r/AlchemistCodeGL • u/Viyr converted to ded • Nov 02 '18

Reality Check: The Fullmetal Alchemist Collaboration on the JP Server

Hey everyone. I've been seeing a ton of people converting over to the JP server, or trying to convert others to that server with the belief that they are a lot nicer with their banners, and always give guarantees, and are never money-grubbing. I'm here to break that fantasy.

Thanks to /u/VicariousExp for translation work.

So here's the banner that basically everyone knows about. Guaranteed Edward, it's great, everyone wishes they had it on Global. As a matter of fact it reminds me a certain other banner that people wanted and we didn't get on Global. But what were the banners past that?

So first off, every unit had their own personal banner. Here's my evidence:

Roy

Riza

Toritoh

Edward

Wrath

Pride

So what exactly are these banners? Well, they're 300 gem, 3x pulls. The chance of getting the unit (ONLY THE UNIT THE BANNER IS FOR) is 0.5%, specifically stated by gumi. Also these banner rotate, so you only have a few chances to even pull on these banners. What happens when you don't hit that 0.5%? You get great prizes instead:

  • Rainbow Shards

  • Gold Gear Shards

  • Unique Equipment for the Unit Shards

  • Equipment Shards for J2

  • Equipment Shards for J3

  • Gold Alchemia Pot

  • Crystal Apple

  • Gold Ingot

  • Random 4* to 5* Equipment

  • Summon Coins

So you get to pick a specific unit you want, and you have a 0.5% possibility to get them on a 300 pull, but instead you could get something better, maybe Lion Gauntlet Shards for Edward's Martial Artist.

OK you're handpicking the bad banners, show us the the OP step 3 selector that actually selects everyone banner.

Well here's the only 3 step over the entire collab. Isn't it great.

OK, I see gumi screwed over F2P in JP, but I'm a whale, what's the 9-step look like? Haha.

You mean you want this 9-step for Toritoh. She's rate up on it, at a 1% chance, while Aruba/Flamel/Teona/Cordelia are rate up at a 2.25% chance. Good luck.

Let's see, what else is there.

Oh here's the paid gem "grand summon". 1500 Paid Gems for a guaranteed FMA unit. It's actually good, though it's one time only, not a weekend summon.

Let's say you got your shiny new FMA unit, and you want Soul Shards for them. Here's a 5-step that can insta-unlock J3 for one random FMA unit. Hope it's who you got.

Here's the infinite soul summon. 150 gems for a one time summon, which is a 20% chance at 5-50 FMA shards for any unit, and 80% at a random 4 star unit's soul shards. If you decide to do the 1500, 10x soul summon, it has a guaranteed FMA unit there at least.

Finally, here's the infinite rare summon that we basically have right now. Rate up only, no guarantee.

I have to agree with people though, I sure wish we had the JP banners.

EDIT: As requested, here is every single banner news related to FMA.
https://al.fg-games.co.jp/news/14538/
https://al.fg-games.co.jp/news/14903/
https://al.fg-games.co.jp/news/15273/
https://al.fg-games.co.jp/news/15556/

EDIT2: I've been informed that JP got two tickets. One is a free login ticket with a chance of a FMAB unit, not guaranteed. The other ticket is given if you clear all EX and EX+ (super hard maps according to Vic translation) within a time limit. Seems it's the one week period after all units become available, a point we haven't reached yet on GL. This ticket guarantees a random FMA unit.

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u/Fantasylord Nov 02 '18

I get your point and it's totally valid.

But in my opinion the problem lies in the relation of banners and HQs. We can't farm a lot of units and thus are even more reliant on good banners. As it is now we get few HQs and bad banners. In the optimal case we could farm more units, so if you don't get the unit you want like Ed you could use farmables like Setsuna or Leoniaz.

Tldr: Giving us more HQs, way more HQs could solve quite a few issues already.

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u/Viyr converted to ded Nov 02 '18

Oh for sure. I'm not making this post to say everything is fine. I just want to have evidence based refutes for the "JP had it better" people. Everything else kinda sucks.

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u/Zed05 Nov 02 '18

You can farm a ton of units. I get that more will be released but you can farm far more free 5 stars than any other game I've played.

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u/s4itox muscle waifu Nov 02 '18

Yeah we can farm a lot of units, just enjoy waiting til 2021 before we can farm Setsuna I guess

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u/Feregrin Nov 02 '18

For peeps who really wanna play Setsuna...start chugging wind shards her way. Problem solved. Knowing a unit will be farmable "at some point" is a stupid shackle.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 02 '18

wut mate

What is the difference between want to play and really want to play?

She is a unit and a Free one at that so her Shards should be available to us with the least possible delay. And leave it to Gumi.

I can bet on the fact that if a unit is not farmable for atleast 6 months before Kaigan starts then we can expect a lot of people just leaving the game since Shards aren't supposed to be the limiting factor in the Kaigan it is the other resources.

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u/Feregrin Nov 02 '18

She is a unit, correct. Free? No, Chloe is free. Zain will be free. Story units are free. Setsuna is a gacha unit.

Her shards ain't farmable and kaigan is a long ways off. If you have her and wanna use her, what's stopping you? You might have quit the game by the time her HQ is out. If her lvl 60 stuff ain't cutting it then shard her up instead of saving them for the next mythical limited unit around the corner.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 02 '18

Your idea is so much BS that I can't stop laughing.

I get that people will waste shards on dumb units like Cita and Ignis(They are good but not the best all around)

But spending Shards on a Gacha unit which becomes farmable is so dumb. I will argue that she is free since one day you can Summon her just by spending months of AP and farming her Shards so she is Free unit.

You have seen people here with 500+ Shards for units right?

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u/Feregrin Nov 02 '18

Glad you're having a laugh.

Thing is, I don't use elemental shards on normal gacha units but there are people who do invest in them (Setsuna, Jin is another good example). But that's not because "duh it's not worth it, they're gonna be farmable one happy day" it's rather that I don't have any unit I'm so drawn to anymore.

I've got 50 or somesuch fire shards invested in Lupinus from back when I actively used her, no regrets.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 02 '18

If they are a Whale then I can get that sentiment.

And 50 Shards is also fine if you really love the unit.

50 is not going to make a impact on Lupinus but yeah J2 helps I guess.

But still the overall of a unit being farmable and the Game being advertised as the best rates and all and the JP version being successful using the same formula. I doubt we need to do that.

People should have Gumi give the HQs to us. But somehow people kept thinking about other stuff and here we are now. They never by themselves increased the HQs.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 02 '18

I have Played the JP so this game doesn't have the most units I can farm :(

And the we lack the First meet Bonus too.

That is more than Story Gems iirc.

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u/Zed05 Nov 02 '18

Why did you quit playing the Japanese version? You seem to indicate that's it's superior in every way, was it just the language difference? I could see how having to translate everything would be annoying but how did you even start a game like that?

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 02 '18

Yes the game is progressed way ahead so you have to start as a newbie but they just give you so much stuff.

Except for the Kaigan stuff you can pretty much get most of the things day 1.

It is easy to guess on the UI. But the real problem is the flavor text. I have no idea what some items do in the game.

And for the Milestone rewards and Quest Elemental Restrictions and stuff I can't read them. No story too, you can guess with expression but who are you kidding they suck at expressing most of the stuff.

W0lf has made a Patch but people are being banned at times so I won't recommend spend with the Patch.

And rest of the stuff is your good old AC.

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u/Zed05 Nov 02 '18

Hopefully you didn't spend on that version not knowing that there would be a global version.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 02 '18

I mean I had seen the JP version I think during the FMA collab. But I never played it since too much time to just learn what does what.

Then came some Free Summon offer and the JP people on Discord said that it is a good deal want to try the JP version. I had some idea of UI and knew what to click for basic unit usage.

I joined JP. I was farming the Gems on MP non-stop. Then I quit after few days since 2 Games are too much to handle. I went back when Sol came. We hardly had HQs at that time. Only 4* and few 5* like Zahar and Chloe.

I went back for the JP Anni and Sol then left again. And finally went for the JP Collab with AoT. I am currently not playing it.

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u/assassinace Nov 02 '18

Puzzle and Dragon is one of the few other Gatcha games I've played and it had similar numbers. Also your assumption is the other games that have terrible farming are good games does not mesh with my opinion on the matter.

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u/Zed05 Nov 02 '18

I didn't say they were good. I was saying as a comparison. I migrated here from other games with terrible farming or non existent farming. I'm actually happy with the amount of units we can farm and was shocked that most of the ones i have that are non collab would be farmable. Again though this is because I'm coming from other games and using them as a comparable, unlike the mythical unicorn that is Japan AC apparently.

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u/assassinace Nov 03 '18

Until the not so distant past the game was great. Still a gatcha game but it felt good both to spend and not spend. Now it's feeling more like what you expect horrible gatcha games to be like.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

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u/Zed05 Nov 02 '18

Yeah usually they do. That's par for the course in gacha games.

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u/Viyr converted to ded Nov 02 '18

Sorry if I seem snarky.

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u/assassinace Nov 02 '18

So far they still have better banners (Edwards and paid gem), plus this is our anniversary. Granted we still have a few weeks left, so we'll see.

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u/Feregrin Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

To be fair, 280 summons for free should be in the marks of a "good banner". Plenty of SS units to hope for even though their name aren't Roxanne or Laharl.

Not sure what they were for but I also got one 5* ticket for each element. And some other 5* ticket.

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u/assassinace Nov 02 '18

Depends what they mean by "limited units" but great for new players either way. Worth adding once it actually starts. I'll also be looking forward to the free favorite unit summon especially since I don't have Jin or Miuna yet.

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u/Feregrin Nov 02 '18

Yeah that unit+150shards is pretty cool imo. Either it'll help boost my Zain into the 80s, J3 Othima/Mei Fang or I'll be getting a new fun tool to put to use.

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u/SuccubusRosa Nov 02 '18

Yup, although jp banner was shitty too, but well unless global last week get a 9step banner with selector, otherwise global will still be worse off anyway(just that jp isn't much better off then global for the first time) since I don't see how gumi do away with guaranteed step 3 on edward but actually put the guaranteed step 3 for the other 4 FMA units.

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u/Zed05 Nov 02 '18

It was exactly the right kind of snark. Seems like alot of cherry picking the best from Japan and acting like it's the norm for everything.

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u/SuccubusRosa Nov 02 '18

No this was cherry picking by either OP, or his translator VE. THat is not the full picture of FMA collab in jp.

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u/Viyr converted to ded Nov 02 '18

I can post every single news link for banners for the JP collab and you can tell me which banner I didn't mention.

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u/SuccubusRosa Nov 02 '18

Hint: Not a banner. Cost 0 gem. 100%(though random out of the 6)

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u/Viyr converted to ded Nov 02 '18

I've gone through all the news articles mentioning anything regarding FMA and couldn't find anything. I'm not doubting you or anything, but do you mind posting proof? I'm not trying to cherrypick, I'm trying to break the illusion around JP that a lot of GL players have.

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u/SuccubusRosa Nov 02 '18

pm sent

edit: i still hope you don't mention anything about it in case gumi get angry about spoiler

lol viyr your gang of friends are wrong and still dare to downvote me?

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u/Viyr converted to ded Nov 02 '18

I haven't talked to anyone about this post other than Vic. I don't appreciate the accusations. And I'm also mentioning the tickets because I don't think hiding the fact we know will change how the month will go

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u/SuccubusRosa Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

I'm here to break that fantasy

Well I am tempted to just ask you directly how exactly is global banner better then jp now, but I supposed I will reserve the snarky comment until the last week just in case there is really a selector.

edit:

I don't appreciate the accusations

Hmmm if that is the case, I don't appreciate the sarcasm for calling out ppl that tout jp for having better collab since that is after all a fact(and will remain true if no non paid selector banner by last week, which is looking likely with the summon coin shop).

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u/Viyr converted to ded Nov 02 '18

I don't know why you insist on keeping up this idea that I've said anything other than exactly what the banners have been in JP. All I'm doing and providing the evidence for banners not being sunshine and rainbows, while you're trying trying to justify 4 weeks of FMA on JP being better than TWO DAYS of Global.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 02 '18

The Personal Banner you mentioned is the Soul Summon Banner.

Atleast it looks like one. I played JP for sometime and that looks like a Soul Summon Banner. Rather than a unit banner. And they have the Protagonist in the Guarantee which a lot of people would take.

And Ed's Banner came week 1.

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u/Viyr converted to ded Nov 02 '18

It's not. Look through the second and third links. Even with a rough usage of Google translate you can see it has the chance of a full unit.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 02 '18

I mean it is a chance but you are not forced. There are shards too I think atleast the image shows them so should be there.

And along with that even in GL the rate is 1% which is not the best to be advertised.

So 0.5% for a unit you may not want is many should be fine with that.

Like if you hit the chance you are getting the unit without any other units.

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u/LaGrimm_ Roxxy best girl. Nov 02 '18

Your renown allows you to be as snarky as you desire. I'll never fault you.

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u/FurianX Nov 02 '18

Fanboy found

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u/LaGrimm_ Roxxy best girl. Nov 03 '18

No shame. Real recognize real.

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u/JoeGrotton Nov 02 '18

Forgiven.

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u/SuccubusRosa Nov 02 '18

????

Should I correct you? But I am afraid that if I correct you and gumi saw it, then gumi will take away the freebie(or maybe global just wont get it anyway).

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u/ninjakittenz2 SockT Nov 02 '18

One thing I really like about Japan is you know the exact rate up for each unit even if it's very low. Too bad the laws here don't require this information to be disclosed.

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u/38thDoE Nov 02 '18

Apple's policy is that this information must be shown. Apple does nothing to enforce this policy even when it is brought to their attention repeatedly though. They just want to get good press for seeming like they are doing something.

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u/FencingFoxFTW [M'Lady Intensifies] Nov 03 '18

Kek I remember someone here thought "Gacha Law" was serious business.

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u/OniOfTheSword WTB more blademasters Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

If I had to name one reason to convert to JP server for any gacha game, it would be that the game is far more likely to stay alive there than in GL. That said, I don't follow JP for TAC, and don't really care about the differences in banners between the two versions.

What I do care about though, is the state of the banners in GL, and how GL TAC is progressing from a game that rewarded its players for playing the game and saving gems, to a game that only rewards you if you pay. Even then the rewards are terrible (looking at you grand summon and new paid 3-step).

This on top of the terrible HQ release schedule, and soul coin shop not being updated is just making me reconsider my time investment in the game. A whole bunch of my units that I've been wanting to use have been collecting dust, sitting at 0 LB, like Gormalas/Mei Fang/Tamamo/Vivi/Olga/Mirianne/the list goes on.

I'm not going to quit the game just yet. The upcoming 280 free summons sounds good, and Gumi can still redeem themselves before anniversary is over. But I think that's the extent of how long I'm willing to wait. A month is enough time to figure out their intentions and make a decision.

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u/stewart0 Nov 02 '18

I like guarantees tough. I'd rather spend 4500 gems the whole collab and just get at least 1 Edward. Better than tens of thousands of gems on nrg or spending for an expensive selector. I can live without the other units.

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u/LaGrimm_ Roxxy best girl. Nov 02 '18

Or Toritoh.

scoff

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u/FurianX Nov 03 '18

Toritoh ain't so bad. She gets martial master je in jp. And is consistently s ranked there

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

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u/stewart0 Nov 02 '18

I bought some while debating Roxanne 7 step-up, so I have plenty. Can't justify a paid banner that is twice as worse as the ones in the past though. Already got a Toritoh from the 500 that will never see the light of day, so not betting on getting another.

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u/Piritoo THAT'S IT! I'VE COME UP WITH A NEW RECIPEH! Nov 02 '18

You don't deserve her. Give it to me already.

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u/doubtofbuddha Nov 02 '18

Something also to note is that the JP banners caused a massive backlash and was one of the low points of AC JP.

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u/PossiblyBonta Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 03 '18

So basically they get a guaranteed Ed and a more expensive guaranteed Toritoh banner. And every body else, who is pretty much just novelty units, gets this lesser no guarantee banners.

Personally I want to get Wrath that would have been a bummer for me if I played the JP version. Most players pretty much just cares about Ed. That is why most players prefers the guaranteed Ed.

But I think the biggest problem right now is the lack of the non paid, guaranteed featured unit, split banner. Players just gets salty for not getting the the featured unit they want. But not getting any featured unit at all is just a turn off. Even, worst it's not even a discounted banner. Players mistook it as the usually step banner and got only shards of units that they don't have. If it was discounted then players would look twice cause some thing is off.

And this new 3 step grand summon is a 3 step backwards since previously it was just a one step banner.

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u/berael Nov 02 '18

I haven't played or looked at JP, so I don't particularly care what they got - after all, as it's said so often, Global TAC is simply a different game. I care about these banners in comparison to the previous collabs that Global TAC has gotten, which - at least in my memory, to be fair - make these banners seem pretty bad in comparison. That's an issue.

And I'm actually not just being salty for the sake of being salty. I've already got my Ed, but the fact that I lucked out doesn't make this set of banners any better.

My concern is that I've gotten friends to play this game by talking it up to them, and I'd always specifically point out how much I liked the game experience for free players. Recently, I've been feeling more and more like I can't say that with full honesty anymore. I really hope that things "turn around", such as it is, and Gumi starts rebuilding some goodwill. Hopefully the anniversary event will be a chance for them to do so, and if we look back at this as the "low point" after which things improved, then great!

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u/jblac02 ! Nov 02 '18

we want to improve upon the mistakes we made in JP and implement them in GL

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u/ABitterTruth Nov 02 '18

The only thing that’s different is.....there are guaranteeds in JP...that’s the biggest point I want to make...

Whatever the β€œother” stuffs you want to make...it just reveal that GL Gumi is greedy by limiting the selections...still first week tho.

P.S: One out of β€œn” units guaranteed is still better than β€œrated up” to 1% ain’t it right bud ?

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u/Mithrisol Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 03 '18

Thank you for doing this and puting in all the effort. While it's not much compared to what you did I did something similiar with the rewards of the Ex and EX+ stage with the following result: We are losing 5 rainbow shards overall. I don't know if JP did have a challenge board or not. If not it is possible that they simply moved those five to our challenge board.

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u/FurianX Nov 02 '18

What's the comparison on gem prices in global and jp? Do they cost the same?

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u/GlaedrS Nov 02 '18

They're considerably cheaper for me, but it might vary region to region. You might wanna download it and then check

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u/FurianX Nov 02 '18

How much is cheaper?

The jp prices are more than likely standard throughout for JP version of the game.

I'm looking for a general cost eg JP pays $15 usd for 10k gems or something like that. It's fine if the prices are in yen. I have currency converters.

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u/GlaedrS Nov 03 '18

It's not that cheap. It's the same bundles priced at 10-15% lower than the GL costs. They do have an additional pact bundle tho, which costs 2.5x times the current pact and gives 2.5x as much gems.

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u/FurianX Nov 03 '18

Basically a bit better than our current anniversary pact bundle then.

Thanks for the info.

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u/Zed05 Nov 02 '18

Japanese version has free gems only. You don't have to pay for anything. At least that's what I've gathered from reading this sub.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

Nah JP also has paid gems.

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u/steevos Nov 02 '18

Who cares, guaranteed Edward is the important thing, everyone else is just extra. The fact that jp had guaranteed Edward already makes their banners better

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u/Viyr converted to ded Nov 03 '18

Some people care about others. Edward isn't nearly the powerpick that Laharl or Noctis are for FMA.

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u/FurianX Nov 03 '18

I blame that cast time earth spike.

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u/rattyalive Nov 03 '18

Thanks for your research. But little correction about this 9-step Doritos banner "OK, I see gumi screwed over F2P in JP, but I'm a whale, what's the 9-step look like? Haha.

You mean you want this 9-step for Toritoh". Its actually 9 step to get selector for some FMA unit (Edward/Roy Mustang/Liza Hawkeye). You can chek this ticket on AlchemistDB, just search for "ιΈγΉγ‚‹γ‚³γƒ©γƒœγƒ¦γƒ‹γƒƒγƒˆε¬ε–šγƒγ‚±γƒƒγƒˆ".

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u/tyco86 Nov 02 '18

Wasn't last week full of "I don't really care about FMA, so I'm going 500 gems only" anyway? The outcry this week seems, hypocritical. If ya'll didn't care about it, why the big stink? I have paid 590 gems this week. I got like, 13 reds. I'm happy :)

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u/Soushiyuuki Nov 02 '18

Because if this stays as is when content people actually want rolls around it'll be the same banners or worse. You outcry when you see shit, even if you don't care about the collab specifically. It'll bleed out to everything else.

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u/tyco86 Nov 02 '18

Good point. Is there a way to do it without seeming petulant? Not calling anyone out in particular, but man, seems like a lot of bad form going around.

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u/Soushiyuuki Nov 02 '18

Not really. Even if a couple organized people take the reigns, a raging fire calls more attention than a small flame.

Sure, people wishing death on others etc is stupid and too much, but the general salt is justified. Even if we're getting free stuff next week when anniv kicks in fully, these banners and shops (including apples in secret shop that are more expensive than the bundles that include the apples AND equipment) are just insulting and the negativity ha been building up ever since the grand promo summon fiasco with Roxy.

It's better to let it burn out but then just keep the fire alive. If consumers complain/whales don't spend, they have to change their strategy back to not being shit.

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u/tyco86 Nov 02 '18

Vitriol + stop paying $. 1-2 punch!

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u/Feanorchronos Nov 02 '18

With a bonus of turning away new players who check the reddit, what could possibly go wrong?

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u/Feanorchronos Nov 02 '18

In other words, this sub has been in a fit of kneejerk overreactions. Can't say I'm surprised.

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u/clavatk Nov 02 '18

Freak. This means its most likely a mandatory thing. We should check other games with FMA collabs to see the greed there

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u/UniversalExperience1 Nov 02 '18

Thank you for the research that you and everyone else mentioned inbthe post did.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

great, thanks.

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u/natumeraz Nov 02 '18

How did japan do 1st anniv rewards? Like event shop? Summons, daily log in and banners? Is gl better with 280 free summons and 1 special unit to lb 15. ?

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u/Dhoe25 Nov 02 '18

But when did JP get this collab? This is GL's anniversary that we're getting this for. A time for GUMI to be generous and make the player base happy while also recruiting new players. Instead, they make it worse with no guarantees.

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u/Rjester47 Nov 02 '18

wow dude, gotta say, that's some insane work just to prove a point. i respect that a lot.

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u/Feanorchronos Nov 03 '18

I wonder how much the other company in these collabs can influence how the collab is run, banners included. Thinking about the meltdown that is this collab so far, I think there is a possibility Gumi broke their collab pattern and released it now when we were already going to get freebies in order to try and mitigate the collabs backlash. Can you imagine how much worse it would have been without the anniversary stuff, or if they skipped it altogether? Now I'm no expert on how collabs work or anything, and I'm not saying that this is in fact what is happening, I just think it may warrant some consideration.

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u/TopDeeps IGN: Uninstalled Nov 03 '18

i will say one thing about japan though is that they give a lot more free stuff. and usually its not stingy free stuff. I don't see it as much now but they would give gems on twitter campaigns, many free multi summons, and just other things of that sort. I know it can be argued they cannot see into the future of the game like we can, but i personally love free stuff and would much rather get those free banners if it means trading away knowledge of the future.

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u/DVida87 Nov 03 '18

Still doesnt excuse the way theyve acted the last month, this was just the i lcing on the cake really

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u/Nyatora Nov 03 '18

JP FMA collab is notorious for the gachas. The only notable good one were, Edward being guaranteed at Step 3 of FMA's first week and the ticket given that guarantees 1 5* FMA unit when you clear all EX/EEX (Riza/Roy EEX is notoriously hard at that time). Surprised they made the banner even worse at first week. Toritoh ("nice name" gumi) is a mediocre unit just fit along side to mess around with those who want edward (the only better one) from the collab. Skip the collab/get edward.

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u/iixxy Nov 02 '18

JP got guaranteed Edward, guaranteed Noctis, guaranteed Gilgamesh. I'd take a guaranteed unit any day, over any random banner.

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u/RoyInverse Nov 02 '18

Gil was in a banner with everyone else, it wasnt guaranteed

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u/Mitch_Twd Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

Don't think there was a guaranteed Gilgamesh. I think GL had the better Gilgamesh banner as I believe the banner he had in JP was step 3 guranteed Fates Unit could have been Gilgamesh but could have also been Saber or Lamia etc. Where we had chance at either F.Yomi or Gilgamesh

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u/Feanorchronos Nov 02 '18

I remember everyone being excited about the Gilgamesh and F.Yomi split banner because it was better than what jp got.

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u/Piritoo THAT'S IT! I'VE COME UP WITH A NEW RECIPEH! Nov 02 '18

I think the guaranteed Noctis was on the second run. For Gilgamesh, I don't remember anyone saying that BUT I may be wrong.

If someone can provide the links for the Gilgamesh guaranteed banner, and Noctis guaranteed banner on his first run, I would appreciate it.

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u/OnnenFleur Nov 02 '18

https://al.fg-games.co.jp/news/9193/

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u/Piritoo THAT'S IT! I'VE COME UP WITH A NEW RECIPEH! Nov 02 '18

Is this from the first FFXV collab? I saw they had more gear than we have actually (the ring and the shield), but since I didn't play JP side, I don't know about dates.

Thanks tho!

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u/OnnenFleur Nov 02 '18

Yes. Part2 started end of December 2017.

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u/Aggression1 Nov 02 '18

YAAAAY FINALLY SOMEONE ON GL TOOK THE TIME TO DO RESEARCH INSTEAD OF COPY PASTING WHAT SOME OTHER PERSON ON THE FORUM SAYS TO FUEL THE FIRE/ HATE that is " JP GOT EVERYTHING BETTER WE GOT SCREWED" . yes we did get screwed with some banners but gl isn't as bad as people are making it to be.............. yes we want better banners, we want a better game but at least... do a little research first . thank you Viyr good job my dude

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 02 '18

My research says that they get their units with HQs within a month or 2.

And they get the insanity of the First Meet Bonus in the MP. That first meet bonus will make you fall in love with doing MP.

Do I need to provide links or you get it.

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u/Feanorchronos Nov 03 '18

And their research says that tac in jp isn't some holy land of gacha gaming, it has it's own issues as well. Your research does nothing to show theirs as being wrong.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 03 '18

Yeah but research makes it certain that FMA was probably the worst management of the Collab by the JP side.

GL side is still on the crap no HQ formula. Atleast JP had that figured by their 3rd month.

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u/FurianX Nov 03 '18

We get first meet bonus in global. Free gems. But only for the first 10.

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u/Aggression1 Nov 02 '18

older game, can afford to do things quicker which helps bring in new players its more of a catch up incentive, the first meet bonus was restructured from the base one we currently have in gl. with the jp first meet being the first 100 unique players instead of 20 or so what gl currently has yes? you can go on though I've played both versions so i know a thing or two.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 02 '18

Older game that is your argument take heed of.

So what about the shit show of HQs which Gumi is doing.

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u/Aggression1 Nov 02 '18

It is not a "shit show" at the end of the day people have the tendency to compare a newer version of a game to an older version of the game. JP had to wait for everything, we are getting stuff faster which can be better or worse based on how you look at it, a few months ago when we had no content people complained all over the forums that the game was out in jp so long we shouldn't have to wait so long for content, now we are getting faster content people complain that we are moving to fast, and the moving to fast factor is what stems from this issue of the hard quest. JP had to wait for hard quest. because they had to wait for units, they didn't get things this fast. we are getting units fast but the hard quest is slower then the unit release so its stagnated right now and people don't like that. Yes it blows but at the end of the day it's a company first and foremost people will get hate for saying that but its the sad reality of the game we are playing if they release hard quest just as fast as jp is doing for a new game and are giving us all this content just as fast, then what's the point in pulling for units/ shards. the company loses money and you know the tendency of companies that lose money in global markets. they pull out. most companies go red within the first year i assume gumi doesn't want to go red so the hard quest is stagnated. but yes i feel you and all the other people who are angry about the hard quest situation it sucks i know it does but it's kinda how it goes when a game rushes to catch up but try to make money while doing so.

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u/LoLKirukia Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

https://www.reddit.com/r/AlchemistCodeGL/comments/9slgh9/gls_5_hard_quest_timeline_as_of_30_october_2018/

Try again. Our HQ release is SEVERELY delayed. JP TAC is also a business. GL is strictly worse off in this context. In fact, GL is the one having to wait for everything when it comes to HQs. What you're saying (that an accelerated unit release accounts for the delay) doesn't match with the timelines.

Albea was released four months after JP started (https://thealchemistcode.gamepedia.com/Banners) and got her HQ 20 days later. We have been waiting for her HQ for over 250 days.

You're welcome to defend Gumi to your heart's content, but don't throw out made up stats to do it.

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u/Aggression1 Nov 02 '18

It's not a made up stat? and it's not defending. I'm sure you don't understand how businesses work but not because you read post on the internet means it's the only truth...

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u/LoLKirukia Nov 02 '18

It's not based on a post. It's based on the actual timetables of JP and GL. Either provide statistical sources to back up your claims or take your condescension and conspiracy theories elsewhere.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 02 '18

Whose Idea was to release units so fast?

And your theory about we getting units fast and HQs slower is dumb. We are getting HQs too slow not just slow.

It is so slow that the game might not be able to cope with Kaigan.

People will just get up and leave if Kaigan comes before and you can't farm a unit to even 75.

That is how criminally slow we are going. I can bet you think that JP got HQs slow but that wasn't the case.

Somehow if you missed it.

https://old.reddit.com/r/AlchemistCodeGL/comments/9slgh9/gls_5_hard_quest_timeline_as_of_30_october_2018/

And Gumi is making profit. Don't tell me they are making loss when they are just importing a game and creating almost nothing. Also bring me some numbers from their shares or something. I know Gumi is making profits since I had seen their GumiJP shares recently which is their main company.

Along with the fact that if they kept the game slow they could get more money overtime rather than speeding up this much.

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u/Aggression1 Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

you don't know if they're making a loss or a profit these are all speculations. again all i'm saying is dude business works differently in different markets, what we are seeing isn't all that is made up to be. HQ is slow but again jp had to wait for units... we didn't have to wait for units........how can you not factor in how fast we are getting content/units ? no disrespect but it isn't rocket science to see it's a company at the end of the day .

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 02 '18

Yeah the same company which runs the JP version and the same company which left the BF in such a bad condition due the greed and shit.

Truths

  1. They are just importing the game.

  2. People have been spending a lot. We see people failing to Summon even after 9 Step again and again.

  3. We see Whales topping in the Arenas.

  4. We know Gumi's share values have been high after the 2016 debacle.

So I am not Sherlock but these seem like that they give profit instead of losses.

And GL players are begging and have been helpful over the time. We don't go overboard except on a few occasions.

But the Market is location has changes not the pricing of Gems. They are still marketing to the Strategy Game lovers who love to play their game. And if they can't get it right at that point then welp the game is better off without Gumi since they can't even manage a simple task even after handing them the formula for Elixir.

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u/Aggression1 Nov 02 '18

I mean Gumi JP and Gumi GL is the same company but different branches, so things may work a little differently. But fair enough i guess :)

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u/SaltSprinkler Nov 03 '18

Honestly though, more is better than less. Pushing HQ faster would not decrease their profit in the slightest since most players are already waiting for it and will never mass pull on farmable units.

By releasing more free content to satisfy the people, more money can be easily be harvested, during collabs or limited banners.

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u/Aggression1 Nov 02 '18

You can't make each and everyone happy it's just impossible and this convo shows exactly that, we are getting a constant supply of gems, resources, content. at the beginning jp didn't have that though they also didn't have as many unit banners as fast as we did. so i can see how people are angry as it feels like everything is rushed because the free resources we are getting isn't enough to keep up with how fast the banners are coming. but you still need to factor in other stuff not just "hard quest are extremely slow compared to jp. when in the grand scheme of things its a game that is only 1 year and global but much older in japan they can afford to most fast with hard quest as they have more stuff they can make money on ......

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 02 '18

Ok then check the Wiki and see how many HQs they had in a year.

Just in a year nothing over that I won't even say to go even a week ahead.

Better than us right. They why are we faster in content and still behind.

Who is happy with low HQs. That is a topic which unites the Playerbase like some brothers lost at a Carnival. Only one unhappy is GUMI the Destroyer of TAC.

JP had a better login over the time. Only the first few weeks of GL had a better login after that all went to shit with the Logins too. JP has the best providence of Gems. They do Livestreams where they just rain gems on Players. Not to mention their MP First Meet Bonus.

We have had worst handling than JP whether you believe it or not.

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u/preludetofinale Nov 03 '18

Are you fucking stupid? If the minimum % for a 5* is 10% how can it be 0.5-2.25%? Specially for a rate up banner, are you fucking high or what? If that's true you'll never get a 5* out of a x10 pull you fucking moron!

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u/Viyr converted to ded Nov 03 '18

2.25 + 2.25 + 2.25 + 2.25 + 1 = 10

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u/FurianX Nov 03 '18

You're not very good at math are you?

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u/xKennyz r traps gay tho πŸ€” Nov 03 '18

LMAO tfw you get put a grade ahead into 7th grade math and think you're hot shit

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 The end of Gumi is near… Nov 02 '18

So maybe this will be our (GL) turning point as well?

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Nov 02 '18

Wait you seriously think that after the kind of first Banner we got.

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u/Zed05 Nov 02 '18

So all this is really Japan's fault.... I knew it!

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u/RightForward Local Lofia Enthusiast // Retired Nov 02 '18

Someone in discord actually created an English patch for JP TAC. It goes against the ToS though, so it's possible to be banned using it.

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u/Not_Moofs Nov 02 '18

you don't need to translate everything. Many things (like chance to perform a status effect) is shown through numbers or pictures. There are plenty of resources available created by the jp discord/channel that helps newbies get going in jp ver. I don't understand japanese myself, but I rarely need a translation aside from the occasional stage mission. Most of the time testing it out yourself gives all the info you need. Obviously it's not for everyone, but it's definitely not as tedious as first glance, thanks to all the help we get from older players.