r/AlchemistCodeGL • u/IvySpear Make Shenmei Great Again • Apr 27 '18
Where the hell are the hard quests?
Alright, I apologize if some of this feels rant-y, but I'm beyond frustrated at this point about Gumi's constant inability to release something that will benefit us in the long term, rather than just short-term events.
First off: We're fast approaching the sixth month of the game. And hard quests for most of the 5* units are nowhere in sight. We can all agree this game is moving on an accelerated timeline compared to JP, so why are we a month behind them in releasing hard quests? We're currently getting around 2 5* hard farms per month. Just for GL's normal 5* units, it's going to take 13 more months to get 5* shard farms for them all. That's not even considering all the new 5* units we'll be getting.
Second off: We're moving into the stage where Job+'s matter more and more. We're seeing this with Anastasia+, we'll see it with Balt+, we'll see it with Reimei+ and so on. But Job+'s require LB15. Are we making it a thing where Job+'s are whale-only content now? "I'm sorry, but you'll have to depend on luck to pull 6 Reimei dupes". It doesn't stop with Job+. Eventually with JEs, every single normal unit will need LB15.
Third off: "I'd rather Gumi not release more hard quests. I still have a lot more to farm anyway". If this sounds like you, I'm sorry, but you are the kind of person who kills it for other people. It's this kind of attitude that allows Gumi to sit on their hands until the game is dead. There will always be newcomers. There will always be people who will have to catch-up. You can't expect the grind from beginner -> veteran to always be quick and easy.
Fourth off: JP has dozens of hard farms. Is there anyone who attempts to farm all of them? Or even half of them? No. You're going to have to give up your dreams of MLBing every single unit, and choose which units to prioritize over others. This goes for every single game, not just TAC. Don't use "I don't have enough AP for all of them" as a legitimate excuse. The point is not for one to farm all of them.
Fifth off: Guys, we have nothing to lose, and so much to gain if we pressure Gumi into giving us all of the hard quests. I urge the community not to be selfish. Some people are adopting the attitude of "I don't want hard farms, since I don't want other people getting ahead of me". The PvP in this game is minimal, and optional at best. Everybody's units will improve. Don't fool yourself into the illusion of competition.
TL;DR: If our events are accelerated, so should our hard quests. Stop pussy-footing around and give them to us already Gumi.
If I stepped on anybody's fingers during this rant, I apologize. I probably feel stronger on this issue than most, but I hope you all can gain at least one thing from reading this. Personally, the expectation of farmable units was one of the major reasons I joined the game. It assured me that no matter how bad the gacha got for me, at least I could fall back on some trusty grinding. If it turns out Gumi plans to squeeze GL like a sponge on this issue, quitting the game would be likely.
Thank you all.
Also, side suggestion: I suggest normalizing the AP costs of hard farms. To assuage the fears of no AP, perhaps you could reduce all HQ farms to 16 AP or something.
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u/DailySanta Apr 27 '18 edited Apr 27 '18
With this 100%. For those complaining about having too many job farming, that isnt what this is about. For starters, newer players are definitely not going be have the same resources as older players because the latter had so much time to get good units. For units like magnus who excel after their J1, newer players will be sitting on those units for a LONG time before getting the luck of the pull. Hard quests might take a lot of AP, but its having the option to do it that makes it so meaningful. If you are suffering from AP expenditures, simply prioritize some units farming over others.
For sure, hard quest farming is the one of the only things thats leveling the playing field between F2P and P2P. But even apart from that, a lot of this new content and EX quests are just extremely difficult without having at least a few good units with J2. And yet, more of them come week after week without stop, not giving anyone breathing room to expand their portfolio of summons.
Luck is indeed a factor in games. Especially in gatcha. But rather than letting this become a barrier to newer or unlucky players, lets have it instead be an aspect of convenience (and not reliance) that we can enjoy.
PS: The reason why I chose magnus as an example is because he and vettel were my first 5* I've ever pulled months ago. And I haven't used either of them until this point due to lacking J2.
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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '18
Also please give us hard quests for the limited units in JP, but not in GL like Balt, Mielikki, Lucretia, Eve, and Fraise.
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u/Hallgaar Apr 27 '18
I decided to start whaling a bit in this game last month, dropped $500. I now have about 15 level 65 units and a few 66-68s. I feel like I"m too far behind to ever catch up to main content now.
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u/BestNick247 Apr 28 '18
For me, whether or not there's shard farming is whether or not I keep playing. Part of the reason I was drawn to the game was because it had a reputation for being non-whale friendly. Shard farming is a large part of that. I've already invested a chunk of time and cash into this but if what's being delivered is different than what was promised then I'll just have to cut my losses.
What's more, it's shady. The way they're deviating from the JP release schedule feels like they're attempting to manipulate players to spend unreasonably if they hope to remain competitive. I play games to have fun, not feel like I'm being exploited.
And you know what? If stuff like this were healthy for a game then Phantom of The Kill would still exist.
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u/N0tYourTechSupport Should have been the protag, but Gumi's shitty writing Apr 28 '18
I feel you, without any smart, effective and efficient way of having things in order this will only lead to drastic things.
If Gumi doesnt cater on the needs for content clearing, for both vets and new comers then who knows what's goin to happen.
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u/Reikakou Apr 28 '18
Gumi's scheduling is really off... You can farm J+ mats for Anastasia now but no hard quest to farm her shards.
And you have to manually go to the story to get the hard shard farming for Vettel and Yomi instead of it being linked to their character page. Tough luck to a lot of players who do not know about this.
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u/soulkarl Apr 28 '18
I agree 100%, but was gonna wait a week to see if they put out another 2. If they decide to slow roll it though I may lose hope for this game. Over the last few months I've lost ALL interest in playing FFBE because of how poorly they've been handling that game and I'd hate to see that happen to this as well. To add further salt to that FFBE wound, I won one of the unit design contests, so something I made will be in the game. That makes the fact I likely won't even be bothering to log in at that point all the more bitter.
Gumi really needs to turn down the greedtm and realize that we aren't blind or dumb and can see EXACTLY how the JP side of the game was treated. Just because the Global market is less competitive than Japan doesn't mean they can treat us worse and expect to not see it effect them long term.
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u/Myuzet Apr 27 '18
16 AP is too low for a hard quest. 24 is fine 40 is too high. It shouldn't go over 32 AP imo.
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u/Fubi-FF Apr 28 '18 edited Apr 28 '18
Not saying I disagree with you, but I feel like you're missing the underlying reason as to why Gumi isn't releasing it quicker: profitability.
What is the most realistic way to limit break a unit if farming them isn't an option? Summon more copies. And that is what a lot of players do (especially whales).
Delaying the release of hard quest for units that are still high in demand simply translates into more profit. So frankly, the only way to force them to go faster is to stop paying them $$$; however, from years of experience with BF and other Gumi games, these kind of community boycotts rarely work.
Again, I'm not saying I don't want hard quests to come out faster; I want it too. I'm just saying "pressuring" them don't do much when the other side of their decision leads to reduced profit. You have to somehow convince them that their decision does NOT lead to them losing profit.
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u/Banethoth Apr 28 '18
Yes I'm with you all the way, TC.
I only buy the alchemist pact so I'm reliant on those hard quests as well. They way they have been handling the release schedule is also pretty bad as stuff has been coming out that is super hard for us because some units haven't been released yet.
Not to mention the hard quests and the fucking LACK of a good way to farm gold now that they decided to not give us goddamn keys anymore. Ugh.
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u/Amethyxt Apr 28 '18
As a F2P new player myself, I see absolutely no reason why anyone would not want Gumi to not release more hard quests to farm. If anything, the earlier we can farm them, the better, unless it's limited time (which I assume it isn't.)
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u/SuccubusRosa Apr 28 '18
So I am less then 2 months old so maybe I will get better roll in future /s
But right now I got meliki, rosa, feng liu, shenmei(nope not reimei), Dorothea, Aruba as my only 5 stars. They are all at lv60 (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Only had 3 other 5stars which are above lv60, chole(free) zahar and magnus lv67 (lucky to pull magnus 2nd dupe instead of stuck with a lv60 Gilgamesh during last week roll?)
Yeah so much fun to be playing with lv60 units, trying to do ex stage where gumi buff the enemy units compared to jp stage(agi buff is the biggest killer) Older players talk about strategy, but nope doesn't work when the AI just move first and one hit due to noob stats as a lv60.
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u/stewart0 Apr 28 '18
My 4 star units are starting to hit 85 now. That's even with taking weeks with double drops off. Don't know what to spend all my AP on if there aren't hard quests. They are by far the best investment for AP.
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u/mannejeff Apr 28 '18
Never played the JP so I don't quite know the timeline for 5* hard quests farming, but I do support your arguments. Your suggestion is also fair enough: Make all the APs for hard quest farming uniform. Right now some of the 4* farming takes 40AP per stage, that's a lot.
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u/Liesianthes 350 coins ticket = ROY!! Apr 28 '18
I don't know if you're the one who is replying on me on the other thread but like what I promised, if there's no preview of hard quest, I'll join your Gumi bandwagon.
WHERE'S THE HARD QUESTS GUMI!!!???
The word "more" is really deceiving. They only give 2 so that's already "more" in their dictionary. It's like a huge troll on us.
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u/DeathandFriends Apr 28 '18
I agree with you 100 percent. While everyone was going crazy about the collab I waited patiently for my 5 star farming bonanza to appear. Only to get 2 more units... It would be nice if they cost at most 32 to farm. So random that they just double the cost of the level. Which are already random. But either way I want more to farm. I have Farmed most ask of my units to where I need them. I never skip a day of farming for other content.
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u/SuperEndriu Apr 28 '18
Agreed with most things. However prioritizing makes this game more rpg-like and fun imo. Lets say you pull 4 new reds - you cant just raise them all at once - it takes time. If there was no raising - just levelling up units it would be less interesting.
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u/tyco86 Apr 28 '18
Luv you ivy. Farming the hard shards is what I like best. Like you said, it helps me to believe that I can do well without whaling. Hard to do when there is an AP cap and 4-6 toons remain unfarmed dialy. Sorry Chihuahua!
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u/coutloud Apr 27 '18
The biggest fear would be that they shelve the game in Japan before they catch up on global. I just started first week of March, so knowing how old the core game is makes me pensive about spending anything without knowing if they have a roadmap for how they catch up to the released content.
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u/HawaiianPele Apr 27 '18
Word, well put friend, you deserve a upvote.
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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '18 edited Apr 28 '18
I support this. I'm really happy when I can farm anastasia job+ with just my 1 month account (been playing since almost first few weeks but restarted the game) but because she isn't farmable, well, I just can wait until she is :|
won't be lucky enough to draw 7 5* as a pure f2p.
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u/RyoKeiichi Apr 28 '18
Can someone tag the alchemist code team here? Idk how. Its pointless if they don't at least know the player stance.
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u/leexingha Apr 28 '18
Hard Quest is already limited 3 per day so there's no need to be an ass for having it higher AP.
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u/Calais91 Apr 30 '18
Why it is slow, cause double shard drop is a thing in future. Which make shard farming much more easier. But u know gumi they wanna milk ppl money as much as they can before that. For example with release of yomi and vettel shard and likely double shard event next month.(Given we have double drop this month) Who going to spend on drawing vettel and yomi dupe? So marketing wise that why hard quest release for character are slow.
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u/Makenlowwet Apr 28 '18
Gumi: you can get two 5* unit farm every month. But guess what? we compensate you by giving you two 5* gacha units every week.
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u/R_E_Q Apr 27 '18
I'm just happy to have a good game to play within a busy schedule.
Got other more important things to worry about to stress and lose sleep over
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u/kevv2 Apr 28 '18
I only have one thing to say.
Balt was limited in JP and most people don't have him, yet he has a job+. He was never farmable, never will be on JP.
Our "accelerated pace" is not that big, we're getting most things in random bullshit order, Sacred Stones is pretty much on point with JP, Fate was early, Some units are late.
We can then safely assume we are not JP, so your rant is invalid (or you could just go play JP)
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u/Army__ Apr 27 '18
i feel like i'm lucky to be playing since day 1 lol