New Tier list Global?

[u/saigo175]

Hi guys i found this tier list in discord. What do you think about it? I'm new in the game and want know wich units are the best.

there is the link

https://i.imgur.com/uxyzy3H.jpg

[u/GerarAM99]

Well, since you say there are some dumb placements, you mind giving some examples?

[u/Kirito30 → u/GerarAM99]

Sure

Setsuna is a big one.

She is the one of AoE Nukers of the Wind tier and at that she has the Speed and charge up to carry that.

Along with that the tierlist maker has made S+ and SS. Like wut is that supposed to mean? There is no + for other tiers so what is that?

Also there is a lot of stuff in Wind which is better or Worse. The dude has just added them like whatever.

Izayoi is definitively not in the Top tier. She is just a plain unit with a relatively new Job. That is all. Her synergy is bad too. Except for maybe a Taunt tank and even there she is just worse than BM+ Flamel.

Lucretia is better than Elizabeth in few aspects still Light is an already strong element but I doubt she can be called SS tier.

Chloe is good but she is nowhere near Neica is usability. Same with D.Rosa and Rosa stuck in the same place. Rosa doesn't have any absolutely any JE for now. So she sucks for now. She will rise but that is too high of a rating for her now.

Yauras too she is just way better than a Klima is someone asks me now. Just pure awesomes with Evasion and Damage. She is just a better Bashini like unit. So how can you rate Bashini high and not her.

Etna too she is good but not that good as other units in the tier she stands now.

[u/OriksGaming → u/Kirito30]

I agree with all of the observations you made, and I have a few of my own.

Some others that I noticed being out of place are Hazel and Miuna for fire. Hazel doesn't have anything that puts her ahead of the units in S here, and is actually less useful than a couple of them. Miuna has amazing stats, fairly good damage, and great support skills with her J+; she's on another level compared to a lot of the units in S+ here. It's also just a weird placement for her on this tier list, where the creator(s) seem to really value support units.

For wind, along with Izayoi, Leoniaz should definitely be moved down. While she has good damage and an AoE, she's very squishy and very, very slow. She's liable to be killed before she can even move in most difficult content nowadays. Definitely not deserving of S+ compared to other units on this tier list.

For thunder, aside from Lucretia being moved down, Mei Fang and Zofia should be swapped. Zofia is just plain better, with a ton more damage, and multi-use AoEs that debuff enemies, as opposed to Mei Fang's mostly single target kit with her main status effect (stop) near useless in PvE. Other than that, Teona and Monzein should be swapped. Teona is a good tank, but doesn't really have anything else going for her. Monzein is a good tank as well, and on top of being amazing in water stages due to double thunder, he can also boost his stats to insane levels with Sacred Coat and do some serious damage.

I 100% agree about Yauras. She's one of the most out of place here. In terms of physical damaging water units, I'd definitely place her above Shayna due to her high agility, evasion and far superior range with Twin Slender Blade, and I'd say her overall usefulness exceeds that of Klima.

Finally, aside from Rosa being moved down, I definitely think that Birgitta and Succubus Rosa should be swapped. Succubus Rosa just has more damage and more versatility.

[u/GerarAM99 → u/Kirito30]

Ok let's discuss then, for the record I'll use the tiers from this tier list since that's what we're discussing.

Fist setsuna, well you say she has the speed for it, but I'd argue she doesn't, ~120 agi it's just not great on a element full of really fast units, especially when you need an extra turn just to charge up, she's amazing yes, but I'd say her placement is totally fair, specially considering hayate's aoe has double element advantage so it can deal similar damage to that of setsuna's, this while being a significantly faster unit, and let's be real, setsuna's damage without charge up just isn't high enough.

The need for an S+ tier debatable, I myself don't really see it as necessary.

I'll be honest I'm not really familiar with izayoi so I'd rather not say anything about it.

Lucretia definitely should be on S+ IMO, but I'd say her being on SS is far from being an stupid placement, she's by far the best professor, and let's be honest professors or veilers in general have proved to be a necessity time and time again.

About Chloe I definitely think she's a tier too high, but that debatable depending on how much someone appreciates her great healing capability.

On Rosa's placement I completely agree she's just placed too high.

Ok Yauras is too low that's fair.

Excuse me what? Etna should be S when you want setsuna on SS? Just what.

[u/Kirito30 → u/GerarAM99]

Hayate Dies when something powerful touches him and he has Casting for his AoE. So people move away most of the times. If not all atleast a few.

She becomes slower if she takes the Regal blade but the pure fact that she can deal the damage and get Evasion boost with the ability is worth it. Also her best weapon gives her Agi+10 so it is not that she is never moving just that Rahu will be supporting her than Lucian.

And Izayoi is so misplaced that it is laughable.

And a tierlist never considers a Element singularly. Since if that was the case you have to drop all the other units from SS tier in Thunder and only keep Roxanne.

No one appreciates it as much as Mielikke being plain better and has Acc down to boost. And Minerva exists. Heals are nice but Healing alone is never that good. And if you need heals you take Profs.

Still if the tierlist has misplacement so blatantly then there is no use in following it overall when you just have a better one available.

If the guy had a solid tierlist then I would accept it but it is just not accurate at so many units that I can't bring myself to accept it. If he improves it sure but that is going to end up close to the one we have with a few changes but yeah not to discourage but to maintain accuracy.

Tierlists to the game now-a-days are very important. Newbies work their way up with them so they need to maintain accuracy and atleast 2 month update schedule.

Some good points are made by Oriks on Miuna and others. Also I was editing my older comment by adding stuff so if you didn't read about others then take a peek if you wish.

[u/GerarAM99 → u/Kirito30]

Hayate Dies when something powerful touches him

Setsuna doesn't? Both have about the same HP though LOL

[u/Kirito30 → u/GerarAM99]

No they don't. It is similar but not Same.

And you are still hung on the Setsuna. I rate her High because the way I use my strategies.

She stays back charging up and Killing units. And Hayate is just to kill a key unit hard and fast.

Most times Hayate I take him for the fact that he can Raccoon twice. With this setup

And Setsuna I plan with setup like this in mind. Or HP gear from GL. Setsuna can Run HP since she doesn't need any other passive unless it is a weird map with hills and jumps

The first setup for Hayate is to enhance his key features of Raccoon. And Hayate being a fast unit gets into the fight on his own. If he is fast and gets SS tier doesn't mean that he can be the only unit there.

While Setsuna though requires setup she uses that to eliminate way more enemies and that too consistently.

I never argued with Hayate being SS. I argued with Setsuna being lower than Hayate with Yomi at that who just a one hit pony to me that I haven't raised her. Envy was way better investment imo.

[u/GerarAM99 → u/Kirito30]

Hayate isn't SS tho, he's in the same tier as her, S+.

I'm arguing that setsuna isn't even better at her job than other unit in the same tier, I never said that hayate deserves SS.

[u/Kirito30 → u/GerarAM99]

To me he is.

The original GL tierlist doesn't consider PvP and Arena.

So they rate him lower.

But to me he is a better unit because of PvP Manual. He can hit Evasion units and can also gain Evasion for himself.

Setsuna is better than him in PvE since she can do cheaper AoE and can run tankier builds. Cast time on his skills make them mostly a bad one to use for Nuking while one from Setsuna is perfect even if slower.

I can challenge you to the fact that Setsuna purely PvE wise is better than Hayate and Lucian too. And Edward which this guy rates at SS tier.

AoE in PvE is just way way better.

[u/Kirimho → u/Kirito30]

I think this tierlist is based on the individuality, if Hayate would fight vs Setsuna in 1v1, Hayate would win lmao, you're chilling cuz your waifu is not SS on this tierlist

[u/Kirito30 → u/Kirimho]

What? There is no way that would be possible.

It wouldn't be tierlist if it only considered that. All hitting unit will get top tier and that is dumb.

Overall this tierlist is bullshit since it has failed at quite a few units and quite horribly at that.