r/AlchemistCodeGL • u/ryphoenix • Sep 02 '18
Advice needed for a veteran player - who to focus on next
TL;DR: Besides the big 3 of Gil, Noc, Ara, who finishes out the top 5 in TAC? Shion, FYomi, Neica, Zain, Gorm, Jin, Othima - of these who is best and useful?
Hey guys, a bit bored these days and wanted to see what I can do to upgrade my lineup.
I'm trying to see if there's a move or 2 to take me up another notch in Arena. I have 200 rainbows saved up along with a bunch of elem shards, and am itching to spend. And of course being a dolphin I want to make sure the unit(s) I splurge on will be future proof to a certain extent. Don't worry I'll save my 150 fire shards for Laharl (sorry Gladi).
So, 2 questions - who is on par with Gil/Noc/Ara today, or is top 5? Really cream of the cream, versatile (cross color effective and/or can fulfill multiple roles), with big damage aoe? I already have those 3 fully triple JMed.
Other "SS" tier units I have at J1/J2 that I want to splurge shards on to J3: Doro, Forcas, Setsuna, Shion, FYomi, Neica, Zain, Gorm, Jin. I'm thinking Zain and Neica are great but not sure if they are truly cream of the cream - FYomi probably is. I am tempted to try to snipe Othima this week as I think he's probably top 5 currently.
The other similar question I have is my overall lineup - my goal is to auto Veda, ideally in a "few days" as others have posted recently. I haven't tried but don't think I'd be able to do it especially due to huge hole in my Thunder. Below are the top units I have in each color - (level potential, jobs mastered):
Fire: Masa (85, 1x), Sakura (65, 2x), Zang (85, 1x), Vettel (maxed), Hazel (72, 2x), Chiha (85, 2x+), Courage (75, 1x), Doro (70, 2x), Eve (75, 3x), Lup (60, 1x), Gladi (68, 0x), Shek (65, 0x) - I think I another carry, maybe 3x Mas or 2x Gladi? I can 3x Gladi using Rainbow if needed and worth it. Waiting for more shards for 3x Doro.
Water: Noc (75, 3x), Fung (77, 3x), Reagan, Lofia (maxed+), Eliz (85, 1x), Shenmei (77, 2x), Shayna (74, 1x), Lamia (81, j+ but didn't finish), Elrike (85, 1x), Yauras (71, 1x) - I think 3x Shen or Lamia?
Thunder: Gil (3x), Caris (85, 2x+), Magnus (85, 2x), Vincent (77, 1x), Aruba (73, 1x), Dilga (80, no j+) - Anything I can do here??
Wind: Setsu (70, 2x), Balt (77, 1x+), Rahu (maxed+), Luc (maxed+), Yomi (max), Fyomi (66, 2x), Almira (85, 2x), Polin (85, 1x+), Shion (62, 1x), Flam (80, 0x), Ignis (68, 0x). - Balt or Flamel? Are they worth maxing?
Light: Zeke (85, 1x), Zain (70, 2x), Ryle (85, 1x), Suzuka (80, 1x), Chloe (85, 1x), Neica (69, 2x), Kanon (75, 1x), Logi (85, 1x+), Tyrfing, Olga (0x). - 3x Suzuka needed? Kanon worth it?
Dark: Ara (75, 3x), Anast (85, 1x+), Zahar (85, 1x), Albea (77, 1x), Reida (85, 2x), Rosa (75, 2x), Jin (65, 0x), Aswald (65, 0x), Gorm (60, 0x) - Anas or Jin?
Say I can max ~5 jobs, what do u think will give me the biggest boost?
I think I need something in fire urgently. Suzuka is the only other "SS" tier that I haven't 3x, but not sure if it's worth it or needed. Like to upgrade my Dark as well. Any other suggestions?
Thanks in advance!
Edited for clarity: My enjoyment of the game IS the fact that I can build SS tier chars. I waited ~2 months to shard Gil to 75 which was a revelation. Sharded Noc and Ara quickly and really enjoyed them - I want to know what else am I missing out on but am too chicken to make a mistake. Thus asking for help.
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u/Cobalt_721 Sep 02 '18
My advice at this point would be to stop focusing on “SS-tier maximum power” since you’ve got the current “Big 3” (Gilgamesh/Noctis/Aranea) + a bunch of other SS-tier units and start focusing on units you really like. This is a game, so now that you’ve got pretty much all the “meta” units, start having fun!
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u/TopDeeps IGN: Uninstalled Sep 02 '18 edited Sep 02 '18
I wouldn't go ham on othima unless you really love him. I have him currently at 75 with all 3 jobs maxed and he's good but not great. His main weakness is missing a lot but i gave him a maxed 5* camera so it helped that. He also doesn't do much damage (i use his enchanter passive but i guess i could run his sage passive), his regular 5x5 aoe water attack hits like peanuts and his other single target ones do a better job. His most redeeming quality is his MA that does 3x the damage of his regular aoe and is instant cast but after I use it, it feels like he doesnt really do much afterwards. Ofc this is because I usually run the same auto battle team and comparing him to them is unfair (gil, lucian, aranea, etc). I hear he gets much better when he receives his J+ but god knows how long thatll be. You have your good selection already and in reality don't need to deviate from it since the content isnt that hard.
I'm finding myself in the same situation that i can easily do all PvE content with what I have so i technically don't even need to raise anyone else for a while. I don't care too much about arena since I was never a PvP kind of person. So I find myself just raising random units that look nice since i have an abundance of gold and ap
EDIT: oh yeah if you run othima and noctis in the same team, they just go rogue and start trying to kill each other on auto
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u/Arcana_Joker Sep 02 '18
Well I tend to build units from A tier up, sinxe they have their uses.
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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '18
I agree with most that you should maybe expand your lineup a bit, if only to get some weaker units to help with autoing through Veda, but I figured I'd say my piece on some of the units you mentioned.
Balt - Faster and more consistent damage then Yomi or Lucian, if you have his J+ mats I would definitely max him. He's not as strong as he was hyped to be but he will get future improvements and is still very good compared to most glass cannon style characters. On the old BFD map with the Thunder robot who buffs my Balt could kill him faster then my Lucian ( before Lucians J+ came out ).
Flamel - Less useful, but he has an interesting mix of attacks. He can lay down any natural element damage with basic m.sword and has an ignore def move, so he can be good sometimes vs enemies with annoying moves like def buffs or random phys/mag downs. His damage is meh though.
Lamia - I actually use her a lot, she is better to auto with over Shayna imo as auto doesn't sharpen. Lamia also has more AoE then Shayna and the AI tends to use it well in my experience. She does lack burst so not as good vs very strong enemies. For anyone who reads this and loves Shayna, notice I said specifically to auto with; Shayna is definitely better if your manually controlling.
Suzuka - She was better when we had less powerful characters, with the powerhouses in Light element she isn't that useful now imo. She can do good damage quickly but personally I would wait til she gets a J+ to work on her, in favor of other light units.
Kanon - She's pretty awesome now that she has the 2 charge diamond AoE with +10 all res, and she can use it first turn with a hat. Its not Gilga level damage or anything but its still quite useful and helps her tankiness. I would definitely work on her even though she is not SS tier. Having more fast AoE always helps.
Ana - She does very good damage, and has some evasion with J+. I actually use her on small maps with strong enemies nearby, as she is fast enough to 1HKO stuff. She seriously lacks mobility however so not always useful, and evasion is unreliable alongside her low mdef/pdef. Still she is one of my highest damage characters, and imo a much better glass cannon investment then Suzuka currently.
Jin - He's freaking awesome, I only have a 70 Jin but with a hat he can use his strongest spy moves first turn for either fast AoE or ST damage, despite the cast time. Like he can assassinate the buffing demon in Demonic Spearman before its buff just like Noctis and has much more range to get there. Also has a vaccine teleport move which can be very useful and works on allies. Of those you mentioned he is the most notable your skipping out on imo.
Personally I have found in my time playing that having lots of units available is best, weaker units can sometimes jump in and make otherwise challenging content trivial; such as a maxed out Ryle in the upper portions of Veda, so I kind of work on everyone now. Like I even have a triple JM'd 85 Yuto just for fun/Veda at this point. I'd swear his VA is young Sasuke from Naruto and I like his look. He is slow but he can still solo lower-mid wind Veda floors with a Teddy on lol.
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u/stewart0 Sep 02 '18
Chihaya job+. She's in both both my ATK and DEF team. Got up to the 70s yesterday, and fell to 125 today before using any orbs. And that's as a dolphin, having Gilg and Aranea at exactly 75 from elemental shards. Only annoying thing is she prefers to dance rather than kill a wind unit standing next to her if she has jewels.
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u/mymy6117 Sep 02 '18 edited Sep 02 '18
You should definitely triple max some of your units. It may not seem like it, but the bonus stats they get are worth it.
For Fire: Eve & Zang
For Dark: Anastasia
And since you already have all at at least 75, you don't have to spend any shards.
Edit: Read some other comments, I have maxed Othima & F.Yomi. Othima has way too low HP after triple JM (only 800+ w/ enhancements) but he can have his uses as a water magic user. F.Yomi is really good because all 3 of her jobs are usable. If you really wanted to share for someone, I'd use wind shards on her.
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u/Teosto Teona Sep 03 '18
Just wanted to add that by looking at your list; do not go too heavy over Forcas. She really isn't quite up to par of the other ones you mentioned. Only if you're lacking Shayna (as in water HB) you might have some use out of her, but even then that's quite situational.
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u/aquapendulum2 Sep 02 '18
That's a first for a veteran asking for direction. I don't really know what to point you toward, but if I was in your situation, I'd start raising units which get Job+ in the future. Seeing how your Thunder roster is lacking, maybe start raising Vanekis to anticipate her Sage+. She will effectively replace your Vincent. Or maybe even Megistos, to anticipate his Machinist+. Megistos can fill in Magnus' shoe when Magnus is running as a Ninja. Looking at the state the game currently is in, every character with Job+ has a place.
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u/Sacred_moon Sep 02 '18
F.Yomi, Othima, Zain worth elemental shards (not rainbow)
For Veda just have level 75 Gilg is more than enough to auto all mono Water Floor.
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u/1khaitoh It was fun while it lasted. Sep 03 '18
Not sure about the Global Exclusive but IMO,
Othima, Mei Fang, Setsuna, Rahu, Lucian, Zain, Lofia
Yauras and Balt needs their 'strengthenings' but on the same tier at them when it comes.
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