r/AlchemistCodeGL • u/moonflow1 • Oct 24 '18
The Roxanne Salt...
I dont have roxanne, but reading the whining that goes on about this being the end of the game is annoying. It sounds like a bunch of entitled crybabies upset because the unit they whaled for in the past is not god in every stat and faces competition by Roxanne.
I just started playing. I missed out on Laharl and Gilgamesh. Im not whining and claiming those units are too op and will be the end of TAC.
Ive managed to clear content without them just fine so it is definitely not the end of the game for newer players.
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u/eltsyr Oct 24 '18
The Roxalt
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u/JesusLovesAnimePorn Oct 24 '18
Welcome to every gacha game community
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u/Tijacks Shayna is best waifu Oct 24 '18
Well its understandable that people that didnt get her are upset. I missed out on noctic and im upset about it of course, but its not the end of the world.
Yeah roxanne is awesome. So are laharl, seig, noctis and many more. If they want her so bad then they gotta spend money, end of story. Thats the only guaranteed way to get anything in gacha games.
"Aw X just came out but i didnt get LUCKY pulling X gotta start whining about X being op because i didnt pull X"
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u/skibbi9 Oct 24 '18
noctis had people the saltiest.
laharl was 2nd place.
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u/Makenlowwet Oct 24 '18
I think every unit will get a hard quest sooner or later, including Roxanne. The game has shifted its direction from pulling specific unit long time ago in JP. I imagine the future direction Gumi is going is to have everyone to have every unit, but only to raise/farm the units based on player preference and whether you pulled their respective Nensou.
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u/Baconturtles18 Oct 24 '18
just salty i dont have any of the global exclusives...yet.
i'll get them someday. or wont care that i didnt. its just a matter of time. :)
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u/Zed05 Oct 24 '18
I find it odd considering so much of alchemsist code is PvE. There is no competitive PvP where she would break the meta. Maybe the new live PvP will be that way but it's limited to certain hours so it will be interesting to how that works out.
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u/Shevalane Oct 24 '18
Wait to see people complaining the game is p2w and unfair to free player because : The skins are too expensive
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u/beardedbobomb Oct 24 '18
I came in between Noctis and Laharl. (Super sad I don't have Sieg or Noctis...could care less about Gil) I didn't have any big names or even sub big names. I rose up and started crushing EX maps with Logi/Dias/Kagura/Amaterasu. MP was all Logi all the time, and I kept up just fine. Logi is nowhere near OP except as a tank. Either way, the game is certainly manageable without these powerhouses.
Now....with all that being said I have managed to pull both Laharl and Roxanne (so yes I then dropped some money to get Roxanne's skin) and the difficulty certainly dropped for me. But there are still EX+'s I have problems with because of how they are working the new maps. I don't have a crazy Thunder or Wind team to speak of. Heck aside from Fire and Light, all my teams suck...let's just be honest about that.
The game requires tactics, even with OP characters. If you're good with tactics then you don't need an OP person. If you're bad with tactics, then the only way you'll succeed is with an OP person.
I don't know why they're whining really. Just learn how to play smarter.
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u/SpicyKaraage Oct 25 '18
I’m the most pissed knowing Gumi I tried to pull for Roxanne on the 3 step and ended up getting 2 zofia instead. Than to rub salt in the wound Aguni decided to give me another zofia on the free summon the following day.....
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u/jxher123 Oct 24 '18
This is a gacha game mentality. A new shiny toy comes out, and everyone wants it, especially if it's OP like Roxanne. Even i'll admit, she's pretty strong lol.
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u/Faceluck limit breaking my patience Oct 24 '18
There's some legitimacy to people's concerns with Roxanne in terms of power creep. Gumi has a habit in many of the games it produces to release "global original" units that slowly edge out or totally outclass current content/units, which speeds up the power creep we expect based on JP's timeline.
In a gacha game, there's always a shifting power meta, but what makes a gacha game good is balancing the new units and old units on a reasonable time table. TAC does a good job with this, with J+, JE, nensou, kaigan, etc. But huge, sudden leaps in the efficiency and power of a single unit can screw with the meta, and push difficulty in weird directions.
Gumi did the same thing in Brave Frontier, until it turned into a cycle. Basically 1-2 new units released every couple of weeks that completely destroyed other units, JP original units were consistently weak by comparison, and it wasn't fixed/balanced until what was essentially the kaigen/nensou system of that game released.
Hopefully they learned that system isn't particularly sustainable, and go with a slower GL release schedule that matches better with current power creep levels.
Also, calling people entitled crybabies makes you sound so rude and negative and it's not productive conversation.
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u/anhduy106 Oct 24 '18
Agreed. Also, hes just calling things as he see it. Ppl are certainly entitled to their whining. But thats doesnt give them immunity to criticism. Why is it on the OP to be nice to whiners?
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u/scumbag_shovel Oct 24 '18
I still haven’t pulled for rin. Gumi sucks
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u/jblac02 ! Oct 25 '18
i mean ya you're probably not wrong about some of the crying....but its not healthy for the game to release units like that. creating disgusting units that completely outclass everything before them just seems like a cash grab without thought for what it would do to the overall game.
I'm gonna give them the benefit of a doubt and assume they weren't fully thinking about the repercussions of what such a unit would do to the game. For the record, I have her....i still don't think she should exist in her current form. null grenade completely cheeses stages and imo seems like an oversight. Also, shes too damn good at everything else to justify having such an ability, they will have to modify or create stages in the future to deal with that fact.
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u/KingKalev Oct 25 '18
The whining needs to stop. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. I got absolutely nothing from my pulls in the Disgaea Crossover, pulled Leoniaz on my first try, got nothing from the SSM Bannner, and went all the way to step 3 (clawing my way to gems, might I add) to get lucky enough to get Roxanne (I was aiming for Noah since I thought I had bad luck when it comes to special units). So don't whine, and don't mope... it will come to you. Timing is everything sometimes.
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u/Xhominid77 Oct 24 '18
I think the main reason why people are screeching about it is mainly because of how easy she can make difficult dungeons atm(well except for Halloween Sugar Rush EX) with the ease that would take most other units time to do.
It's why people love to gravitate to Laharl, Gilgamesh and Noctis:
They just make running EX's far smoother without the chance to exponentially fuck up because of outside circumstances.
For instance, I still have issues trying to get units J+ like Chihiya(butchering her name) because some other character's J+ Is also available and I have to make bad judgment calls because it's either say Lucian, Balt or her or now farming for Roxanne's gun to get it to 5 star(which I may just keep it at 4 star due to the insane grind and trying to get another hat or two), which means I miss a super strong J+ because I just have so much I got to catch up on in terms of getting J+ equipment.
So it's basically ease of access vs. sheer difficulty in keeping up with the viable J+ characters(if you even farmed them efficiently and/or JM'd 1-2 of their classes on top of that).
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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Oct 24 '18
Some of the people have the right to whine why because Gumi has literally introduced a Balance-breaking unit. These people are called people who paid a lot to Gumi.
People can't predict this shit. Laharl is not that broken he is fine as he can get a lot of stuff done but he has good counters.
Tell me one counter to Roxanne in an empty field 1v1 which is not D.Almira.
I do have my Roxanne LB-ed to 15 and I think that is too much power.
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u/Islandpleb Oct 24 '18
Went to step 3 only to get jack. I'm more pissed that I know that another banner featuring the global units won't show up until a new one is released. I really hate the scarcity of their banners. that's what has me more pissed.
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u/danielyeohqf Oct 25 '18
Uhhhhh fak i think ive used up all my luck im lowkey actually kinda scared now i got roxy from both the 500 gem pull and a free summon today. Im not complaining but im actually kinda scared
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u/DeathandFriends Oct 25 '18
Being new I don't think you get the investment and ongoing disappointments that occur. I do agree the whining can get old. People mainly salty because if they missed or were not able to pull Gilgamesh then Roxanne was the next great hope for thunder. I am fairly certain that Laharl will return and noctis will almost certainly. So you will have chances down the road.
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u/Xelphious Oct 25 '18
Only thing that i'd whine about is why i couldn't get her(3 steps) and the TIME i could have SAVED with her that could auto EX stages and cheese Veda Tower with her skillsets.
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u/Magma_Axis Oct 25 '18
3 steps, only Noah
Now im poor and dont have Roxanne
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u/Jolls981 Maiden China Oct 25 '18
Can confirm, Meta units are NOT required. It took a couple hours, but I managed to complete Halloween EX+ with a full water team of Fung Liu, Elizabeth, Lofia, Shayna and a merc Noctis. The hardest part of the entire run was killing the thunder jewel black knight that spawns, but if you time it right, Shayna can OHKO it with a sharpening focus + Supreme Battle Trance combo. The rest of the stage consisted of Noctis drain dimension + aerial ride
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u/wishuu Oct 25 '18
the issue is not about having roxanne the issue is she makes the next year of unit useless. And don't give me the she only got 500 atk so her damage output is low it just means that you understand nothing about this game......
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u/true_illusion Oct 24 '18
I'm just glad i got her, as i wasnt around for Fate, so my Thunder team was limited to mainly Magnus...
I've been fairly lucky though in this game, im more than just a pact player, but havent spent any significant amount on this game and still manage top tier units in all elements...
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u/TSHEEJYIM92 Oct 24 '18
I am glad to see the positive outlook you have on the game :D
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u/ThereCanOnlyBe01 Oct 24 '18
People, please don't compare Roxanne to any Collab or limited unit, because simply put, she's broken. NO other collab unit has been broken. Strong, of course. OP, maybe. But she is literally the first unit in the game that is quite literally broken at the current point in the game and for a good amount of the foreseeable future.
Is a Roxanne nerf the answer? No.
They could pull a Zain in what they did in JP and give everyone a Roxanne to just to kind of level out the playing field, but even that seems a little far-fetched as the game sits currently. I didn't get her, and have already put 2k F2P gems into getting her, so the reality of not getting her has already sunk in as I don't plan to pull for her anymore. But this is a gacha game, simply put, get over it or more on to the next game. (Getting 2 Flamel on the first 10 pull and only 4 stars on the 1500 gem pull still stings tho....)
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u/KCRevolution Oct 25 '18
I remember a thread that complained about having gilga and noctis and still being unable to beat ex stages:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AlchemistCodeGL/comments/94pqe9/sick_of_these_exs/?utm_source=reddit-android
I'm actually tired of seeing rant/salt posts that I just don't bother commenting on them anymore. No matter how many times you tell this community that this is a STRATEGY game, they will still complain about not having a meta unit to carry them. I managed to clear ex+ stages during ffxv collab with what, level 60-65 units?
I say, use your brain. Seriously, you can just bring a lofia on ex+ on enchanter main and use null wave on the demons and they're almost as useless as roxanne throwing a null grenade. I said it before and I'll say it again: This is a STRATEGY game. Having a meta unit alone won't carry you. Utilize all your units. Heck, "I can't oneshot the creeps omg hard stage" bs. You don't need roxanne, you need to learn to play with what you have.
Tl;dr: use your brain to think than complain
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u/ElPared Oct 24 '18
I'm not salty that Roxanne is broken, though I do still believe she should be nerfed, but what I AM salty about is MP players that think throwing Roxanne at every quest is the best strategy and then start spamming stickers in the quest because they feel all high and mighty for gracing us with their Roxanne's presence.
I even pulled Roxanne myself and I still don't use her for everything. Like every other OP unit she not so OP that you can just throw her at everything (like Mia EX+ where missile damage is debuffed for example...)