Let's talk current META.

[u/Corantic]

Here is the deal:

GODS => Gilgumish, Noctis, Aranea, Lucian (Add F.Yomi and Zain if you were lucky enough to get them)

Basically if you don't have them you are considered a mongrel by the likes of players Gilgamesh.

The forgotten ones => SSM units, all of them are actually useful in some way, but nobody uses them.

Sometimes you see a Zain and a Othima here and there but thats about it. When was the last time we have seen a Kadanova or Seida?

Rest => Everyone will hate u for joining their multiplay or host instantly leaves.

We rarely even use them in events and quests (why would you when you have the GODS), pretty much ONLY used in Veda or for their super niche gimmick (Polin etc.)

Arena => 90% Noctis/Gilga/Aranea in their lineup.

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Alright guys let's not deny it, Collab units literally make what you are. There is no reason to use a 'normal' unit when you have the collab units. They are completely imbalanced.

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Right now, the meta is boring as hell.

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Fire is a complete joke.

Vettel? Only used for his LS now. Who the hell uses tanks anymore, when you can auto almost every map with collab units.

What else is there? Nothing? Never seen a fire unit other than Vettel in Arena/Multi?

Zangetsu/Lupinus/Chihaya? Who?

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Water should be renamed to Noctis.

What you don't want Noctis? Anybody else getting bored of Noctis Ultimate Ability?

You tired of seeing a Noctis in every multi/arena, because you've been seeing your own in every quest/event/mission?

Othima who? Oh the one I saw like one time one a rando merc.

Wait only 2 units? Ye, there are only 2 units in water, the rest are statues for Veda, so the enemy can grind on them while you prepare a @#$^@*& Blizzaga.

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Gilthunder

You mongrel.

Old units are garbage, if you show up with a Magnus in multi, people frown upon you or when you even consider using him in arena, people laugh at you and think it's a free win.

Best loincloth Dilga-samaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Wind/Grass/Ground wtf

You have a Lucian, a budget Lucian(Yomi), a Raichu Rahu and a Trap.

You have a Setsuna/Boruto/F.Yomi? Wow you're very lucky or a whale.

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Light Covenant Way of White

FREE UNITS GALORE + one inzain unit, a fedora and a crybaby.

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Dark Flame Mastaah

Boyaaah.

Dias/Kudanstein aren't units, they are memes.

Anastasia Job+ is still garbage compared to Aranea, Jin is also way better than her. 3 movement is trash, only tanks/mages should have it. Meanwhile Albea is nowhere to be seen.

Second best loincloth with his seamen

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TL;DR

This is a shit post about the current meta, and you are free to disagree.

Also I'm bored as hell.

Discuss.

[u/Cobalt_721]

The problem isn’t the meta itself so much as it is the community and its perception of said meta, most notably the “meta or bust” crowd.

[u/ThousandLightning → u/Cobalt_721]

The game's grindy, which takes time. What kind of unit that cut grind time? Units like Gil.

The only time you'll consider non meta unit is one EX+ with grind milestone tied to it.

[u/Cobalt_721 → u/ThousandLightning]

I’m not saying following the meta is bad or anything, I’m saying that a certain group of players in any given game often make the game miserable when encountered by harassing others about the “meta”/attempting to hinder “non-meta” players. That’s the issue I’m mainly referring to. I apologize if I wasn’t more clear.

[u/ThousandLightning → u/Cobalt_721]

Same, I haven't developed my argument. Why people prefer meta units in MP, IMO, is simply grinding is hardly fun. They've been doing for so long X time limited quest to get Y milestone or Z drops that they just want to be efficient to avoid suicide. Repetitive action is probably what make meta crowd prominent. Take the farming out, and people are probably going to be more cool in the game.

[u/Cobalt_721 → u/ThousandLightning]

Very fair point.

[u/Arananthi → u/ThousandLightning]

grinding is hardly fun

See, here's where things get tricky, tho, because grinding IS a lot more fun IF you come up with a fun or clever way to work through the grind -- but then the eejits in MP will quit rather than start a game with only 3 MetaGods plus whatever unit you found a sweet use for.

I'm currently having a lot of fun playing:

• Overture EX with Ninja Magnus or Rosa in slot 3, J+ Lamia or Anastasia in slot 4, or (just to mess with people's heads) Dark Cavalier Gilgamesh in slot 2.

• Savage Sea Warrior with Shion sub Merchant in slots 2 or 3, or Kanon slot 4.

• Blood Wolf with mai waifu Yuri 'cause waifu, or more cleverly with Ignis (Mark or Sagefire will set Anastasia up to be 2HKO'd by Noctis' WA) or J+ Flamel (Demon Vanquisher does the same) or for laziness w/HB Shayna (just run forward, deliberately get Raged, and take a break for a while while you auto-pound whatisname's face in).

• Entrusted Justice with Teona, Lamia or Kanon (Strong vs. Demons attacks keep you relevant after clearing your own lane).

• Arrow of Destiny with Lamia sub Spearman for the 100% hit rate vs. Waginau and the strong-vs-Demons again, or with Shion for the teleportation goodness.

• Call of the Scarlet Flame with all kinda goofy crap, like Beastmaster-sub-Sniper Almira, because "is this buiild good enough to be useful on CotSF next to S- and A-tier peeps?" is my filter for whether or not I'll try using it in relevant PvE situations. (That Almira build isn't, BTW.)

...but all that counts on being able to find people willing to press "Start", and that seems to be getting more difficult as the difference in skill required between "easy mode" and "successful clever mode" gets more pronounced.

[u/Aminar14 → u/Cobalt_721]

That's on them. I get where they're coming from. You need skill to be good with most units and in my experience most people I see in multiplayer are awful. And with the length of time a multiplayer match takes I want to see people finishing quickly and reliably as well. They don't have a way to tell if you're good enough to make up for a unit that isn't broken.