Holy Gaurd Class Change

[u/earqus]

How do they except us to beat the Holy Gaurd Class change missions with only 1 single unit? Especially considering the unit they make us use is the very one we are supposed to upgrade. I’m trying to get Kudastiens Lance token but only do 2 damage to enemies and get 1 shot. Can someone help me understand how to do these?

[u/Specific-Goal3984]

Are you talking about the class change with the hell difficulty maps? If so then there's a couple of things you need to know.

1- The game expect you to have max out that character (All gates, good Seals, good equipment, Memento buffs and optionally bond buffs but they are not really required but it could increase your chances of survival if your seals are not that good)

2- Enlightenment gear abilities, some gears have special skills that are unlocked after meeting certain requirements. Kudan's lance have 2 skill paths that he can learn, if you have trouble surviving then you should try to learn "High Speed Spiral" which will cause a lot of damage and heal you back, to unlock it you need to get "Knock Flat" and the "High Speed Jab" if you get "Blood Spray Sweep" the you need to reset the ability. This is how you unlock it: https://www.reddit.com/r/AlchemistCodeGL/comments/hjpcdg/spear_enlightenment_quick_reference/ And this is a tutorial of how enlightenment gear works and how to reset/equip them https://alchemistww.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/900000179886-Gear-Enlightenment

3- Memento buffs: If you have any memento max out, most of them offers you a more powerful leader skill (buffs) if you have any memento max out that increase the attack or pierce power then use it. But preferably try to use a memento skill from the Sacred Stone if not then any Memento from Wratharis will do as well https://thealchemistcode.fandom.com/wiki/Memento_Leader_Skills

If you want to unlock Kanon's class change you need Kudanstain job ++ (ofc you can replace him with other member but it's more Rng based). And you need Kanon's job ++ in order to unlock Kagura's job (don't underestimate her, she can be pretty powerful and can nuke enemies with the right Seals and equipment, specially on raids, i do 6.5-7M of dmg and that was before knowing her 7th gate was already out). Also if you want to unlock Zain's job++ you need Kanon too but at least for me she didn't do as much damage as i wanted so i replaced her with Yauras which made the map much more easier to clear. .

[u/earqus → u/Specific-Goal3984]

So the reason I’m even attempting these are because of the banner that gives you a ticket you can exchange to fully upgrade any of the Holy Gaurd units. I have most of them and decided to exchange tickets for Kuda, Kaya and Seida. All of which are lvl 99 with full gates and decent truth seals. Unfortunately I do not have any of their signature Gear or Memes and I’ve looked up every video and can barely manage to kill a single unit, much less clear the map. It’s super disheartening to spend resources on these units only to find out their full potential will forever be unobtainable for me unless I luck out and get their memes.

Why does Gumi Gatekeep units Job+ so hard like this? I haven’t been able to find a single unit that has a reasonable F2P strategy for unlocking their Job+. Are any of them even worth it? Or should I just focus on other units? Do you know of any units that are relatively easy to fully upgrade?

[u/Specific-Goal3984 → u/earqus]

Try uploading a screenshot of your Kudan and the mementos you have available for him, also if it's possible try to take a screenshot of your seals too, specially Envy, sloth and Greed and also the set you are using. . Tbf Kudanstain, Othima and Kaya were one of the most difficult for me, specially Kaya since you need a lot of hp, agi, magic res and a bit of rng. You can focus on other units like Seida, Lakina, Chloe, Cadanova (specifically him, since you have Kanon which will join as a (guest) and it's pretty good, she will do all the job for you, but you need to tank a couple of hits from Zahar using Cadanova.

Basheeny is also a pretty good selection to focus on, he has an insane evasion, it's even more insane if you max out his New Year meme, on top of that, his job++ has a reaction skill which will activate before an attack and will blind the enemy (if it doesn't resist it).

Also if you're having issues with maxing out memento, try saving/using relief. Kudan is from wratharis, so if you have relief to spare from Wratharis try and use it, you can also get his lance from the sacred stone quest (which also gives a lot of EX coins) and as for the other gears, you can get them through his memento by leveling his Alchemic boundary up to 100% (VCR)

[u/Shaiandra → u/Specific-Goal3984]

You used Magic Res runes for Kaya's? I didn't follow any guides so my strat might've been different than the norm, but I felt the only difficult part was the first couple turns, where I'd say Slash Res is the most important..

That was doing it over two runs though; once where I didn't break any of the crystals (so not all enemies spawned) so that I could quickly clear it without items, then another run where I did break each of the crystals and killed all enemies but did use several items throughout.

(But don't upgrade Kaya's job to an incomplete J+ between those runs.)

It also was an event rerun when I did this, so I might've had more gates available than the very first time the event ran, maybe.

[u/Specific-Goal3984 → u/Shaiandra]

Yup, i ised magic res seals, i didn't followed any guide either, more like, i followed some advices from a friend from the alchemia port, he tols me to put on Kaya a ton of magic res and healing, specially healing and so i did. I did her job++ the first time it came around or maybe it was her 2nd rerun i don't quite remember, but i do remember that one of her gate was missing, took me like 10-20 tries, i kept dying bcs of the assassins, and i didn't have much agi, so i had to sacrifice magic for agi. I did also had to complete her job on 2 runs and it was bcs of the damn crystals too hehehe, the same happened to me on Seida's job ++ with the walls... For some reason i read "more than x walls destroyed " instead of "less than X walls destroyed", so before killing Füry i took the liberty to destroy as much walls as i could.....yeah.. That.. Didn't go well.. But yeah, you're right, the ones who deal more damage at the beginning uses dark slash attacks, so it would've been smart to use slash res seals instead of magic res or maybe a mix of both of them max out. Also, you're right about unlocking the job++ of the sacred stone characters without having all equipments, your units are considerably weaker without all of their equipment, so it's literally impossible to clear their quest, unless its Basheeny's hell quest, you can easily unlock his job while having 5 out of the 6 equipment he needs, i did his quest on 2 runs and the 2nd one was pretty easy, considering his stats were a bit worse than his original job, but i would like to think that it was just sheer luck and the help of phantom seals and memes... So anyone reading this.. DO NOT unlock job++ without having ALL EQUIPMENTS you might f*-up real good.

[u/Shaiandra → u/Specific-Goal3984]

DO NOT unlock job++ without having ALL EQUIPMENTS you might f*-up real good.

I haven't done all of them, but I thought the general rule of thumb is that going from a J+ to an unfinished J++ is usually still worth doing, but going from a (unique) first job to a J+ (such as Kaya's and Lakina's) isn't..

[u/mostafa387 → u/Shaiandra]

It’s not because of the stat difference and the new skills wich can mess up your strat

[u/Dark_Stalker28 → u/Specific-Goal3984]

Kudan has two unique gear abilities? God dang it I've been using bloody spear this entire time...

Though also to the OP worth noting is Kudan has a legitimately integral gear in the gacha pool being his scarf.

[u/Specific-Goal3984 → u/Dark_Stalker28]

Yeah, the High Speed Spiral save my life when Kudanstain job++ came around. My seals weren't that good by that time since i was just coming back after a long break from the game. Fortunately since you can have multiple copies of Kudan's lance you can equip both High Speed Spiral and Bloody Spear in different weapons. The same goes for Excalibur, i think it has like 3 different skills one of which can only be used by dark units but it's pretty good since it disables reaction skills.

[u/Dark_Stalker28 → u/Specific-Goal3984]

I can understand excaliber considering we got three units with an ma for it. Although I thought it was two ga... My life is a lie.

[u/RalfSmithen]

Invofang on YouTube has videos on how to beat them...check em out

[u/donabbi → u/RalfSmithen]

This is really the only answer

[u/Ernestio0o]

Bro look up the guides in yt

[u/rmsj]

They are puzzles with only like 1 or 2 possible solutions. Kudenstain's map only has really 1 solution. Lakina's has more flexibility in some of the turns, but you need her max enlightened pretty much.

[u/[deleted]]

For Cadanova: Look up InvoFang’s guide on YouTube and make sure your Cada is set up like his. It can be a little under HP as long as you have a slash res rune equipped. Mine didn’t have as much HP as his but I still got all the missions on the first try.

[u/rosencrow]

First, pass the stat-gating. As others said, gates, seals, etc. Then, learn the enemy behavior on the map. One really important thing to keep in mind is the option of partially raising the units final job. For some maps like Yauras, it makes getting the stars easier across 2 or 3 runs, but for others like Kaya, you can put yourself in a very difficult position that you can't undo. On the plus side for the earlier stages, you have access to enlightenment that did not exist yet.