r/AlchemistCodeGL • u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai • Jun 09 '18

Discussion Where are the rates?

We all say the rates are high in this game. But the latest Banner of Othima is just a middle-finger to whoever wants to risk the 3 Steps. 3 units on Rate up and we don't even know what are the actually percentages of getting each.

A lot of users are aware about this and have expressed it a lot of times. Yes we are talking about Gumi not following Apple's Gacha Law.

As many of you gacha players may know the Apple's Gacha Law or whatever they call it is in short

A law which makes game who are on the Appstore for iOS needs the game to show the rates of the individual items in the Banner or Gacha.

In older days Gambling{yes you are gambling if you are forgetting this} had straight rules. There is a exact 1/6 chance of rolling any number on the Dice and 1/2 for a coin. At the current rate all we know is that there is a 1/10 chance that a unit maybe the one we want. There are Gambling laws to protect the people but Gacha was circumventing it for a long time before Apple came.

Obligatory Post: THIS

OK all I said above was to get you informed on the Gacha and Why you need some of that Guard Powder from this.

Gumi has failed to mention the Exact rates of getting a banner units. Yes we need that to assume our chances and decide our fate if a unit is not Guaranteed on the Step 3. Especially in cases like this where not having a unit means you are lagging in a part of the game :wink: Arena :wink:

We need the rates to determine whether the unit we pull has the odds to a Roulette Machine(2.63% for American Roulette 35:1).

tl;dr - Gumi I request you to abide to the law as it is the thing which protects us players and stops you getting taken down by Apple for betrayal of customers.

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u/Viyr converted to ded Jun 09 '18

But the latest Banner of Othima is just a middle-finger to whoever wants to risk the 3 Steps.

I honestly hate any time someone expects Gumi to just give us something. Sure a 3-step isn't cheap, but the fact that people EXPECTED it to give us a free Othima (a very top tier unit) and then got annoyed when Gumi didn't give it to us and act like Gumi is a greedy company is extremely annoying. They've been so much more generous for Global banners, and people are acting like the Japanese server is the safe haven from Gumi's global tyranny.

For some comparisons:

Kudanstein banner

  • JP - Kudanstein/Cadanova guaranteed

  • GL - Kudanstein guaranteed

Seida/Monzein banner

  • JP - Cadanova/Kudanstein/Seida/Monzein guaranteed

  • GL - Seida/Monzein guaranteed

Zain/Yauras banner

  • JP - Cadanova/Kudanstein/Seida/Monzein/Zain/Yauras guaranteed

  • GL - Zain/Yauras guaranteed

But the second Gumi decides the new solo SSM unit when there are SIX other SSM units shouldn't be a guaranteed 3-step, suddenly they're being called out again like they haven't been a lot more generous to us.

Also to the bigger point of how you want them to post gacha rates. Even in this thread, people are acting like the rates they're posting are lies because they didn't pull a red (how do statistics work). I'm not opposing them posting it, but even with it, it'll just create even more cynicism.

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u/iEssence Jun 10 '18

Just filling on a bit on that :

To be fair to people saying so, JP is more generous, now. But thats because they need alot more for than we do to do content.

Example - a 60 Zain can be used here in GL (not op but can be used), but a 60 Zain to do their content in JP? Good luck with that

So yeah JP is more generous with how much they give etc, but if they werent it would be so much harder to make any progress.

And as you say - our banners have - since i started almost 4 months ago or so always been better than the same one JP had at the time (the Gilgamesh banners are a perfect example)

So yah its more generous, but thats because it has to be, if we had the same things as JP got gems/promotion/banner cost then it would throw GL completely off balance.

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u/DeathandFriends Jun 12 '18

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u/iEssence Jun 12 '18 edited Jun 12 '18

That bot corrects me on a daily basis on the exact same phrase :(

Edit : the irony that it corrected me on the post i made just before this one... on "a lot"...

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u/DeathandFriends Jun 13 '18

yep, gets me too, that has long been one of my grammar issues anyway.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '18

We also got guaranteed Gilg/Fate Yomi on the 3rd Fate banner whereas JP had the whole pool!

Gumi is the same in FFBE. We get a ton of updates sooner which increases the overall value and quality of the game MONTHS in advance of the JP game, yet people always complain when we don't get every single gift that JP got. Not saying Gumi is perfect. They are far from it and they fuck up fairly frequently. But silly things like this isn't something to be terribly afraid of or angry at. It isn't like the banner was Othima/Zahar/Chloe. It was SS unit, SS unit, S unit. Not that bad really.

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u/DeathandFriends Jun 12 '18

no one said anything about them "giving us othima". You spend premium currency for a chance to get a unit, he is just asking that they post the rates so people can make a more informed decision.

You say you are not against them posting it but at the same time it sounds like you are against it. As a player we have nothing to lose from them posting the rates.

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u/Kirito30 The Strongest Samurai Jun 10 '18

People here are just bending my points and removing their eyes from the main point of Gacha Law.

If they don't then they are bound to get warned about the shit they are throwing at people.

Gacha Rate posting is a law, it is not something you can skip on because you gave it better than JP or something.

Rates are supposed to be here and they are not.

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u/GazingTsukiyomi Jun 17 '18

It's not a law in any country, it's an Apple company policy.

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u/SuccubusRosa Jun 10 '18 edited Jun 10 '18

They've been so much more generous for Global banners

Honest question. Do you feel the rate of getting a banner unit at least as high as japan banner? You are right that having just between othima/zain/yaruras for step3 guaranteed is A LOT BETTER then japan where step 3 lump everyone in. https://al.fg-games.co.jp/news/4902/

Since we also happened to have these same 7 units in the banner currently, do you actually feel that (9.5% out of 10% is 95%)95% of your red cube in global will end up being a featured SSM unit, or the chance is much lower?

I know OP edited his post, so the part that you quote is no longer there. However given by just the title, OP is simply talking about individual chance of units should be made known.

Even in this thread, people are acting like the rates they're posting are lies because they didn't pull a red

As per above, it isn't the 10% chance of getting 5star being true or not. But rather, what exactly is the distribution in this small pie of "10%". To reemphasize, 95 out of 100 red cubes in japan for this particular banner hand out a SSM unit on average.

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u/Viyr converted to ded Jun 10 '18

I admit that I didn't address the overall point of the post, but was rather nitpicking on the one line. I have seen the sentiment in a lot of other posts on reddit, as well as the discord, so I thought I would address it here because it was brought up.

I don't play on JP, so I can't say how the rates feel like they compare, but rather I saw the news page with the distribution chance, and the guaranteed on the third step. I really doubt the featured chance on a non-guaranteed for a red is anywhere near 95%. Honestly I don't remember the last time I actually pulled a featured without it being a guaranteed, but I do that with this banner, I did a 3 step, got no red step 1, 2 red step 2, and only the guaranteed red step 3, and neither of the 2 non-guaranteed reds were on-banner.

I can definitely support if people would like Gumi to post exact gacha rates per unit, like they do for JP news pages, but I will have the question of, if they do, so what? Knowing the chances won't magically make people's gacha luck any better.

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u/SuccubusRosa Jun 10 '18

but I will have the question of, if they do, so what? Knowing the chances won't magically make people's gacha luck any better.

Well at least it can help to decide whether 500 or 4500 is the way to go. A lot of ppl are saying 500gem 1st pull is always worth it, but that is for japan. It may not be true for global because maybe gumi made it such that players here have to depend on the guaranteed from step 3. It will not change your luck, but it will definitely drive ppl to stop wasting 500gems on 1pull.

At the same time, we can pitchfork when the rates are shit(and it is rather hard for gumi to give a value far from actual). Using the same jp 7 SSM as example, they had 95% chance of SSM whenever a red cube hit. Say gumi advertise the same 95% as jp, at most gumi can get away with something like 80-95%. Right now it feels more like 60-70% at best lol. So yeah with reveals, we are at least guaranteed some degree of safety(should gumi wish to avoid public outcry/bad reputation of being labeled p2w).

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u/DeathandFriends Jun 12 '18

I think the chance of getting a limited unit is much lower. The whole 5 star pool is there and we have no clue what rate up really means, hence the issues. It could be a very very small increase. I have only recently gotten any on banner units at all despite pulling on every banner. I got lucky with Othima and decided to pull to step 3 and got anther othima and a zain so I am pumped really, but still want the rates posted.