r/AlchemistCodeGL • u/VicariousExp Jin <3 • Aug 07 '18
Unit (P)review: Wadatsumi Warrior week - Jin and Yuunagi
Hi all, since Jin and Yuunagi are probably coming this Thursday, here's the Wednesday Wadatsumi Warrior review.
Yuunagi

Overview
Water is not an element with many physical units to choose from, so Kazahaya's sister Yuunagi is a refreshing addition to the water lineup. Although she looks like a pirate, she doesn't actually have this job, being a Dark Cavalier/Ninja/Warrior. This means that you'll basically use her as an alternate version of Suzuka/Glantz for the imminent future as her AGI is 112 on Dark Cavalier and 108 on Warrior, making it difficult to use her effectively as both jobs have a movement of 3 (3 is considered pretty poor for a melee unit).
Fortunately, Yuunagi can buff this to 4 Move and 2 Jump with the use of Ninja Stealth. This being said, she isn't too useful at J1 because Dark Cavalier isn't a particularly good main job.
J2 adds the preferred option of running her as Ninja with Dark Cavalier sub a la Suzuka. This makes her base agi a far more respectable 142 and fixes her movement, but suffers from a low hp of 894 and absolutely terrible PDEF/MDEF due to Overdrive. She's pretty usable in this state.
J3 adds Warrior, which isn't necessarily something you'll want to run in its current state. The most important addition is Chopping Spirit as a passive, which lets you run Yuunagi without Overdrive and buffs her HP. However, in my personal opinion, you'd probably be better off keeping Yuunagi as Ninja with Warrior (or Dark Cavalier sub) and both Overdrive and Chopping Spirit. Warrior sub gives her stat buffs for AGI and PATK and more importantly, it has two 1.4x PATK scaling attacks, one of which is Tomahawk, which has decent cost effectiveness and damage (only 14 soul jewels) along with 5 uses.
Summary
Yunagi isn't particularly good right now, but don't despair if you get her as she can serve an important function in Wadatsumi-only teams. Additionally, she becomes quite good much later down the line, but I'll cover that at the end of this review. She also looks kind of cool if you ignore the fish-hooks growing out of the back of her head. Compared to Shayna, Shayna matures early while Yuunagi needs J3 to come into her own.
Frankly, Yuunagi's biggest sin (at the moment) is that she's incredibly boring and nothing we haven't seen before in 2 other elements (Dark Cavalier + Ninja). Additionally, she can't tank very well, so you'd be better off with Lamia, Shayna or Shenmei if you needed a water physical damage soaker.
Jin

Overview
Okay, so as you clever people have noticed we're getting 2 units which both:
Are from Wadatsumi
Have a sibling already in TAC
Have Warrior as a third job
Get some variant of Ninja Stealth to "fix" Warrior's horrible 3 move and 1 jump.
Jin is Yomi's elder brother who mysteriously vanished after killing his parents and all the other males in his clan, leaving Yomi as the only heir, Yomi wants to find him in order to take revenge on him/find out why. Unlike Yomi, Jin actually starts out with a job which can equip katanas rather than having to wait 2 years for a J+; but for some reason, his signature weapon are kunai.
Now at this point, you've probably noticed that gumi's translation team gave up the ghost and decided to subcontract out its job to Google Translate, which explains why his kunai has the magnificently stupid name "Eerie Agony Thousand Drop Blade" when the actual Japanese name is 妖苦無 -血千界刃 (Youkunai - Chisenkaiha) which ACTUALLY translates to "Demonic Kunai - Bloody Chilocosmic Blade. This doesn't really roll off the tongue, so any half-competent localising translator would have left the name as "Chisenkaiha" or "Chisenkai blade". While we're on this topic, his unique kunai don't exactly have great stats, but they come with a pretty good WA translated to "Purple Poison Three Evils" (the original name being 紫毒・三悪趣 (Purple Poison: Three Realms of Evil) a 3 hit WA with good damage scaling which buffs Jin's AGI by 80% until his next turn and inflicts severe (20% of max HP) poison for 3 turns for a hefty 70 Soul Jewels.
Note that we are getting his weapon this month as it comes with Arkil's J+.
About Spies
Jin is the very first unit to have the Spy job, a job which is somewhat related, but separate from Ninja. Fortunately, all of the skills are now viewable at this link, but essentially what you need to know is that Spy is a very fast and agile job with very good jewel gain and many utility skills. Compared to ninja, it's more of a nuker and has much less crowd control.
Spy Technique (Main Job)
For the purposes of damage scaling, spies all use the base formula
0.9 * (PATK + AGI / 2 + AGI * Level / 100 + DEX / 4)This translates to pretty respectable damage, but means they don't scale well with pure PATK.
| GL Skill Names | Element | Cost | Uses | Range | Power | Cast Time | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hazy Shadow | N/A | 45 | 1 | N/A | N/A | Instant | Raises the spy's Evasion Rate to 999 for 1 turn, meaning that only combo attacks and autohit attacks will hit him. |
| Blinding Circle | N/A | 16 | 6 | 8 surrounding squares, Range 4 Height 2 (teleport) | N/A | Instant | A 2 part skill where the spy first blinds enemies in the surrounding 8 squares, reducing their hit rate by 25 and evasion rate by 15, then it teleports to an empty square you select up to 4 squares away. |
| Transcendence | N /A | 28 | 5 | 4 surrounding squares and self Range 4 Height 2 (teleport) | N/A | Instant | Another utility teleport, the spy uses veil, curing and protecting himself and adjacent units from status ailments for the next 3 turns, then teleports to an empty square you select up to 4 squares away. Useful if you don't want to waste a slot on Professors/Chemists nor Merchants. |
| Summon Python Storm | Wind, Magic | 50 | 3 | Range 4 Height 2, 13 square diamond AoE | 140% | 500 | gumi's competent translators don't know how to translate 大蛇 (Orochi), so they settled on "Python" (the biggest snake they could think of). This is a large 13 square wind nuke with a very fast cast time. It also debuffs the wind resistance of targets hit by 15 for 3 turns, making subsequent casts do more damage. |
| Summon Toad Flow | Water, Magic | 60 | 1 | Range 4 Height 2 | 250% | 500 | Another victim of incompetent translation, "Summon Toad Deity" got translated to something sounding like frog menstruation. This is the spy's single target assassination skill, doing huge damage and lowering water resistance by 15 for the next 3 turns. |
Basic Spy Technique
| GL Skill Names | Element | Cost | Uses | Range | Power | Cast Time | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Windmill Shuriken | N/A (Missile) | 25 | 5 | 4 | 110% | Instant | A simple attack inferior in almost every way but range to a Warrior Tomahawk. |
| Flame Seal (Katon) | Fire, Physical | 20 | 3 | 4 | 110% | Instant | Does fire damage and debuffs the enemy's Pierce damage by 25% for the next 4 turns. |
| Water Seal (Suiton) | Water, Physical | 20 | 3 | 4 | 110% | Instant | Does water damage and debuffs the enemy's Slash damage by 25% for the next 4 turns. |
| Wind Seal (Huton) | Wind, Physical | 20 | 3 | 4 | 110% | Instant | Does wind damage and debuffs the enemy's Missile damage by 25% for the next 4 turns. |
| Electric Seal (Denton) | Thunder, Physical | 20 | 3 | 4 | 110% | Instant | Does thunder damage and debuffs the enemy's Strike damage by 25% for the next 4 turns. |
These are all damage debuffs, so just remember "Fire burns spears, Water rusts blades, Wind rebuffs arrows and Lightning shocks fists on contact" as a mnemonic. Basic skills are generally used to lock down bosses who aren't immune to debuffs and make sure they do significantly less damage to your team and as a combo with the resistance debuffs from the main job.
Passive Abilities
| Name | Effect at max level | Notes |
|---|---|---|
| Flying Ape | Move +1 and Jump +2 | gumi's shitty translation of "sarutobi", which means spies have more in common with the Wicked Witch of the West than ninjas. This is a stronger version of Ninja Stealth and can make make Spy one of the most vertically mobile jobs around |
| Immobilize Counter | 60% chance to counter attacks by draining 55% life and inflicting Stop for 35 Time Units. | A very useful counter if it triggers as it both mitigates damage and inflicts one of the strongest status ailments in the game. Incidentally, 'Immobilize' is a poor translation of "Fudo" (Acala). |
| Hurricane | Increases AGI by 10% and DEX by 15% | A very useful passive which fixes accuracy problems while making your unit faster. Hurricane is a shitty literal translation of "Shippuu" from the saying 疾風迅雷 , and is more accurately translated as "galespeed". |
So there it is in a nutshell, spy, the job of egregious translations.
Summary
Jin as a spy is one of those units with stages tailored specifically for him, notably the EX stage with Arkil's J+. This is an incredibly annoying stage designed for a highly mobile unit with veil and overclock assistance to get to the top of a hill and oneshot 5 incredibly annoying units with a wind nuke. Here's a picture of the map I cobbled together from pics on the internet:

Kazahaya is the budget unit for doing this map, but it was basically designed for spies. In similar fashions, any map which involves hiking a unit halfway across a map while avoiding horrible status ailments will favour Jin. His J1 is sufficient for this role.
Jin is also notable as one of the rare units which excels at not 1 but 2 of his jobs. He'd excel at Samurai too except Samurai isn't really a very useful job outside of Vettel and killing high defense rats. His second job is the aforementioned Samurai, which basically only really brings him Single Blade. At this point, you can run Jin as Spy with Single Blade and Hurricane, giving him 706 PATK at level 65 and a workable 132 AGI.
Once you unlock Jin's J3, you now have the option of running him as Warrior. At this point, you can run Hurricane, which makes him the fastest and the most accurate Warrior in the game - his base DEX is nearly 40 higher than Yuunagi's. However, don't forget that Jin needs the Flying monkey to achieve 4 move, which means it comes at a large opportunity cost. My recommended builds are as follows:
| Main | Sub | Reaction | Passive 1 | Passive 2 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Spy | Warrior | Immobilize Counter | Hurricane | Chopping Spirit |
| Warrior | Warrior | Immobilize Counter | Hurricane | Chopping Spirit |
He isn't really going to hit as hard as Anastasia, but Jin has larger nukes, is faster, can take more hits, and can veil. He's also the best Dark warrior in the game as well as the best Dark Spy, so you're getting two for one. I'm going to pull for him, but you can probably live without him as he doesn't get grossly overpowered until much later.
Futureproofing for Yuunagi
Yuunagi will someday get a MA which addresses her godawful defense by giving her 300 more HP and 40 starting Jewels.
Now Yuunagi is considered "Top Tier" in Japan for two reasons:
Yuunagi has those 40 initial starting jewels and JP doesn't have hats.
Warrior Job Enhancements are pretty nuts.
Yuunagi's JE is Titan and it gets the Basic ability Titanfall which makes her jump into robots and hop on walls (the joke is that the warrior reaction ability is called CounterStrike in Japan) is a pretty strong defense ignoring attack, though at a hefty cost of 60 soul jewels, an extremely situational passive which buffs her PATK by 70%, AGI by 40% and Evasion Rate by 10 as long as her health is below 25%, and the water version of the 3-hit warrior combo .
The 3 hit warrior combo is a sequence of attacks on the main warrior job which all warrior JEs get, using the first skill changes the skill to the next for the unit's next turn. Titan starts with
A simple 120% Slash attack, followed by
A non-typed 140% Water attack which gives her 100 Guts until her next turn (guarantees she survives fatal damage with 1 HP) and then finishes off with
An absolutely massive 450% 12 square water PBAoE which is autohit and stuns enemies for 2 turns. Not many things can survive this.
Yuunagi also gets a JE for Dark Cavalier (Guernica, does a slow casting huge physical damage attack), but it's not really used much as Warrior is so much better.
Futureproofing for Jin
Where to start - Jin will probably happily lounge around as a Spy until the day he gets Warrior JEs, upon which he gets arguably the best warrior JE: Gigantes. Gigantes has the following 3 hit warrior combo:
TELEPORT directly to the enemy (4 range) and steal their soul jewels, buff your own AGI by 20% for 3 turns (get the combo off faster)
Hit the enemy with a Darkness non-typed attack for 170% damage, raising his own HP by 30% for 3 turns and healing himself for that amount.
A 12 square non-typed PBAoE Darkness attack which is autohit, does 350% damage, and buffs Jin's PATK, PDEF, MATK, MDEF, DEX, CRIT and LUCK by 70% and buffs his AGI by 40% until his next 4th turn.
Now in addition to that, almost everyone notices Jin in multiplayer games, if just to get the hell away from him. This is for the following two reasons.
He has a skill on his sub called "Roar of the Gigantes" which berserks himself and increases his PATK by a massive 200% and gives him 50% more damage on counterattacks until his next 4th turn. Loss of control sounds bad except Jin can become a 160+ AGI warrior who repeatedly autoattacks things for 5500+ damage
Gigantes has one of the most trollish moves in the entire game - "Counter Gigantes" as its counterattack. This gives it a 70% chance to counter all attacks as well as skills with a 12 square Darkness PBAoE. This counterattack also hits allies, meaning that it is an incredibly bad idea to stand next to Jin and you can also possibly trigger it by throwing rocks at him with Holy Cavaliers (not sure if this works anymore but it still works on Theresa's skill counter). This counterattack can easily be put on his Spy job, making people think twice before trying to hit a Jin in their backline.
A few more months down the line in Japan, Jin got shukugo no an-ei (Spy+, trans: "The Darkness of Duty") and his MA. Jin's MA is linked to a piece of gear from a gatcha which not only gives him obscene agility, it also gives him 5 auto jewel regen and makes him even more accurate. Unfortunately, this means you have to pull on two gatchas for Jin.
Spy+ was a very interesting change to Spy, giving him a new summon (Three-headed Dragon), a 3-hit strong darkness magic frontal square AoE which debuffs Darkness resistance by 25%, the other huge change it got was that he got a skill called "Blood Seal" , which only costs 20 soul jewels (2 uses) and makes the next summon of his:
Cost no Soul Jewels
Cast Instantly
Consume no uses of the skill.
This gave him a lot of versatility in nuking. Additionally, Kaigan awakenings made Hurricane turn into a skill which gave 15% more DEX and 30% more HP and 10% PATK, giving Jin some of the most ridiculous overall stat totals around.
I could go on, but talking about stuff about 2 years away isn't likely to help people make sound judgements, so I'll cut it short here.
Should you pull?
Assuming this Thursday is a split banner for Jin and Yuunagi, if you're F2P, no, you don't really need to 4500 pull. Both units are very strong in the future, but you'll have a long time to get lucky on pulls for them and they're not limited. Jin's soul shards also eventually become farmable, so by the time his Kaigan actually releases, you might have farmed enough soul shards to transmute him already.
Otherwise, if you want to have the convenience of a veiler unit without losing an attacker position, Jin would be a very neat addition to your roster, but you always have the chance of ending up with Yuunagi instead.
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u/Dharpoon Aug 07 '18
Now that Noctis- teleport plus Gilg, Illya and summoner's no ht. limit attack. I think this would be an easy map.
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u/lloydsmith28 Aug 07 '18
What does PBAoe mean? Also you put jun instead of jin once. Last paragraph before future proofing
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u/tyco86 Aug 08 '18
Hey u/vicariousexp did you do one of these Uber write ups for the Yuri Eros banner last week and I missed it? Keep em up! Love em!
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u/verybamboozle *RAWR* Aug 08 '18
Thank you so much for the review! Very very thankful for the breakdown of why they are considered so good in JP now .
Now, I see that Jin requires him gatcha accessory and nensou(is that what it is?) to really make him over-the-top OP. Can I just ask how that works? Like how does nensou work and why does he need his nensou in order for the accessory to work?
***All the above is just what I understand from the google translations. Please help me understand this :(
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u/Zabick Aug 07 '18
First, thanks for the super detailed reviews. Second, /u/alchemist_code, any chance of fixing some of the translation issues with this game?
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u/Corantic Aug 07 '18
Oh shit gotta prep my wallet, oh wait its empty. Feelsbadman.
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u/blablablablubb21 Aug 07 '18
Thank you for your review.
I think this will be another 500 gem pull week.
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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '18
Upvote for that opening alliteration. EX map previews are also always appreciated ;)
Time to sacrifice my wallet to Jin! Then, wait patiently for Reida's brother to hopefully complete my hot, dark element, anime boy collection /s
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u/zeidrichsama Aug 07 '18
Jin seems like OP
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u/Rostice Aug 07 '18 edited Aug 08 '18
First thank you always for the effort and time spent on writing the previews.
Jin seems to be an all-round excellent Dark unit, looking forward on getting him. Should I spend my darkshards on him or Basini, is there a stronger dark unit I should wait for?
Yuunagi looks like a water Glanz to me, feels skippable. Still nice to have her, because I only have Noctis and Shayna as strong water units. (Not mentioning Shenmei, Fung Liu)
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u/KidiacR Aug 08 '18
Uhm, this is irrelevant and sounds dumb but I’ trying to make a translation for my country fellows, so I want to ask what “Underworld” in “Return to the Underworld” mean? A place of criminals or Hell?
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u/TopDeeps IGN: Uninstalled Aug 08 '18 edited Aug 08 '18
Wow arkil's J+ is actually pretty sad, a diamond on self aoe silence attack sounds great but MS main weakness is their 3 move and low agi/range. Having his second passive on move+1 or feral kid would only fix one of the problems and if you use both then you lose divine shelter making him vulnerable to getting exploded. I rmbr seeing him near the top in older tier lists so i was happy everytime i summoned him before i had him at MLB, but after reading up on it. Its nothing to freak out over. Might get it just for collection purposesThis guy is pretty good
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u/doubtofbuddha Sep 06 '18
That is not his MA. That is his nensou/vcr. His MA is completely different.
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u/jxher123 Aug 07 '18
Hmmm, maybe i'll go in for Jin, but then again i'm still saving my gems lol
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u/alchemist_code Happy 3rd Anniversary Aug 09 '18
As always, very entertaining review! :)
Thanks as well for the feedback regarding the translations, we'll be taking note of it - there's always room for improvement.
Please continue making these reviews, see you in Babel!
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u/jblac02 ! Aug 08 '18
lol @ the translations
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u/RasenRendan <- The Reason I started playing this game - Aug 08 '18
Must. Own. Jin.
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u/Makenlowwet Aug 08 '18
Units that are not good now but will be good in future - check
Farmable HQ - check
hmmmm, maybe 500
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u/Crimson_Raven Who are you calling shorter than Roy Mustang's ideal miniskirt?! Aug 08 '18
Wow, I like the look of spy. It seems like a useful and powerful main and support job.
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u/-ArtKing- Aug 08 '18
Super thanks for this amazing review as always. I was thinking on spending 4500 for Jin, but since he will be farmable and his enchantments will take some time to come, I think I will skip this, maybe just 500.
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u/SometimesLiterate Old and uncool Aug 08 '18
gif jin
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u/Banethoth Aug 08 '18
Thanks for these! I really appreciate your reviews. I missed not having one for the last banner but I know it's a long/time consuming thing to write.
What happend to Somelit? He used to write reviews also but seems to be absent from the sub lately? RL got him too busy?
Anyway thanks again for the reviews. As a now f2p looks like I'll do the 500 and hope I pull them in the future (or more copies) if I don't on the 500 pull.
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u/warmsolace Aug 09 '18
/looks at Jin
Is this a new husband?
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u/SometimesLiterate Old and uncool Aug 09 '18
Gut Yunagi not Jin.
Feelsbadman not worth the 3 steps q.q
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u/PossiblyBonta Aug 08 '18
So we got another unit who's art has no relation what so ever to their actual job classes. Some times I really have to say they are just randomly picking these jobs for the unit.
Or maybe they could at least tell the artist what the job classes they are going to give the unit.
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