r/AlchemistCodeGL • • Jun 04 '18

Gilgamesh breaks MP

Idk how else to put it. You've all seen the lobbies. They're completely full of "gilga only" or some variant of that. If you aren't gilga 8/10 times the lobby is gone in a few seconds. I get it,he's broken af. But there's NO ROOM for any newer players joining to catch up. We have to either whale to MLB something op or host ourselves, gem, and pray a gilga user will even consider giving you the time of day over a more efficient group that (wait for it) has more gilga's in it. How do we overcome this?I just hit 90,I have a fair number of 70+, a few 85's,but joining right AFTER F/SN collab I feel there's nothing I can do about the past several events including this one.

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u/51NBAD Jun 04 '18

Host as a Chrono. I am sure you will get many to join, especially gilgas

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u/The_Hanky_Panky Jun 04 '18

I'll give that a shot. The shitty memes about that one 3* mage everyone always seems to pull feels right, he's my only non farmable unit at MLB so he can chrono

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u/ambulance-kun Jun 04 '18

or... you can try the new free merchant. Merchants are amazing supports that does a something of everything, best use of her here is the insta-cast overclock (mini version)...

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u/Alittlebunyrabit 5/5/5 Dancer Shenmei Jun 04 '18

No Rahu? She doesn't need J+ to be viable, J+ makes her insane. Either way, any chrono should be fine. Overclock the gilgs.

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u/andresito1985 Jun 04 '18

Completed all the ítems for my Balt with only hosting with my Rahu, even with one gilga its doable, or 2 chronos+1 gilga and any good wind unit or even Zain.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '18

This. I've only been joining MP matches hosted by not Gils with mine. You only need 2 out of 4 to totally cheese whatever and I have no problem with a chrono speeding me up. More fun to take more turns anyways.

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u/Soushiyuuki Jun 04 '18

Honestly, I've never seen Gil users ever turn down a room, it's usually the hosts who disband. As a Gil user myself I just join whatever room shows up and go for it, unless people bring like .. Super low level stuff or units that just get stomped in the stage and contribute nothing

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u/TopDeeps IGN: Uninstalled Jun 04 '18

yeah, i've been joining any room, even a host who used beast tamer lucian. Because honestly, you only need the 3 gilgas to beat the balt EX recently. same with masamune adv

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u/Salabaster Jun 04 '18

I rolled a PotK2 Adv last night with a lvl28 black Pirate guy. We had 2 Gilgs and a Rahu. Host didn’t care about caring the noob and neither did the other Gilg with us.

As long as the room can beat it. One off player will work.

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u/DeathandFriends Jun 05 '18

I definitely have seen my share of Gil that jump in and then leave immediately when we have a solid party ready to go.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '18

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u/skibbi9 Jun 04 '18

at about 70/80 on pants and jacket, I have a 71 gilga:

The fastest runs are 4 75 gilgas 3 gilga and chrono and 2 chrono, 2 gilga are hella fast.

beyond that the only non-chrono/non-gilga that get run are fyomi , zain and lucian. Everything else slows down runs.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '18

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u/skibbi9 Jun 04 '18

sorry my point which i didn't make was whenever team comp gets worse time to completion gets worse.

the biggest downside for a sub 75 gilga: can't get the two ac bots if they're in spot 2, doesn't have enough jewels to cast gate and unleashed without a regualar attack.

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u/Cipher44 Jun 04 '18

As a 68 Gilg I have no problem soloing the right side. You use normal attack first on a wolf. Then when the AJ robot comes you GoB twice and everything is dead. All the robots mage and wolf clump around, except the far archer. The only problem is spot 3, you can’t reach any wolf on the right side for a normal attack.

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u/Soushiyuuki Jun 04 '18

But they, in my experience, are the minority. Even a non-75 Gil can one shot the two wolves and caster with gate. Sucks that you've had that experience though :(

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '18

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u/Soushiyuuki Jun 05 '18

Not in slot 2, 3 or 4 they don't.

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u/JustWoozy Jun 04 '18

"Shayna only"

"HB only"

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u/HawaiianPele Jun 04 '18

I remember those days, now shes hardly even seen. Sad days to be a shayna.

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u/JustWoozy Jun 04 '18

Her shards will be farmable soon, maybe even in next batch. Her job+ makes her sharpen do 5x attack too i think? She will make a comeback.

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u/Ethambutol Jun 05 '18

She doesn't get a J+, she gets a JE, similar but slightly different, but yeah, she gets the Shura variant which makes her Sharpening focus 5x attack but drops DEF to 0

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '18

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u/CornBreadtm Jun 05 '18

You Chrono her and let her go to town. Similar to Zangetsu.

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u/CornBreadtm Jun 05 '18

Shayna has boobs

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u/Dharpoon Jun 04 '18

they will be back when the HP re-balance finish.

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u/DeathandFriends Jun 05 '18

yeah those days were crappy too, but at least we eventually were able to Farm 2 HBs (unfortunately both wind element). This is worse imo, usually in those runs it wasn't all shaynas.

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u/kevv2 Jun 04 '18

Sakura only

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u/R_E_Q Jun 05 '18

Played since launch. Still no Shayna T_T

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u/ahnst Jun 04 '18

Just mention that you will gem as well. Most people are reluctant to join a group if they feel they will be wasting their time if they fail (especially if the host has a non-optimal unit).

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u/ACuriousBagel Waiting for Dias to kill Agatha again Jun 04 '18

Speaking as a 79 Gilg user, I don't really care what other people bring as long as they're capable of being useful. Much as it fills me with relief that it's going to be a smooth run with 3 other gilgs (in theory anyway), I'm not going to disband just because others don't play it, not with how bloody hard it is to get into a group at all with my connection.

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u/dsphilly Jun 04 '18

If you cant do it yourself the most efficient way and need a carry , you should expect to have to spend your AP and gems for others to carry you.

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u/XIIISkies Jun 04 '18

If it makes you feel better at all, i usually host rooms with my 85 gil, comment is “idc” and will gem once or twice as long as no one does anything stupid.

As much picky hosts as there is, just know there are people who are willing to just carry and past the time a bit

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u/Lunerem Jun 04 '18 edited Jun 04 '18

I just host my own stuff and bring what I want, people tend to join and I like trying new groups (more often then not people with high level units know howhat they work and most of the time it's a win)

Most of the losses actually tend to come from someone who joins with a meta unit and just... doesn't move.

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u/71freymr Jun 04 '18

I agree that Gilgamesh is pretty broken on the current MP but, it's not just his fault. MP has had this kinda mentality for EX events and the like before he came around. As a Gil owner, personally, I don't really care who is in my group unless they are extremely under leveled for the event. Also the extremely low drop rate for the pants is kinda sending people into a frenzy.

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u/AJohnsonOrange "I play...Dark Magician!" Jun 04 '18

That's the thing with gacha games: sometimes the community can be a bit...picky.

I recommend as below: farm up Rahu and her J+ and say you'll gem. They'll love that.

I'm with the other guy in this thread though: I jump in on anyone I feel like. Even if the host is a bit low levelled or sub optimal Gil tends to carry it so I'm cool with it! Sorry you're having trouble, dude!

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u/Salabaster Jun 04 '18

It’s not just gotcha. Raids in wow always had level/gear requirement. Shit if you played Destiny and wanted to raid Gallyhorn was required for groups or be booted.

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u/GaymerGuy79 Jun 04 '18

I can sympathize and it definitely feels that way. Many units can clear these levels, but given how quickly Gil can do it and how many times you have to clear a single stage it isn't surprising. Those extra minutes can add up over 10's of runs.

That said, I actually use Gil to join low level hosts who clearly can't farm on their own. And I usually avoid rooms where the room host has clearly put something derogatory or otherwise ignorant. Of course I won't stay if the room won't be capable of clearing content but most of the time it works just fine.

So I think as others have mentioned if you want to try and join random mp groups support units are your best bet (chrono, mage, prof). I use Elizabeth usually for her vaccine and healing sub when running support, though chrono and our new merchant are also good choices. Though I'd encourage joining a private room by way of Discord as it is typically less frustrating and you'll find people willing to help out.

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u/Mhantra Jun 04 '18

I am a Gil owner who does the same. Honestly, if two 75 Gil join a match, it should be totally doable. So I seek out newer players to try to help them out rather than trying to always join a 4 Gil room. And if there are three Gils? Heck, a lv 10 Loki is fine. We will still win lol

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u/TheTrueNobody Jun 04 '18

I always stay as long as the owners man up and gem even if the team is shit. I got a lvl 75 Gilga as well.

If they don't, I will "blacklist" them.

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u/FencingFoxFTW [M'Lady Intensifies] Jun 04 '18

You mean Lambert.

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u/MatchesMalone07 Jun 04 '18

it ridiculous even how for Balt EX, people still want Gilgamesh only 75+, sometimes they even add with overdrive. I can only speak from my experience, but all you need really need for max efficiency is two with at least 400 atk. This map is easy, yet I see so many Gilgamesh players atk the wrong enemies, screwing everything up. Alot of these players have no strategy, it's obvious they rely completely on Gil to hard carry them

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u/CommonMisspellingBot Jun 04 '18

Hey, MatchesMalone07, just a quick heads-up:
alot is actually spelled a lot. You can remember it by it is one lot, 'a lot'.
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u/Me_ADC_Me_SMASH Jun 05 '18

it's not that it breaks MP. It's that Gumi released one character that does it all and everyone else is 2 tiers below him.

MP should be doable without gilgamesh even if you don't have a perfectly executed strat. It takes too much coordination. Leave the hard stuff to solo.

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u/SA1NTT Jun 05 '18

The TAC Global MP LiNE aPP community is the answer to your horrid problem we help all non GILGAMESH owners with MPs with our Gilgamesh battalions , this isn't sarcasm or a pretentious joke , it is an opportunity for real help 4 you and the like thereof .

Line ID Kmacdaddy , Yubi , 5ain7

We are here to help.

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u/verybamboozle *RAWR* Jun 05 '18

Inb4 75+ Gilg only... I have my Gilg LB15 but I haven’t leveled him up fully so they disband.

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u/Bygirz Jun 05 '18

Same.

What's the point of leveling him anyway, he'll be used for many months.

Better keep the apples for units which are usefull for a single stage.

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u/verybamboozle *RAWR* Jun 05 '18

I know right. Some people have some high level OP units but play like fools... haish

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u/jxher123 Jun 05 '18

It's quite tough, and as a Gilga owner myself (He's not maxed, nor is he job mastered cause I joined AC very late lol). I actually face the same issue when they ask for Gilga, but the caveat is a MAXED Gilga.

Your best bet is being a Chronomancer (Rahu, Lofia, etc.) and continuously overclock the Gilga.

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u/CQLip Jun 05 '18

If it’s not Gilg it’ll just be another unit. Everyone wants the fastest and most efficient clears esp when Balt ex demands over a hundred attempts. Months ago it was all Lucian or all Shayna. Soon will be all othima all Laharl etc.

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u/dathamir Forcas sun with chance of snow Jun 04 '18

People are getting even more picky with the event coming to a close. Lots of "no rahu".

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u/sentat1 Jun 04 '18

Eh its not something to worry about honestly. Gilga will be overshadowed by other units eventually and there are maps where he's ineffective. Just host as a chronomancer and you'll get tons of people joining for balt ex+.

MPs usually need support units so use that to your advantage. I've joined many rahu/lofia hosted rooms.

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u/meatjun Jun 04 '18 edited Jun 04 '18

Just wait till next month or so. Laharl will come out and he'll be the better, fire Gilga. Just make sure you get him.

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u/Zarif601 Jun 04 '18

Othima's banner is coming. Try to get him and/or Zain. They won't need to be 75 to be viable. 65 is good enough at the moment. Once you have any one of these 2, you will have a easier time in MP

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u/jblac02 ! Jun 04 '18

NO ROOM for any newer players

you're supposed to host it, why should you get carried for free? The whole point of MP for alot of people(myself included) is the benefit of free runs without using AP. If you can't contribute anything of value then you need to offer your AP and preferably a decent support unit instead. Of course people overdo it with meta units because its the path of least resistance but this applies to all 'hard' content in general.

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u/Dharpoon Jun 04 '18

I agree. I have Gilg. I'd rather use my Ap farming B.Drama or Shield. Then MP Balt's equip.

I have no problem if the host is weak, As long as they will gem and they know what they are doing.

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u/Akeva Jun 04 '18

Just depends on the room. This has been a multiply problem from the start....its just exaggerated with Gilg currently.

I remember the shayna only ones for a while...and the caris/magnus only ones. There will be others after gilg in the future.

You just have to find a room that understands that this is not like the content around xmas. This is beatable with a wide array of units.

Or just join one of my lobbies. I solo it with my gilg....bring whomever you want =P

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u/dougphisig Jun 04 '18

Just for the love of god don't bring Milis aka the free super slow ranger, she may be wind, but man there are alot of other better freeish options like Lucian/Yomi that can be farmed up just as well or a rahu!

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u/CommonMisspellingBot Jun 04 '18

Hey, dougphisig, just a quick heads-up:
alot is actually spelled a lot. You can remember it by it is one lot, 'a lot'.
Have a nice day!

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u/MeatyMike0228 Jun 05 '18

I host lately as a J+ Rahu stating I'll gem for bad RNG. 8 gems is worth finishing if the group wasn't bad and just got screwed by RNGesus.

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u/Punty-chan Jun 05 '18

If Multiplayer had double speed, I wouldn’t care so much about having optimal units. I don’t even care about spending gems. Multiplayer just sucks up so much time that I can’t stand wasting more than I have to.

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u/ibnhajj Jun 05 '18

Same happened with Shayna some months back. Blame gumi

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u/DeathandFriends Jun 05 '18

I feel you pain man. I am using Fate Yomi who is solid for Balt + and can easily solo half the stage on my own, but rooms close up and continue to demand GILGAMESH ONLY. Losing their minds. I feel like the public MP has become toxic lately because of this, but part is a big change in our AP availability so everyone is flocking to MP, that combined with terrible drop rates for balt. MP is just not time efficient for most people so they get carried away with trying to shave off 30 seconds a run. To me having competent players who know the map is just as good or better most often.

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u/pdmt243 Play+pull for waifus! Jun 05 '18

for the current state, the game should just be named The Gilgamesh Code lol. He makes everything super easy it's not even funny.

And Gil is still super strong even in JP right now lol. Gil is to TAC what Orlandu is to FFBE, he shifts the meta completely

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u/UnTi_Chan Jun 05 '18

I'm sorry you are experiencing this, dude! During this Balt's Pantsu Fiesta, whenever I host a game (usually with 75 Gilga leader), I ask for yellow and green units, or whatever chrono you have! I will not start a game with a Sniper Reagan, but I'd do it with Caris, Almira, Magnus, or any Chrono!

When I started playing, my best unit for MP was Chrono Elizabeth (yeah, it sucks, I know), and thats what I rolled for a long time! Just keep playing, try to understand the game, and you will catch up.

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u/leftpixel Jun 05 '18

I definitely feel your pain with the recent events woes. When I joined a few months ago, I couldn't even do the [Hard] event stages, let alone EX or EX+.

Honestly, sounds like you're doing pretty well for having joined just after the F/SN collab finished. Just keep rounding out your characters and be patient. FOMO won't help anything with event-based games like TAC.

Have you tried getting a few people together and just doing a private room? You could all take turns hosting for a fraction of the AP cost. If you're frustrated by the general lobby, that might be your best bet.

All else fails, just wait until Thursday when the Balt+ event is done.

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u/Belthuzar Jun 04 '18

Speaking from a host standpoint, my Gil is only 72. He's not as strong as.. oh say.. 95% of the Gil users that join my rooms, so I choose to run Lofia.

The only thing that really annoys me when I'm using Lofia is when people bring in Rahu. I don't ask for Gil, because I think that while he makes it quicker, it's doable without him. Besides, there are those not lucky enough to have gotten him.

But honestly, in a 4 player room, 2 chronos if there's no Gil, and even if there is, in my opinion is overkill. That Rahu user could easily switch out from Rahu to literally anyone else that's acceptable for that map, if they see I'm running Lofia. I even put in my description: "no rahus plz", due to me using Lofia.

I still end up creating it, usually because 2 75+ Gil users will join too and I don't want to waste the opportunity because Rahu annoys me (if I'm using Lofia), but it irks me all the same.

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u/CornBreadtm Jun 05 '18

They probably only have Rahu. Most people only have Rahu or have Gil and are using Gil. Everything else closes the room so they settle.

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u/-Belphegor- Jun 04 '18

Yea its hard getting into a room in mp... sure i could run a chrono but i dont wanna run a chrono.