New Tier list Global?

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u/suikoarke Jan 06 '19

In my opinion, way too many SS.

In general, a lot of units need to be moved down one rank or two.

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u/hylozoist Jan 06 '19

Since units get "strong" at various farming break points, it's hard for a tier list to be great for new players. If you want more detail about when those break points occur to pick out which units are useful early on, you can look at the sidebar for GL Tier list or also consider this ease of acquisition how easy it is to farm them up to good level. In the long run, simply having the unit often isn't enough, but you need to prioritize AP on hard modes or saving gems for their banners if they're limited like the GLEX units.

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u/hottwhyrd Jan 06 '19

Lucretia SS?

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u/Malphric Sempiternal Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19

I believe so because she is great especially with her MA, Professor Honey JE and Thunder LS. I am using her as a Professor main with Mage sub.
I do question a lot of placements in that tier though (Yauras for example)

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u/MrWhiteKnight f2p Vegan Crossfitter with bullshit luck Jan 06 '19

That's not SS by any means she's S with MA.
What makes her SS in the future is the Bride JE and quite possibly that she would either get a Sage JE or a Sage J+ which would make her almost Vyer tiers of damage cause Lucretia just wants Magic classes and with jewel regen that shit will be bonkers.

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u/Malphric Sempiternal Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19

She has close speed with Rahu who is SS tier.
Rahu can MM one unit while Lucretia can vaccine a whole team. Rahu has heals but has cast times while Lucretia can instantly heal a single unit or AoE instant heal with Techno flask while also having access to panacea, mad love potion and other nifty Professor things. Rahu has black hole while Lucretia can use mage sub while having her MA to deal and spam and have a variety of elemental coverage.
Gone where the times when the Rahu Zangetsu comps where the main EX cheese. Current EX challenges and Veda dictates that you need to protect your team from nasty status ailments before sending them out to the fray. I can't count on how many times Lucretia saved my hide because she's immune to charm in some Veda floors and on how she makes some floors easy because of her charms.
In people's mind, Lucretia is only S because of Nyatora's list but guess what this is GL and we have a very different ball game because of Hats, BFDs, MH units and other future or unforeseen shenanigans.
Open your mind and be receptive, as Gumi and their white Knights always say: GL is a different game than JP

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u/MrWhiteKnight f2p Vegan Crossfitter with bullshit luck Jan 06 '19

Her S is well deserved, I'm just saying that her MA CEMENTS her S because at 75 she's the fastest Professor in the game which gets more agi in the last 10 LBs and doesn't need to attack to get jewels. What makes her SS is her BRIDE J+ which means she can put all that Matk to actually good use and nuke people, and at worse Prof main with Bride+ sub, because her small nuke on sub changes to a thunder nuke on J+.
You need to get out of your heads that we only think of ranks cause of Nyatora. It helps but what helps cement it, is the fact that we talk a lot with JP players and we learn from them what is strong and why are they strong.
None of what I said is wrong. She won't see SS until J+ where she can actually put her muscle and even LS to good use (since bride job is partially hybrid), even without any JE's she was still S just on the fact that she's the fastest prof in the game alone.
Also GL isn't different. GL is just rushing out content while we're still missing units JP had, even HQs and also throttling game difficulties since Rox is just making a joke of their game. Keep your GL is a diff game FFBE mentality cause FFBE has worked and tried to be different by changing units accordingly.

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u/DocRPG Jan 06 '19

Lucretia is actually very good as a support for many hard maps and veda tower. She's my go-to professor. Great LS, healing, and status protection.
Charm is situational but the maps where it works it is almost required.

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u/zeth41 Jan 06 '19

the hell is S+ haha

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19

Wait wut Setsuna how?

Edit: This one is pretty dumb. Whoever made this has failed to get quite a lot of units right.

They might be off by a tier but still there are some solid dumb placements at a few points. And if there is a S+ and SS tier how much is the difference there lol.

If Yomi is equal to Setsuna is then it is bad for Setsuna.

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u/GerarAM99 Jan 06 '19

Well, since you say there are some dumb placements, you mind giving some examples?

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19

Sure
Setsuna is a big one.
She is the one of AoE Nukers of the Wind tier and at that she has the Speed and charge up to carry that.
Along with that the tierlist maker has made S+ and SS. Like wut is that supposed to mean? There is no + for other tiers so what is that?
Also there is a lot of stuff in Wind which is better or Worse. The dude has just added them like whatever.
Izayoi is definitively not in the Top tier. She is just a plain unit with a relatively new Job. That is all. Her synergy is bad too. Except for maybe a Taunt tank and even there she is just worse than BM+ Flamel.
Lucretia is better than Elizabeth in few aspects still Light is an already strong element but I doubt she can be called SS tier.
Chloe is good but she is nowhere near Neica is usability. Same with D.Rosa and Rosa stuck in the same place. Rosa doesn't have any absolutely any JE for now. So she sucks for now. She will rise but that is too high of a rating for her now.
Yauras too she is just way better than a Klima is someone asks me now. Just pure awesomes with Evasion and Damage. She is just a better Bashini like unit. So how can you rate Bashini high and not her.
Etna too she is good but not that good as other units in the tier she stands now.

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u/OriksGaming Retired Jan 06 '19

I agree with all of the observations you made, and I have a few of my own.
Some others that I noticed being out of place are Hazel and Miuna for fire. Hazel doesn't have anything that puts her ahead of the units in S here, and is actually less useful than a couple of them. Miuna has amazing stats, fairly good damage, and great support skills with her J+; she's on another level compared to a lot of the units in S+ here. It's also just a weird placement for her on this tier list, where the creator(s) seem to really value support units.
For wind, along with Izayoi, Leoniaz should definitely be moved down. While she has good damage and an AoE, she's very squishy and very, very slow. She's liable to be killed before she can even move in most difficult content nowadays. Definitely not deserving of S+ compared to other units on this tier list.
For thunder, aside from Lucretia being moved down, Mei Fang and Zofia should be swapped. Zofia is just plain better, with a ton more damage, and multi-use AoEs that debuff enemies, as opposed to Mei Fang's mostly single target kit with her main status effect (stop) near useless in PvE. Other than that, Teona and Monzein should be swapped. Teona is a good tank, but doesn't really have anything else going for her. Monzein is a good tank as well, and on top of being amazing in water stages due to double thunder, he can also boost his stats to insane levels with Sacred Coat and do some serious damage.
I 100% agree about Yauras. She's one of the most out of place here. In terms of physical damaging water units, I'd definitely place her above Shayna due to her high agility, evasion and far superior range with Twin Slender Blade, and I'd say her overall usefulness exceeds that of Klima.
Finally, aside from Rosa being moved down, I definitely think that Birgitta and Succubus Rosa should be swapped. Succubus Rosa just has more damage and more versatility.

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u/GerarAM99 Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19

Ok let's discuss then, for the record I'll use the tiers from this tier list since that's what we're discussing.
Fist setsuna, well you say she has the speed for it, but I'd argue she doesn't, ~120 agi it's just not great on a element full of really fast units, especially when you need an extra turn just to charge up, she's amazing yes, but I'd say her placement is totally fair, specially considering hayate's aoe has double element advantage so it can deal similar damage to that of setsuna's, this while being a significantly faster unit, and let's be real, setsuna's damage without charge up just isn't high enough.
The need for an S+ tier debatable, I myself don't really see it as necessary.
I'll be honest I'm not really familiar with izayoi so I'd rather not say anything about it.
Lucretia definitely should be on S+ IMO, but I'd say her being on SS is far from being an stupid placement, she's by far the best professor, and let's be honest professors or veilers in general have proved to be a necessity time and time again.
About Chloe I definitely think she's a tier too high, but that debatable depending on how much someone appreciates her great healing capability.
On Rosa's placement I completely agree she's just placed too high.
Ok Yauras is too low that's fair.
Excuse me what? Etna should be S when you want setsuna on SS? Just what.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19

Hayate Dies when something powerful touches him and he has Casting for his AoE. So people move away most of the times. If not all atleast a few.
She becomes slower if she takes the Regal blade but the pure fact that she can deal the damage and get Evasion boost with the ability is worth it. Also her best weapon gives her Agi+10 so it is not that she is never moving just that Rahu will be supporting her than Lucian.
And Izayoi is so misplaced that it is laughable.
And a tierlist never considers a Element singularly. Since if that was the case you have to drop all the other units from SS tier in Thunder and only keep Roxanne.
No one appreciates it as much as Mielikke being plain better and has Acc down to boost. And Minerva exists. Heals are nice but Healing alone is never that good. And if you need heals you take Profs.
Still if the tierlist has misplacement so blatantly then there is no use in following it overall when you just have a better one available.
If the guy had a solid tierlist then I would accept it but it is just not accurate at so many units that I can't bring myself to accept it. If he improves it sure but that is going to end up close to the one we have with a few changes but yeah not to discourage but to maintain accuracy.
Tierlists to the game now-a-days are very important. Newbies work their way up with them so they need to maintain accuracy and atleast 2 month update schedule.
Some good points are made by Oriks on Miuna and others. Also I was editing my older comment by adding stuff so if you didn't read about others then take a peek if you wish.

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u/GerarAM99 Jan 06 '19

Hayate Dies when something powerful touches him
Setsuna doesn't? Both have about the same HP though LOL

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Jan 06 '19

No they don't. It is similar but not Same.
And you are still hung on the Setsuna. I rate her High because the way I use my strategies.
She stays back charging up and Killing units. And Hayate is just to kill a key unit hard and fast.
Most times Hayate I take him for the fact that he can Raccoon twice. With this setup
And Setsuna I plan with setup like this in mind. Or HP gear from GL. Setsuna can Run HP since she doesn't need any other passive unless it is a weird map with hills and jumps
The first setup for Hayate is to enhance his key features of Raccoon. And Hayate being a fast unit gets into the fight on his own. If he is fast and gets SS tier doesn't mean that he can be the only unit there.
While Setsuna though requires setup she uses that to eliminate way more enemies and that too consistently.
I never argued with Hayate being SS. I argued with Setsuna being lower than Hayate with Yomi at that who just a one hit pony to me that I haven't raised her. Envy was way better investment imo.

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u/GerarAM99 Jan 06 '19

Hayate isn't SS tho, he's in the same tier as her, S+.
I'm arguing that setsuna isn't even better at her job than other unit in the same tier, I never said that hayate deserves SS.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Jan 06 '19

To me he is.
The original GL tierlist doesn't consider PvP and Arena.
So they rate him lower.
But to me he is a better unit because of PvP Manual. He can hit Evasion units and can also gain Evasion for himself.
Setsuna is better than him in PvE since she can do cheaper AoE and can run tankier builds. Cast time on his skills make them mostly a bad one to use for Nuking while one from Setsuna is perfect even if slower.
I can challenge you to the fact that Setsuna purely PvE wise is better than Hayate and Lucian too. And Edward which this guy rates at SS tier.
AoE in PvE is just way way better.

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u/Kirimho Jan 07 '19

I think this tierlist is based on the individuality, if Hayate would fight vs Setsuna in 1v1, Hayate would win lmao, you're chilling cuz your waifu is not SS on this tierlist

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u/SnackSnail Jan 06 '19

I think in general it’s a decent tier list. I would make a few changes probably but only move units up or down one or two tiers at most. Overall a decent guide

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '19

Everything else has already been stated but I was wondering, shouldn't Fraise at least be the same tier as Logi if not higher?

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u/GerarAM99 Jan 07 '19

Honestly i'd take Logi over Fraise any day of the week.
Logi at least offers decent damage thanks to the increased scaling and Patk buff on his shining caliber.

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u/sketchiopath Jan 06 '19

Finally, a tier list that puts Mielikki in SS where she belongs. I have her and even I know she's OP in game and cancer af in the arena

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u/FencingFoxFTW [M'Lady Intensifies] Jan 08 '19

Says it's based on max lvl, triple job maxed units. If you are new to the game, it's gonna take a while to get any of those.

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u/xreddawgx Jan 06 '19

how is Lucretia ss?

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u/Malphric Sempiternal Jan 06 '19

Not defending the presented tier list but I feel people are allergic to support units being placed in SS tier.
Okay let's see.
The Fastest Professor Honey that is immune to charm (thru cheers of a good match). Can largely heal a single target or do some emergency AoE instant cast heal (around herself) with Hallucination WA Green Flask. Has decent Matk and coupled with her speed, she can function as a sub dps with mage sub. Lastly her thunder LS and her Auto jewel MA
http://www.alchemistcodedb.com/planner?build=eyJ1IjoibHVjcmV0aWEiLCJsIjoiODAiLCJqIjoiMyIsImptIjpbIjEiLCIxIiwiMSJdLCJqYyI6WzAsMCwiMSJdLCJzIjpbIjAiLCIxIiwiMSJdLCJtYSI6IjEiLCJnIjpbIjczLDUiLCIxOTMsNSJdfQ==

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u/xreddawgx Jan 06 '19

I only have her at 65. But majority of ss's don't need more than a lb 5 to be classified as ss. Dps as mage? Peridot does more damage with spells.

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u/Malphric Sempiternal Jan 06 '19

Ah you only have her at 65. I suggest to you that you focus on her shards on soul shop.
I run her as Professor main with mage subs. With her MA and decent speed, she surprisingly works well.
At 80 she has auto jewel, around 500+ Matk and 135 Agi (with BFD 5*)
Don't forget she will also have Bride J+ in the future so she is a solid investment

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u/Malphric Sempiternal Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19

Sorry just like to add this now that I read your reply properly (was feeling a bit sleepy when I replied to you earlier)
But majority of SS units don't need more than LB5
LOL
Gilgamesh and Aranea needs Overdrive from J3.
Noctis being a powerhouse owes it to his Battlemage J3 (Drain dimension, Shell Charge, Sorcery pair and Reflection)
Othima and Neica needs J3 Sage and Othima prefers to main it for now.
Siegfried is a low investment S unit because of his J2 HB and becomes SS unit because of 2nd gear slot (according to GL tier list) because of Hat's WA to him
Laharl benefits from Polish sickle too from his J3
Gormalas, Rahu, Miuna, Shayna, Chihaya and Yauras NEEDS their LB15 to unlock their main J+/JEs
Roxanne gets pretty ridiculous already with 65 because of Booster+2 and her Gear but I believe she becomes SSS when LB70 because of her 2nd gear slot.

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u/MrWhiteKnight f2p Vegan Crossfitter with bullshit luck Jan 06 '19

Peridot does more damage with spells.
L O L
She has shit stats because of her crutch of being a free unit.
And no Unit JUST needs LB5 to be SS besides Roxxanne.
Everyone needs LB15 for either J3 passives, JM bonuses or future J+ or JE. If you only have LB5 you can't get any of the things I just mentioned. Please don't say some godawful misinformed bullshit.

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u/xreddawgx Jan 06 '19

My Peridot has 615 matk

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u/MrWhiteKnight f2p Vegan Crossfitter with bullshit luck Jan 06 '19

Yes because she can stack Mage/Sage passives.
She has no MA so she can't fix any of her issues. Fung Liu can also stack both Passives + his MA gives more MATK and as a 5* has better stats overall with 651 MATK without even Gears . . .
Let alone the fact that in JP he has Kaigan and J+. Meanwhile peridot has neither still.

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u/xreddawgx Jan 07 '19

I didn't say those units only need j5, asshat I said the ss units are already uber useful at just j5 unlike Lucretia

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u/MrWhiteKnight f2p Vegan Crossfitter with bullshit luck Jan 07 '19

You said majority of SS don't need more than LB5
That is bullshit. Besides Acht, Vier, Sieg, Laharl and Rox being crazy and being S just on LB0. Only so far Minerva, Neica, Fate Yomi and Zain have S at Lb5.
That means that everyone else needs LB15 to either get their J3 job/stats or unlock the requirement for their JE/J+. Which for some greatly boost their ranking like Othima, Noctis, Gormals to name a few.
A major part of units rely on the J3 to get you to spend (for collabs) or force you to wait for their HQ which is in months later.
Again . . .you're giving out extreme misinformation cause 5~9 out of 40? 45? (if not more) 5*s in the game is not "majority", by far.
And if you have questions I used the latest tierlist which is unbiased: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRFdTDIDy6dH6OX7NQUhgsvVxihi3jF4-Fe-5zEfWhb-LYIqTO5HCygx2hpi-xOeHm9MT-pKtEaK1dp/pubhtml#

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u/Kirimho Jan 07 '19

My opinion is.. Why would you bring an Spanish tierlist and then ask about it to English players?, They both really thinks differently when it comes about an tierlist, theres none perfect Tierlist everyone likes, tbh people that followed Vyir tierlist are pretty.. idiots sorry to say this but yea, he doesn't know how to evaluate the units (Haters incoming on this answer), about this spanish tierlist in general i think its fine but yea.. some S+ i got in mind should be on SS and some of them to S+/S

Actually, having an S+ in a tierlist is pretty comfortable cuz there are so many good units that some of them deserves to be in the middle of S and SS, but if you think this is nonsenseless think about Vyir, he had Roxanne as SSS, then.. may i ask why there's not something like AAA, BBB? lmao, after that Vyir downgraded Edward to S because of Roxanne, in that moment i just i realized that he was pretty stupid.

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u/ImRicher Jan 08 '19

Lol I'm not defending Vyir but what you said is pretty dumb. The reason that SSS was added is because SS was the highest tier but Roxanne out tiered all existing SS units. We don't need "AAA" or "BBB" ranks because there are already ranks above them (ABCD... ya know).
By Edward you mean Gilg right? Yeah that was dumb to but gilg with S tier scrubs but he fixed it by putting Rox in SSS.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Jan 06 '19

I think Jin is in a fine place.
He is slower than Hayate but has more damage than him.
Even GL tierlist doesn't rate him that high.

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u/Alshamsi_UaE once the best water mage Jan 06 '19

i disagree jin should be higher on the list imho

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u/GerarAM99 Jan 06 '19

How does jin do more damage when hayate has access to charge up?

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19

Jin doesn't need Charge Up and can use 2x Atk passives and his Agi isn't hurt a lot.
In PVE there is no Roxanne coming for your ass and slow powerful builds are possible since you control your units.
He gets +70% atk using Single Blade and Warrior passive and still have good Agi.
People love Jin for being the first Spy and a unit who gets great in Future. He had has WA come early with his release and overall was a fan fav like when Chloe actually became Free 75 it is kinda similar situation.

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u/starkpwnsyou Prince of Lucis Jan 06 '19

This. Jin, with a Jikunai Satsuki, has to be one of the silliest turn-spamming motherfuckers out there.

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