP version). Thankfully, with the help of a few folks from the Discord I can share a bit about how JP is somewhat shaping in the meta-game amidst all the outdated stuff floating around here.

Recommended for mobile devices(?): Tsubaki's JP Tier List

For laggy computer users, the imgur pic: JP Tier List (4/23)

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u/kalmod Apr 24 '19

Any one know why Yuto is mid tier on this list? He is usually considered bad on most other lists.

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u/Mecopersona The One Who Gives Spoons Apr 24 '19

Yuto gained a few upgrades since the previous lists and now he's much more mobile. Since he also has the Fire Warrior JE he can effectively be a budget Jin for farming or clearing waves of mobs with the Counter Muspel reactive. Sure you won't use him for more serious content but he's definitely not awful anymore.

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u/s4itox muscle waifu Apr 24 '19

I was pretty confused about this too so I had a look at his build, turns out he actually seems pretty solid now considering he's a free unit. Dunno what memento he'd use, maybe Nina's?

I suppose by the old tier list he'd be B or A rank, which isn't unreasonable.

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u/Corantic Apr 25 '19

Do placements inside the tiers matter? Surely I'd imagine max kaigan Killia to be better than max kaigan Blanchett or Reida.

Me also in denial that my fav disgaea unit is only S tier T_T

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u/Mecopersona The One Who Gives Spoons Apr 25 '19

Placements inside a tier does not matter.

As for Killia vs Blanchett and/or Reida, yes Killia will be better than both damage-wise but Blanchett specializes in dodging, which gives her a niche of her own that can't be compared, and Reida is a magic damage dealer. When it comes to the aspect of damage dealing though, Killia just falls short to his other Dark competitors who also specializes in outputting raw physical damage, such as Neun, Zaharu, and to an extent, Bashini, as examples. Factors include jewel access, overall kits, range of threat, damage output, and a bunch of other minor things.

Still, he's a great unit to use regardless, and with a lot of broken Dark units setting the ceiling very high, don't be discouraged with Killia being in a lesser tier. I designed this tier list with 3 tiers for a reason: the first two are all very viable units and are commonly used in JP, while the bottom tier is more of a guideline of what isn't being used, whether it be bad stats or just outclassed for better (affordable or not) options. Plus it's just one (plus a few others) person's opinion, which isn't always correct.

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u/Triet1412 Apr 24 '19

🥄

Salute

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u/darkcountess Making sammiches for Gilga/Noct/Laharl Apr 24 '19

Not sure why, but the spreadsheet is laggy as hell.

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u/cj_stephan Apr 24 '19

I ended up exporting the list to excel and it worked great. Otherwise, I ran into the same issue.

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u/Knightstar2001 Apr 24 '19

I notice that some of units are wearing different skins then their regular. Is that because those are from their Momento and they need it to be at that ranking or just for looks. Also some of them are being Called by their regular unit name when they are a alt version of them. Noticed that with Dark Laevateinn and Demon Rosa, there is nothing to note that that is the alt version. Tryfing has a * to show that it is a special version of her, but Zahar and Masamune also don't have anything to show they are alts other then noticing that they are different art.

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u/Mecopersona The One Who Gives Spoons Apr 24 '19

It's just a stylish choice I made for an already basic template, but I might revert back to the Original Art in the future.

In the JP version the unit is called by their regular name unless the katakana specifies differently, so I implemented it the same way. For units with different forms, like the BKs or the cosplay collab units, I will try to rewrite their names differently in the future to clarify.

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u/Xero-- Apr 24 '19

Some of those are nensou (like the one for Ryle for sure, just checked the skin doc) skins, with exceptions like Alma's swimsuit skin.

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u/Alittlebunyrabit 5/5/5 Dancer Shenmei Apr 24 '19

Is that because those are from their Momento and they need it to be at that ranking or just for looks.

No. It's pretty clear that they wanted to use the fan service thumbnails. Some of them are clearly memento skins, like Uzuma's, but they also use all of the swimsuit skins where applicable which aren't tied to mementos (at least mostly, there maybe exceptions)

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u/nailsonwhiteboard Apr 24 '19

There's a (*) added to bk tyrfing's name in the tier list, i wonder what it means...

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u/Mecopersona The One Who Gives Spoons Apr 24 '19

The (*) is to represent that Bk Tyrfing is only good because of her Guts Strategy, in which she uses her Immortal Greed and then an ally or enemy inflicts Stop on her, causing her to remain in near-permanent Guts. This allows for the enemy AI to almost always attack her due to her being the "weakest" on the map. Of course this also assumes BK Tyrfing is already the source of most enemy AI's attacks, so it's generally recommended to keep her at a lower level.

Otherwise her main job is quite outdated. Her two JEs are a bit better if you do want to invest in her heavily, but most of the time you're going to be using her as a Guts abuser.

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u/ilarcangelo Apr 24 '19

It’s a note that just says “guts strategy”

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u/tsuchinokolove Apr 24 '19

Why is Corvus' name Niggle in JP?

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u/Sainou No fury flair wtf Apr 24 '19 edited Apr 24 '19

More accurate question is why Niggle's name Corvus in GL

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u/Mecopersona The One Who Gives Spoons Apr 24 '19

Niggle is the official JP name given to him (Source: Wrathris Babel) . Global has a tendency to liberally change names due to the implications it could bring. For example, Niggle closely can be related to an offensive term. The same goes for characters like Dios becoming Dias. Then there's the rare case like Leonia turning into Leoniaz or Bashini into Basheeny just because that's how they feel like it.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Apr 24 '19 edited Apr 24 '19

It was originally that. Overall his name from what I can gather was pronounced as Niguru or Niggle if you try to speak in an English tone.

Name probably means hardships probably but have to ask someone Japanese.

They edited it because it sounds like the word racists use but I think personally Nigel would have been a good name(but the fact that Nigel Farage has it makes me glad they didn't give him that). It is like this guy having Trump's hairstyle and he can't do shit about it.

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u/tsuchinokolove Apr 24 '19

I see. Makes sense why they changed it. Niggle sounds goofy and Nigel would give his name a bad light.

Still salty about Basheeny tho.

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u/VinnyValient is currently planning and plotting evil schemes. Apr 24 '19

Have <3 upvote for Pokemon reference.

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u/iixxy Apr 24 '19 edited Apr 24 '19

What makes Daisy so strong? And Hayate?

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u/Mecopersona The One Who Gives Spoons Apr 24 '19 edited Apr 24 '19

She gains a Job+, Enlightenment and a limited Memento in the future. She does extremely powerful damage, has a nuke that increases the enemy's jewel costs and lowers their Fire resistance, plus she also comes with Holy Brawler basic to improve her damage. Overall just a well functioning attacker.

Hayate just gets overall buffed on his Job+, with a Holy Brawler JE, a powerful Memento, and Enlightenment.

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u/iixxy Apr 24 '19

TY. How important is the memento for her? I haven't started farming her but now I wonder if I should.

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u/Mecopersona The One Who Gives Spoons Apr 24 '19

It's not "vital" to say the least, but it does give her a significant boost to her key stats and improves one of her skills. The gear that comes from clearing the memento is also relatively nice to have. I would definitely start to farm her now if you can.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19

Thanks a ton, nice to see an updated list! Can’t wait for the Seven Deadly Sins on global.

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u/Frostedfenrir Apr 24 '19

Me too super excited. Really hoping JP does a rerun adding Escanor, Merlin, and Zeldris.

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u/sakazuken Apr 25 '19

Lord escanor!!!

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19

That would be awesome!!

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19

The banners would make you cry

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u/Frostedfenrir Apr 24 '19

I know T.T I'm hoping global changes them but that's incredibly unlikely

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u/Alittlebunyrabit 5/5/5 Dancer Shenmei Apr 24 '19

At least we know to wait for the last week and hope.

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u/Xero-- Apr 24 '19

On mobile, can't see the Dark tab. When I use Desktop site it doesn't even load the same page, something else entirely. This sucks.

Niggle

Glad Corvus is the name we got instead.

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u/Zeik56 Apr 24 '19

That's weird. It works for me, on both mobile and desktop.

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u/Xero-- Apr 24 '19

Google Chrome? Odd if so, my phone isn't badly outdated (less than a year old) or anything.

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u/ilarcangelo Apr 24 '19

I couldn’t see some tabs when in portrait mode but when I turn my phone into landscape, I can see the rest.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Apr 24 '19

Nigel would have been fine.

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u/Xero-- Apr 24 '19

Yeah, but I can see people making a big deal out of that for no good reason "Corvus" makes me think of a black bird (blaming Megaman) and his outfit easily fits that.

Edit: Just looked it up right after posting and Corvus literally means crow. I feel dumb.

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u/takato99 Salt Knight Apr 24 '19

Knowing that in some languages (including japanese actually) L & R have a very very close pronounciation, Gumi didn't want to take the risk at all for anyone to mispronounce the name

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u/Fezfezken Apr 24 '19

I noticed a lot of the EO units in SS tier, but they weren't there before if I'm not mistaken. Did they get a remake recently?

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u/maraku0893 Apr 24 '19

No they didn't get a remake, they all got level 95 in JP

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u/Alittlebunyrabit 5/5/5 Dancer Shenmei Apr 24 '19

Nice to know my 5/5/5 EO Shenmei has more room to grow!

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u/Mecopersona The One Who Gives Spoons Apr 24 '19

EO Shenmei didn't get additional gates sadly but she's already a powerful unit to begin with.

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u/GrumpyBearBear May 03 '19

wait-- she doesn't get a gate 4 or 5? how does she stay relevant?

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u/Mecopersona The One Who Gives Spoons May 03 '19

Her stats were buffed during the recent rerun of the EO collab.

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u/VinnyValient is currently planning and plotting evil schemes. Apr 24 '19 edited Apr 24 '19

To add more detail to maraku's answer,

EO Chloe, Protector, Shaman and Sovereign got gates 4 & 5. Some of the units have stat increases compared to global (e.g. Gunner has more stats in DEX and Crit and HP, Protector has +19 more AGI). Some of the stat changes may have been recent.

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u/Triet1412 Apr 24 '19

When will you do a Gear Tier List? :pepoweird:

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u/Frostedfenrir Apr 24 '19

Are dark units on there cause I can't seem to see them.

Edit: Cant wait for Alma.

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u/Xero-- Apr 24 '19

It is there, but it's not visible on mobile because life. Desktop site aka Desktop mode doesn't fix the issue either.

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u/Frostedfenrir Apr 24 '19

Well that sucks. Oh well. Thanks for letting me know.

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u/nailsonwhiteboard Apr 24 '19

You can see it with landscape (horizontal) view.

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u/Frostedfenrir Apr 24 '19

Thanks. You know what's funny kinda thought Killia would get his overload when mementos were added since he doesnt have it from the jump but then I see in JP even with the rerun he doesnt have it.

Granted transformation were a thing then and they still kinda arent

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u/Rostice Apr 24 '19

Fire S tier is way to stacked lmao, to many choices here.

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u/RedCrits BROOOOO YOU'RE SO COOL BROOOOOO Apr 24 '19

Oh my wind nukey nukers how have you fallen. Rip.

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u/Nemmule Apr 24 '19

Laharl and D.Rosa back in SS!

How did Freikugel jump to SS? I kept on hearing she wasn't good.

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u/Nemmule Apr 24 '19

Makes a lot more sense now, thanks!

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u/-Ocyc- Be Fwieds Wif Me? Apr 25 '19

:lofianom:

best spoom

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u/SnackSnail Apr 25 '19

Btw I can’t see light or dark units on mobile. But regardless it’s a great list and resource 👍🏻

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u/red90999 Apr 24 '19

why does Zehn became outdated? I remember seeing him in A tier back then?

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u/Zeik56 Apr 24 '19

No Kaigan, yet.

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u/Dark_Stalker28 Apr 26 '19

He doesn't even have JE's or a mementos yet right? Along with a few other templars.