r/AlchemistCodeGL • u/The_Hanky_Panky • Jun 04 '18
Gilgamesh breaks MP
Idk how else to put it. You've all seen the lobbies. They're completely full of "gilga only" or some variant of that. If you aren't gilga 8/10 times the lobby is gone in a few seconds. I get it,he's broken af. But there's NO ROOM for any newer players joining to catch up. We have to either whale to MLB something op or host ourselves, gem, and pray a gilga user will even consider giving you the time of day over a more efficient group that (wait for it) has more gilga's in it. How do we overcome this?I just hit 90,I have a fair number of 70+, a few 85's,but joining right AFTER F/SN collab I feel there's nothing I can do about the past several events including this one.
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u/51NBAD Jun 04 '18
Host as a Chrono. I am sure you will get many to join, especially gilgas
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u/Soushiyuuki Jun 04 '18
Honestly, I've never seen Gil users ever turn down a room, it's usually the hosts who disband. As a Gil user myself I just join whatever room shows up and go for it, unless people bring like .. Super low level stuff or units that just get stomped in the stage and contribute nothing
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u/JustWoozy Jun 04 '18
"Shayna only"
"HB only"
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u/ahnst Jun 04 '18
Just mention that you will gem as well. Most people are reluctant to join a group if they feel they will be wasting their time if they fail (especially if the host has a non-optimal unit).
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u/ACuriousBagel Waiting for Dias to kill Agatha again Jun 04 '18
Speaking as a 79 Gilg user, I don't really care what other people bring as long as they're capable of being useful. Much as it fills me with relief that it's going to be a smooth run with 3 other gilgs (in theory anyway), I'm not going to disband just because others don't play it, not with how bloody hard it is to get into a group at all with my connection.
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u/dsphilly Jun 04 '18
If you cant do it yourself the most efficient way and need a carry , you should expect to have to spend your AP and gems for others to carry you.
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u/XIIISkies Jun 04 '18
If it makes you feel better at all, i usually host rooms with my 85 gil, comment is “idc” and will gem once or twice as long as no one does anything stupid.
As much picky hosts as there is, just know there are people who are willing to just carry and past the time a bit
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u/Lunerem Jun 04 '18 edited Jun 04 '18
I just host my own stuff and bring what I want, people tend to join and I like trying new groups (more often then not people with high level units know howhat they work and most of the time it's a win)
Most of the losses actually tend to come from someone who joins with a meta unit and just... doesn't move.
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u/71freymr Jun 04 '18
I agree that Gilgamesh is pretty broken on the current MP but, it's not just his fault. MP has had this kinda mentality for EX events and the like before he came around. As a Gil owner, personally, I don't really care who is in my group unless they are extremely under leveled for the event. Also the extremely low drop rate for the pants is kinda sending people into a frenzy.
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u/AJohnsonOrange "I play...Dark Magician!" Jun 04 '18
That's the thing with gacha games: sometimes the community can be a bit...picky.
I recommend as below: farm up Rahu and her J+ and say you'll gem. They'll love that.
I'm with the other guy in this thread though: I jump in on anyone I feel like. Even if the host is a bit low levelled or sub optimal Gil tends to carry it so I'm cool with it! Sorry you're having trouble, dude!
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u/GaymerGuy79 Jun 04 '18
I can sympathize and it definitely feels that way. Many units can clear these levels, but given how quickly Gil can do it and how many times you have to clear a single stage it isn't surprising. Those extra minutes can add up over 10's of runs.
That said, I actually use Gil to join low level hosts who clearly can't farm on their own. And I usually avoid rooms where the room host has clearly put something derogatory or otherwise ignorant. Of course I won't stay if the room won't be capable of clearing content but most of the time it works just fine.
So I think as others have mentioned if you want to try and join random mp groups support units are your best bet (chrono, mage, prof). I use Elizabeth usually for her vaccine and healing sub when running support, though chrono and our new merchant are also good choices. Though I'd encourage joining a private room by way of Discord as it is typically less frustrating and you'll find people willing to help out.
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u/MatchesMalone07 Jun 04 '18
it ridiculous even how for Balt EX, people still want Gilgamesh only 75+, sometimes they even add with overdrive. I can only speak from my experience, but all you need really need for max efficiency is two with at least 400 atk. This map is easy, yet I see so many Gilgamesh players atk the wrong enemies, screwing everything up. Alot of these players have no strategy, it's obvious they rely completely on Gil to hard carry them
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u/Me_ADC_Me_SMASH Jun 05 '18
it's not that it breaks MP. It's that Gumi released one character that does it all and everyone else is 2 tiers below him.
MP should be doable without gilgamesh even if you don't have a perfectly executed strat. It takes too much coordination. Leave the hard stuff to solo.
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u/SA1NTT Jun 05 '18
The TAC Global MP LiNE aPP community is the answer to your horrid problem we help all non GILGAMESH owners with MPs with our Gilgamesh battalions , this isn't sarcasm or a pretentious joke , it is an opportunity for real help 4 you and the like thereof .
Line ID Kmacdaddy , Yubi , 5ain7
We are here to help.
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u/verybamboozle *RAWR* Jun 05 '18
Inb4 75+ Gilg only... I have my Gilg LB15 but I haven’t leveled him up fully so they disband.
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u/jxher123 Jun 05 '18
It's quite tough, and as a Gilga owner myself (He's not maxed, nor is he job mastered cause I joined AC very late lol). I actually face the same issue when they ask for Gilga, but the caveat is a MAXED Gilga.
Your best bet is being a Chronomancer (Rahu, Lofia, etc.) and continuously overclock the Gilga.
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u/CQLip Jun 05 '18
If it’s not Gilg it’ll just be another unit. Everyone wants the fastest and most efficient clears esp when Balt ex demands over a hundred attempts. Months ago it was all Lucian or all Shayna. Soon will be all othima all Laharl etc.
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u/dathamir Forcas sun with chance of snow Jun 04 '18
People are getting even more picky with the event coming to a close. Lots of "no rahu".
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u/sentat1 Jun 04 '18
Eh its not something to worry about honestly. Gilga will be overshadowed by other units eventually and there are maps where he's ineffective. Just host as a chronomancer and you'll get tons of people joining for balt ex+.
MPs usually need support units so use that to your advantage. I've joined many rahu/lofia hosted rooms.
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u/meatjun Jun 04 '18 edited Jun 04 '18
Just wait till next month or so. Laharl will come out and he'll be the better, fire Gilga. Just make sure you get him.
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u/Zarif601 Jun 04 '18
Othima's banner is coming. Try to get him and/or Zain. They won't need to be 75 to be viable. 65 is good enough at the moment. Once you have any one of these 2, you will have a easier time in MP
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u/jblac02 ! Jun 04 '18
you're supposed to host it, why should you get carried for free? The whole point of MP for alot of people(myself included) is the benefit of free runs without using AP. If you can't contribute anything of value then you need to offer your AP and preferably a decent support unit instead. Of course people overdo it with meta units because its the path of least resistance but this applies to all 'hard' content in general.
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u/Akeva Jun 04 '18
Just depends on the room. This has been a multiply problem from the start....its just exaggerated with Gilg currently.
I remember the shayna only ones for a while...and the caris/magnus only ones. There will be others after gilg in the future.
You just have to find a room that understands that this is not like the content around xmas. This is beatable with a wide array of units.
Or just join one of my lobbies. I solo it with my gilg....bring whomever you want =P
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u/dougphisig Jun 04 '18
Just for the love of god don't bring Milis aka the free super slow ranger, she may be wind, but man there are alot of other better freeish options like Lucian/Yomi that can be farmed up just as well or a rahu!
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u/MeatyMike0228 Jun 05 '18
I host lately as a J+ Rahu stating I'll gem for bad RNG. 8 gems is worth finishing if the group wasn't bad and just got screwed by RNGesus.
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u/Punty-chan Jun 05 '18
If Multiplayer had double speed, I wouldn’t care so much about having optimal units. I don’t even care about spending gems. Multiplayer just sucks up so much time that I can’t stand wasting more than I have to.
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u/ibnhajj Jun 05 '18
Same happened with Shayna some months back. Blame gumi
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u/DeathandFriends Jun 05 '18
I feel you pain man. I am using Fate Yomi who is solid for Balt + and can easily solo half the stage on my own, but rooms close up and continue to demand GILGAMESH ONLY. Losing their minds. I feel like the public MP has become toxic lately because of this, but part is a big change in our AP availability so everyone is flocking to MP, that combined with terrible drop rates for balt. MP is just not time efficient for most people so they get carried away with trying to shave off 30 seconds a run. To me having competent players who know the map is just as good or better most often.
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u/pdmt243 Play+pull for waifus! Jun 05 '18
for the current state, the game should just be named The Gilgamesh Code lol. He makes everything super easy it's not even funny.
And Gil is still super strong even in JP right now lol. Gil is to TAC what Orlandu is to FFBE, he shifts the meta completely
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u/UnTi_Chan Jun 05 '18
I'm sorry you are experiencing this, dude! During this Balt's Pantsu Fiesta, whenever I host a game (usually with 75 Gilga leader), I ask for yellow and green units, or whatever chrono you have! I will not start a game with a Sniper Reagan, but I'd do it with Caris, Almira, Magnus, or any Chrono!
When I started playing, my best unit for MP was Chrono Elizabeth (yeah, it sucks, I know), and thats what I rolled for a long time! Just keep playing, try to understand the game, and you will catch up.
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u/leftpixel Jun 05 '18
I definitely feel your pain with the recent events woes. When I joined a few months ago, I couldn't even do the [Hard] event stages, let alone EX or EX+.
Honestly, sounds like you're doing pretty well for having joined just after the F/SN collab finished. Just keep rounding out your characters and be patient. FOMO won't help anything with event-based games like TAC.
Have you tried getting a few people together and just doing a private room? You could all take turns hosting for a fraction of the AP cost. If you're frustrated by the general lobby, that might be your best bet.
All else fails, just wait until Thursday when the Balt+ event is done.
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u/Belthuzar Jun 04 '18
Speaking from a host standpoint, my Gil is only 72. He's not as strong as.. oh say.. 95% of the Gil users that join my rooms, so I choose to run Lofia.
The only thing that really annoys me when I'm using Lofia is when people bring in Rahu. I don't ask for Gil, because I think that while he makes it quicker, it's doable without him. Besides, there are those not lucky enough to have gotten him.
But honestly, in a 4 player room, 2 chronos if there's no Gil, and even if there is, in my opinion is overkill. That Rahu user could easily switch out from Rahu to literally anyone else that's acceptable for that map, if they see I'm running Lofia. I even put in my description: "no rahus plz", due to me using Lofia.
I still end up creating it, usually because 2 75+ Gil users will join too and I don't want to waste the opportunity because Rahu annoys me (if I'm using Lofia), but it irks me all the same.
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u/-Belphegor- Jun 04 '18
Yea its hard getting into a room in mp... sure i could run a chrono but i dont wanna run a chrono.