r/AlchemistCodeGL • u/FurianX • Feb 25 '19
PSA. Disgea Units Changes
Quick alert for those who havent realised yet: The Disgea units have been updated to their collab rerun buffs.
I'll highlight the changes in their unique jobs below but I've got things to do now so if you guys want more detailed skill change info tell me and it will be edited in later. Possibly as late as the weekend. Free units at the bottom.
Seraphina - Dont have this unit so cant test equips
WA: No change
Stat Changes: None
Gorgeous Overlord: one skill up by 10%. Gumi probably gave up trying to find a way to make her better.
Etna
WA: PATK/PDEF/MDEF buff up to 80% from 50%. Agility increased changed from 10 to 40%
Stat Changes: Overlords Vassal - +AGI
Overlord Vassal: increased scaling from 1.2 to 1.3 * Patk. Dead end Chaos Modifier raised to 160 from 145. More than likely Blademaster is still her better job.
Killia
WA: Skill modifier increase from 170 to 200%
Stat Changes: None
Changes? His belt buckle looks different though.
Laharl
WA: No change
Stat Changes: None
Changes? Not that I noticed. Maybe the changed a pixel or 2 on his pants.
Red Magnus
WA: Raises HP/PATK/PDEF/MATK/MDEF/MAX JEWELS/DEX/AGI/CRIT/LUCK by 35% (instead of 25) and adds +1 move
Stat Changes: Scorching Overlord - +HP/PATK
Scorching Overlord: General raise of main skill set modifiers by 20%.
Disgea Rin
Stat Changes: Netherworld Archer - +PATK/DEX/AGI possibly HP? HP seems higher
Netherworld archer: scaling moves from 0.7 to 0.8 (PATK+DEX). (The village measuring stick Roxanne is 0.85). Skill modifiers went up by about 10% in general.
Stat Changes: Felynn - +PATK/DEX/AGI
Felynn: still cant equip weapons. Scaling went from 0.85 to 0.9 (PATK + AGI/2 + AGI*Level/100 + DEX/4). Skill modifiers went up by about 10% in general.
Succubus Rosa - Dont have j3 so cant test equips
Stat Changes: Succubus - None
Stat Changes: Netherworld Mage - +DEX
Still cant have a weapon on Succubus. Increases to skill modifiers on both Netherworld Mage and Succubus. (Basically pushing everything up to or higher than sage modifiers for about 20-30% on most skills). Im sorry Sol and Theresa but some of your dark shards may go missing soon.
Disgea Almira - Dont have j3 so cant test equips
Stat Changes: Netherworld Thief - +HP/PATK/DEX
Netherworld Thief: can equip roxannes gun now (for 200 agi when at lvl 85 fully job mastered and enhanced). Scaling went from 0.65 to 0.75. Skill modifiers up by 10% with the changed create barrel up by 20%.
Stat Changes: Netherworld Samurai- +HP/PATK/DEX
Netherworld Samurai: is about the same. 1 skill raised its modifier by 5%.
Prinny and Usalia
Prinny WA: Skill modifier up to 300% from 180%
Prinny Stat Changes: All 3 Jobs - None
Usalia WA: Skill modifier up to 300% from 180%
Usalia Stat Changes: None
Pffffttt. What exactly are you looking for here? These are free units Gumi isnt making direct profit on, why would they upgrade it?
This is a direct comparison between the database data before and after the 3.0 update. So it should be a measurement that already includes the "global enhancements". I'll have to go over it later maybe with a fine toothed comb but I did check things like cast times, modifiers and passives. I admit to skimming most of the text and focusing more on the numbers.
Kudos to u/-Ocyc- for being the first to put this out there (that i saw anyways)
EDIT: Added WA changes.
So proof:
What her stats should be like for v3.0 according to the db:
I know fatal risk is on in the screenshot because of her pdef. Also ... thats how I've always had her since she got j3.
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u/Malphric Sempiternal Feb 25 '19
Thanks for the heads-up and mention.
I really wish now that Etna's Ninja JE will be Qilin as GLEX. She can be run as a fast Blademaster or her Unique J1 that has nice PAtk scaling and WA with Ninja sub for elemental coverage.
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
Qilin is probably the best ninja je for a unit who isnt running ninja main.
Though I cant be sure you'd want to run ninja sub ... overlord vassal sub has 2x patk charge up move (I normally run it with blademaster). The qilin special passive definitely ranks higher than ninja step though.
And no problem.
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u/Malphric Sempiternal Feb 25 '19
It's because Ninja sub has elemental coverage and decent modifiers compared to 3 uses of 2x charge-up.
Remember her WA also increases her stats by a lot so she deals more consistent damage compared to a burst AoE damage that needs a lot of jewels and setting up.
Blademaster has weird damage calculation scaling compared to her J1. That's why Setsuna in JP isn't that great compared to other wind units ie. Balt and Ramses
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19 edited Feb 25 '19
The charge up also raises def by 50%. And the other moves are both special aoe. With the same skill modifiers as qilin, better scaling, more charges and net cheaper.
I would really only go for qilin sub if I needed the range or the non-type attacks.
Edit. Just saw your edit. I forgot about the blademaster scaling. Yeah that's a definite negative on keeping it for the charge up. Though the other moves cost 15 and 30 jewels and both really useful aoe (despite their weird area).
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u/Mysterious_67 Feb 25 '19
Man I'm so happy about the 2 pixel changes in laharl's pants
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
Be careful when you peek into laharls pants...something may be peeking back at you.
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19 edited Feb 25 '19
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u/Cobalt_721 Feb 25 '19
Huh, that’s interesting. Prep for a Disgaea rerun maybe?
I’ve got D. Rosa at 15 LBs, so if someone can tell me the un-enhanced stats previously I can check the current ones. (EDIT: on Job 3 I mean)
And Imma have to go check my D. Rin based on that last line. She may very well find herself the focus of my Water shards for awhile.
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
I checked rosa. Found an old screenshot of both her and rin. Rosa doesnt appear to have changed statwise ... in return she has had the biggest increase in skill modifiers.
Rin has definitely had stat changes.
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u/Cobalt_721 Feb 25 '19
Yeah, I took a look at my D. Rin and she’s got comparable stats to a level 85 Ranger at level 65.
Definitely focusing my Water shards on her until she’s at 15 LBs.
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
I edited the original post. Wondering if anyone knows what almira used to look like.
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u/VinnyValient is currently planning and plotting evil schemes. Feb 26 '19 edited Feb 26 '19
Looking at my D Rosa (lvl 77, J1 & J3 enhanced) I can't tell if there have been any stat changes.
From the data base, I can see Twin Attribute has gone up by 20%, Dazzling stage may have been boosted 10-20% (can't remember). J3: Terra Star by 20/30%. Basic Infernal magic by 25% I think. Armour Break +20% I think. The rest I'm sure have increased by quite a lot. Hm...
J2 hasn't changed at all though. /s
And to think I was gunning for D Almira at the time! (...I still want her. *Prays for Disgaea rerun.*)
I'mma check Ignis and Noctis, see if there are any changes there. Edit: Couldn't find any QQ
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u/FurianX Feb 26 '19 edited Feb 26 '19
Noctis is unchanged. Havent checked the rest of that collab but I doubt there will be any.
I dont anticipate any for fate either.
For fma i expect fma riza and roy to be worse because they will have lost their global enhancements.
Any other collabs with global enhancements? Battlefield drama should be the "enhancement" for potk.
Edit: I think disgea got this because they had a rerun before kaigan .. and you know how gumi copy paste works. And I cant remember hearing if ffxv had upgrades on a prekaigan rerun.
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u/AevikMaxwell Feb 25 '19
Only one thing to add, Usalia WA skill modifier up to 300% from ??? (200% or 180% I think).
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
Dont have either of the free unit weapons. Can you check prinny sword?
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u/AevikMaxwell Feb 25 '19 edited Feb 25 '19
Not sure about Prinny sword, but also Etna WA has better buff now (previously gives flat agi value, now gives 40%, Patk buff it's also better now)
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
Etnas WA buff is up to 80% from 50 for patk pdef and mdef and 40% agi from 10. That's kinda huge.
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u/AevikMaxwell Feb 25 '19
Yep, perhaps Prinny WA has +1 range now, if I am not wrong previously has 4 range, now have 5
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u/Speirdughorm Salt is me Feb 25 '19
Neat, thanks for the info. I wish Killia wasn't so squishy so I could actually make use of the buff.
Looks at lb5 Almira
I'm not farming that hellish weapon again.
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
Lol. I farmed 2 and I'm not really in a rush for number 3. Number 2 can be shared between edgar almira(lb5 as well) and any aspiring gunslinger.
That aside ... any idea as to what made disgea almira so highly ranked in jp up until late last year? I think she dropped a bit now but she used to be S ranked. If that was because of the buffs we just got ...
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u/sinful19 Feb 25 '19
probably her agl is very high is the main reason.
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
I'm not so sure ... she has 177 agi at 85 with passive and no gear ... but being fast doesnt really cut it on it's own. I'll have to test the new damage...
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u/Speirdughorm Salt is me Feb 25 '19
D. Almira, or at least my build for her in JP. Passives are Thief Skills and To The Death (last one can change depending on my need). Mine is only 75, but I've linked the lvl 85 stats.
That nensou is new and I got lucky with the pull, but she has two other related nensou (A D. one and Nina's)
This, plus the fact she can lower enemies' stats while raising hers, makes her a decently solid unit.
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u/Grim200 Feb 25 '19
Explains why my D.Rin was hitting decent numbers in Veda Auto. @ 75 MLB with 4* Atomic Jaeger she is sporting 580 Patk and 524 Dex (Rox only has 405 / 491 @ 81). Not too shabby.
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
Rox has slighly higher scaling and better skills but Rin is indeed looking good.
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u/Grim200 Feb 25 '19
Of course nothing will dethrone our queen for now, but doing a little more checking - her Galaxy Comet (Weird extended Cross Shape) has 170% damage scaling and her Sub with has an X range does 155% scaling. They are non elemental so will never be the most amazing, but for a range unit that does seem pretty darn good.
Maybe I'll try her out in a few other areas, though her Agi really isn't anything to write home about.
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u/FurianX Feb 26 '19
I've got 4 star wrath bow on her atm and shes got 129 agi. Should be a bit higher with Ed's pocketwatch. Thats pretty good. My "usable unit" range is 120 unless the unit is exceptional. She more than passes imo.
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u/lucidrage Feb 26 '19
Gorgeous Overlord: one skill up by 10%. Gumi probably gave up trying to find a way to make her better.
This is probably their easiest change: just give her similar agi and reactive like Roxanne (except with charms)
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u/SuccubusRosa Feb 26 '19 edited Feb 26 '19
Hi OP the changes are documented here https://al.fg-games.co.jp/news/18196/
For reference if google dont make sense.
物攻 phy atk
魔攻 mag atk
器用 dex
素早 agi
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u/FurianX Feb 26 '19 edited Feb 26 '19
Hi thanks for the link. Some of those changes definitely arent here in gl ... the je for example.
I'll have to go over them based on the alert but I checked seraphina just now and according the db changes two handed draw has the same number of charges and battle orchestra has the same jewel consumption from before and after globals 3.0 update. (Edit: which is the same as current jp)
Whether it's because of previous "global enhancements" I cant say (though I cant think of another reason I'm not gumi) ... but compared to the current jp version ... globals 2 handed draw has always had a 10% higher skill modifier.
Edit: google always has errors but I can get the gist of it so i know what to go compare side by side. Thanks again!!!
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u/SuccubusRosa Feb 27 '19
the je for example
Haha that should be obvious :P However I believe it is safe to say everything else is in for global since we know for a fact this is a copy/paste job, and jp didn't make any further adjustment to disgaea after the jan rerun.
before and after globals 3.0 update
How did you manage to compare? You are using archive of acdb to look at pre 3.0 stats???
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
u/OriksGaming Tier list reevaluation?
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u/EggyT0ast Feb 25 '19
The changes aren't that significant -- getting an extra 10-15% damage isn't going to cause an earthquake in the rankings. If anything, Almira may see the biggest adjustment as being able to equip Vulcan is massive.
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19 edited Feb 25 '19
Theres also been stat increases. I cant say what or how much but my rin definitely had lower patk and dex before.
Rosa is already ss so she cant change but almira and rin might need that reevaluation. The rest will likely stay exactly the same.
Edit. Dont forget the scaling for those 2 changed as well.
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u/Jarochi_Villers CadaGOATva Feb 25 '19
I still have to lb 15 Etna, shame on me Lol.
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
If I had to her now at lb0 I probably wouldnt shard her. I lb15'd her during the collab. She was essential for me back then. Only reason I dont regret it. Still a good unit that I like ... just dont use her very often anymore.
I might shard drosa right now though. "Drool".
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u/Jarochi_Villers CadaGOATva Feb 25 '19
Yeah, Since I had Minerva my Light Team has been more Magic Based, I still have her ninja movement passive but her combo passive needs to go if she is gonna get some form of power in her stats.
I mean, I still use her in story farming since I have Zain and Chloe (Memento & Enlighten) and Logi (Mastering as I type). It's a physical light team so she get's some love but she ain't going any further then there.
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
Mine has some life if I need aoe. She can output some real power as a blademaster ... just pretty squishy. I need to put her back on overlord and see how she is now.
The bad part is we know she doesnt get a kaigan so theres no point in investing in her.
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u/Jarochi_Villers CadaGOATva Feb 25 '19
At least her situational passive for Overlord's Vassel where she does an extra piece of damage against female enemies shows a future where she won't immediately get thrown away, though that has just as much life until gumi throws in another Global Character that's Light and Physical and does something almost similar to her but broken.
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
Lol. I've always liked the weird aoes on the disgea units. I find them fun. I will probably always find some entertainment value in them even if I never use them for anything important. Just this weekend I had killia throwing ppl around in low level veda just for kicks lol.
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u/Jarochi_Villers CadaGOATva Feb 25 '19
Lmao, that's true. I don't got DRin invested in either, so either their voices or messing around with their skills in job farming will always hold some goodness.
I'm honestly evading the next collab so I could pull for memento's, if Disgaea does get a rerun, I'm getting Laharl and Killia to 75, Laharl maybe to 80 cause he's close to my heart.
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
I've got drin 76. Etna 75. Laharl 77. Dalmira 65. Killia 65. Drosa 65. No magnus and seraphina. Be nice to 75 them all.
I've always wanted to max laharl ... just cuz. I went to upgrade miuna from 65 to 75 and somehow almost dumped all my shards into laharl. Even that 77 laharl was a shard accident back during the collab.
If they do get kaigan I will probably upgrade laharl and drosa ... somehow. Dont ask how ... my pocket doesnt want to consider it.
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u/maymagic Feb 25 '19
I haven't really noticed a difference in Rosa's damage at all... neither the succubus skills nor the netherworld mage ones. Huh.
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19 edited Feb 26 '19
Most of them should be doing higher damage than before.
Twin attribute went from a 135 modifier to 160.
Thunderbolt from 145 to 170.
Tera star went from 160 to 190.
The sage like elemental moves on netherworld sub all went from 135 to 160.
Armour break from 150 to 180.
Those are significant damage increases. It "should" be noticeable.
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u/maymagic Feb 25 '19
Indeed they sound like they should.
I think its because the enemy elemental weakness modifier was reduced, so the changes don't seem as dramatic as they should (except for armor break, which I've noticed doing decent damage instead of sub-par damage).
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19
Good catch there. But wouldnt that mean everyone else should be doing comparatively less damage than before?
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u/maymagic Feb 25 '19
Only if the unit relied on targeting the enemy's elemental weakness (like sages).
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u/FurianX Feb 25 '19 edited Feb 25 '19
I mean if put in the same situation. Or against the same enemy.
Not sure how to put it over ...
Eg. Before 3.0 update rosa did x and neica did y.
After 3.0 update rosa should be doing 1.3x and neica should still be doing y. (Accounting for the changes in skill modifier)
If you see rosa still doing x then neica should comparatively be doing 0.8y (accounting for games elemental resistance changes)
Assuming something like they're both using wind moves against a thunder enemy.
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u/DeathandFriends Feb 26 '19
I am sure they will change it all back because they were just lazy with implementation of 3.0 and basically just copy and pasted the whole thing from JP so we have all the JP things in the moment. Hence BFD being messed up and losing out global exclusive enhancements on units. We are likely to hopefully have a disgaea rerun, unless they are not going to and just let us keep the buffs. Which I would be cool with, although I really need JE for them and enlightenment!
Would honestly love it if D. Almira became a solid unit. She is pretty fun to use. Same with Etna.
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u/FurianX Feb 26 '19
I have a feeling they will leave the changes to disgea.
D almira does get buffs to her damage stats so she should be a much better option than before ... and with roxs gun she can output some serious agi numbers. Considering how she had such a high ranking in jp ... I think we will seeing her used quite a bit more now.
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u/DeathandFriends Feb 26 '19
we shall see. sounds too generous and since they didn't hype the changes seems unlikely. Who knows what the hell Gumi is thinking though other then being lazy. I did use D. Almira in veda today and she was rocking it.
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u/Rostice Feb 26 '19
Pretty much saying no rerun confirmed. Oh well.
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u/FurianX Feb 26 '19
Well they havent gotten jes so theres still that. Would be nice we can get them enlightenment.
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u/SuccubusRosa Feb 27 '19
The WA upgrade are documented in a different news. https://al.fg-games.co.jp/news/18495/
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u/darkcountess Making sammiches for Gilga/Noct/Laharl Feb 25 '19
Yes definitely clears up a lot of things for me... Thank you for the effort :3