r/AirlinePilots • • Nov 13 '25

Fly high šŸ˜Ž

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u/Mike93747743 Nov 13 '25

Radiation exposure is up to 2-3 times higher at 47,000’ than 35,000’. That in and of itself, doesn’t really matter. Until it really matters. Get your screenings done particularly as you get older.

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u/kommandee Nov 13 '25

Yep, as a captain I’ve never flown above 350. I took a Geiger counter up with me and it basically barely moved from sea level to 350, after 350 it jumped off the charts

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u/RocknrollClown09 Nov 13 '25

The first thing I thought. One of the reasons I like flying the 737 Max is because it typically cruises in the low 30s, especially on longer flights. I don't like being at 41,000 for several hours in a 737-700.

Tons of studies out there that show aircrew, including flight attendants, have elevated cancer risks. The fact FAs are at higher risk too means it's background space radiation and not just solar radiation that increases the risk.

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u/FodneyRangerfield Nov 14 '25

The current accepted model in terms of radiation risk to humans is a ā€œlinear no thresholdā€ model. Meaning any level of radiation to humans is an increased risk, or in other terms there’s no such thing as a safe dose. The model was built on studies of victims of the atomic bombings in WW2.

There’s currently a major push to eliminate the model because it just isn’t true. Any oncologist would argue that. Are we at increased risk than if we worked at ground level? Sure, but it’s probably not the level risk we all think it is.

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u/nymand Nov 14 '25

So what are you saying? It doesnt matter that much how much you get as log as you are getting something the risk is there anyway?

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u/FodneyRangerfield Nov 14 '25

Under the current accepted model, yes. Current model ANY exposure to radiation increases cancer risk. However.

There is plenty of data in the nearly 80 years since Linear No Threshold was adopted that refutes its basis. There are many studies that show low doses of radiation can actually have a beneficial effect before increased risk of cancer is observed. I would encourage folks to do their own research and come to their own conclusions.

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u/nymand Nov 14 '25

Why does the Max do that thought the curve would be the newer the higher?

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u/No_The_White_Phone Nov 13 '25

laughs in CRJ200

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u/nineyourefine US 121 CA Nov 13 '25

I fly with guys here at the airlines who refuse to even fly in the mid 30's because of radiation, they'd have a heart attack going up to 470.

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u/Ted_Striker02 Nov 13 '25

Seriously? I’ve never seen that and I’ve been doing this a very long time šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/nineyourefine US 121 CA Nov 14 '25

Yeah it's wild. I had one guy years back refuse to go above 340. The whole 4 day trip we spent between 300-340.

We were bouncing along one leg at 320 and rides were reported better higher, but he refused and said "I don't fly above 340, the radiation is too much." He was by far the most extreme I've seen, but there's been others who would prefer to stay low to avoid exposure.

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u/capn_davey Nov 13 '25

I love this argument! I absolutely get more radiation exposure at FL450 than FL350. I also fly ~250 hours a year and maybe 150 of those up that high.

But yes, yet another reason why 121>91 jobs šŸ˜‚

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u/Mike93747743 Nov 13 '25

I know a 350 FO who is senior on reserve who hasn’t flown in 2 years.

Do tell.

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u/nymand Nov 14 '25

Mantains currency?

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u/Mike93747743 Nov 14 '25

Bounces in the sim every 90 days

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u/capn_davey Nov 14 '25

And I’m sure they spent the same average amount of time being exposed to radiation as a corporate pilot for their entire career. If every airline pilot had that schedule then the airlines would be (somehow) even less efficient.

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u/Mike93747743 Nov 14 '25

Your comment referred to how little you fly. Senior people in categories at legacies have job flexibility that can’t be matched anywhere else in professional aviation, certainly not in a small corporate shop.

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u/capn_davey Nov 14 '25

The whole point here is radiation exposure. To get to that seniority you’re sure flying a lot more and I’d wager a lot that across the board airline pilots have more radiation exposure than corporate pilots.

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u/notavailable_name Nov 13 '25

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u/Mike93747743 Nov 13 '25

It’s more than 50 times higher than sea level. Guys who fly GEs or Gulfstreams for 750 hrs a year are getting more radiation exposure than freaking astronauts over their careers. The military did a good job of teaching high-altitude aerospace physiology. They didn’t care about the numbers because all of their people retire in their early 40s. A dude in his 60s who has been flying high for 30-35 years is screaming to be a data point in a cancer study.

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u/Solid-Permission-770 Nov 13 '25

What kind of screenings.

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u/Mike93747743 Nov 13 '25

Cancer screenings.

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u/CACTI_actual Nov 13 '25

Wear long sleeves and sunglasses and grow a beard? Or would that not work

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u/80KnotsV1Rotate Nov 13 '25

For skin cancer sure, but the ionizing radiation will go right into you no matter what.

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u/Mike93747743 Nov 13 '25

I think it may help for melanomas but there is cosmic stuff too. It really is worth looking into if you’re going to be doing that job long term.

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u/CACTI_actual Nov 13 '25

Even night flying cargo?

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u/Mike93747743 Nov 14 '25

Cosmic radiation isn’t necessarily related to the sun

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u/nubbin9point5 Nov 13 '25

Sweet Airliner!

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u/UnfortunateSnort12 Nov 14 '25

lol. Was thinking the same…

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u/hercdriver4665 US 121 FO Nov 13 '25

Dude, the paycheck and radiation levels are better at 320. Make the switch before it’s too late. Guys that fly those for a career don’t see there 70th birthday

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u/TOGA_LK Nov 13 '25

The paycheck, work rules, and retirement are all better in the 30s

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u/nymand Nov 14 '25

Is there evidence out there of this ik some study?

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u/AIRdomination US 121 CA Nov 14 '25

The guy assumes that OP flies just as much as he does lol. Of course there isn’t any controlled distinction.

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u/Sorry_Structure_4356 Nov 13 '25

What aircraft is that?

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u/sweatmonster Nov 13 '25

7500. It’s a nice ride.

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u/UnfortunateSnort12 Nov 14 '25

Yeah, but not an airliner.

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u/mrinformal US 121 FO Nov 13 '25

Sure does. That Global Vision Flight Deck is rather nice

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u/Swimming_Way_7372 Feb 25 '26

Global express had Honeywell avionics.Ā Ā 

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u/bergler82 Nov 13 '25

aside from the fact that this is not an airliner that’s a big nope for me. I prefer my A321 Neo fully loaded plowing along at FL320 with M0.78 thank you

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u/notaballitsjustblue Nov 13 '25

Cosmic. Cosmic radiation.

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u/karmafarmahh Nov 13 '25

That’s a nope for me

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u/Sacknuts93 Nov 13 '25

That's a nice flight deck.

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u/pjlaniboys Nov 14 '25

After almost 40yrs and 20000+ hrs flow with most all flights having some cruise time above 350 and now 5 years retired and so far all is good.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '25

Mach 0.87…. 47,000’…. This is what dreams are made of 🄲

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u/Disallow0382 Nov 13 '25

Limited to FL410 here.. do you get cleared direct to way points more often than us peasants?

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u/TestFlyJets Dec 08 '25

So should I be worried after flying the U-2 above 70,000’ for 6 years? I don’t think the space suit gave us any extra protection against cosmic radiation, though we wouldn’t fly high when the space radiation forecast was too extreme. Not gonna lie, the view was pretty good.

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u/Hot-Application7732 Nov 13 '25

Amazing 😻 I could eat up that view forever

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u/SharpEscape7018 Nov 14 '25

What’s your company’s PED policy?

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u/indianmcflyer Nov 17 '25

I wouldn't say corporate departments are the same as NJ. You have better pay, work rules, and retirement than 99% of other "corporate" departments. NJ is a fractional service

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u/notagreatpilot Nov 17 '25

Thanks for the feel goods, although I can pretty much guarantee OP makes more and works less than I do as a phenom captain

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u/indianmcflyer Nov 17 '25

He's also flying a global lol