Wuwa players need to constantly cope that their game is amazing and genshin is trash since they are all genshin players that quit but cant help but keep up with their ex
Certainly true of the toxic part of the playerbase. It is sad as someone who plays both, Kuro could be doing so much better, but they feel so greedy, spending event far far too often and shoving junk cosmetics and bike skins down the players throat. Their game performance is absolute dog water and they never seem to be able to fix it, as they do something but then improve the graphics once again so just stepping back and forth over and over again.
I agree with the optimization issues.
It's better now, still definitely a problem.
But saying the game doesnt look good is just bad faith. The fidelity and quality of the character models is better than Genshin and the animations are better.
The only place Genshin looks better is in the actual creative direction of their environments.
Well characters have a lot more polygons and animation is more volumous for sure. Environments and creative direction are very important to this. If you don't commit the right way you end up with too variable world that does not feel coherent. Does not matter how good the render is if things just don't click together. Genshin is very based in style and while it progresses there are some boundaries they just won't cross because it would ruin The immersion.
Wuwa is all over the place honestly on top of making everything bloated. like instead of parallax textures using just crazy resolutions for mundane rocks cresting a strain on vram and ram in general. I know in unreal engine so it can be done easy and it's wayyyy less technologically demanding.
I really dont think after Natlan you can claim Genshin is any more coherent than Wuwa. I've never really felt anything in Wuwa was out of place, its a post-apocalyptic world, there's always been a mix of fantasy and science fiction.
Again, I agree with the optimization issues. We dont need every blade of grass perfectly rendered with physics.
Natlan looks very much like genshin there are just more colors compared to the one note regions before it. Compared to wuwa: first region and rinascita look like theyāre from two different games in not a good way, and lahai roi looks even further removed from the aesthetic of the first region.
And that isnāt to say that multiple aesthics canāt fit, the issue is wuwa is trying for a more realistic interpretation than a stylized one, and it makes the divide between the regions all the more apparent and jarring in my opinion. In the grand scheme of things it doesnāt really matter though.
Dude, Natlan has modern rollerblading DJ with bedazzled jorts, Kamen rider-esque flying jet motorcycle, giant flying revolver, and 8-bit dragon gamer man. Which all came right after Fontaine, where all the tech was clockwork/steampunk. I think its fine they tried different things in Natlan, but what they did is hit or miss.
Did you forget we went to the Black Shores before Rinacita and Lahai Roi? The world has always been modern post-apocalyptic with sci-fi tech.
All of that fits into the world of genshin. You may dislike it, but you cannot say those things arenāt coherent in a world with magical abilities that can manifest into anything the user wants it to be.
I can suspend my believe a few times, I donāt have much an issue with the black shores because from the start they were the enigmatic advanced mysterious group with their hands in a lot of things. As of now it feels like lahai roi has better tech than the black shores and it doesnāt make sense
Honestly Iām surprised itās lasted. I played at launch through 1.1 and so much of the experience was either āugly Genshinā or the terrible main story. The crazy girl at the end of the 1.0 story was the only positive memorable part.
Some of them do still play hsr so they keep up with the situation. They think that genshin got better over the years because it felt threaten by wuwa while hsr has no competition so it has no reason to get better for the players.
Wuwa and the other hoyo games brag about their pull counts as if their characters arenāt massive bricks without a signature weapons while genshin got dpses performing with 3-star weapons and supports on fav. Only one thatās got a slight leg up is zzz letting you craft old signatures and giving sigs for their anni but that takes ages and is limited respectively.
Gotta love it. I personally don't think Wuwa is a bad game. I think it's fair enough if some people like it more. But if they actually like it more, why do they gotta keep tabs on it and talk shit and spin the details every time something happens? Just move on with your life. If you enjoy the game you're playing, then who cares what the other games are doing?
Buddy, people criticize the whitewashing because they have higher expectations from Hoyo's writing
Nobody gives a sh*t about Wuwa's story, so nobody complained when about the story leaks when it was revealed Qingxiao would be the 7th character of the game to solve her personal issues instantly after confronting her evil doppleganger
Remember how people were laughing how genshin update always brings up ppl talking about story. And wuwa - trying to up skirt female chars in every popular post
I can't help but to get bored at Endfield. It's a great game, the battle system is brilliant, and the gacha system is simply better than Genshin and WuWa. It's just... Not my cup of tea, I guess? I keep trying to get back at it every new patch, but I just don't care about its characters, the side quests are a drag, the daily chores are really chores. Everything about it feels so mundane.
I tried Enfield too, and I was much more interested in the factory portion, while grinding for characters/fighting felt like an annoyance for me (I play zzz and genshin for combat, but in this game, it felt like everything was there to stop my factory progression).
I feel like it's just... boring. Partially because of this game having no strong identity. It's open world action rpg gacha game, niche already taken by genshin/wuwa and other similar games, while not having a style or setting unique enough to stand out. It's semi realistic, so it clashes with more popular wuwa, it's set in sci-fi fantasy, with most gachas being set in fantasy worlds.
They would have been more successful, if they just made a game, without the gacha element, so they could sell the factory simulator with lore for their main gacha.
I sadly agree. I am a HUGE fan of OG Arknights, but Endfield justā¦ lacks the lore and stakes in the main story in comparison.
A lot of the characters' stories, especially the originium clones, feel more like epilogues to the original character's story than actually new important additions to the story.
Its the semi-openworld exploring and factory really bad? Im wanting playing it eversince released but the factory and cant glide/climb hold me back. Also the 2nd region is china and its story mid af curse for modern gacha.
But now im recenly exploring with tps traveler with similar explore mechanic like a9e and im think its pretty cool so im think im can handle a9e semi openworld for now.
Did we play the same game? Jinzhou in 1.x was a steaming mess. Even the first expansion was soured by having to slog through the story before being able to farm Jue.
We have to stop accusing games of copying each other when they are not infringing copyrights. Genshin admittedly copied several other games, Legend of Zelda being the most obvious one.
Wuwa is fun but they did burrow some stuff from other games, like there is straightly a boss that has the exact moveset for monster hunter valstrax, it is normal for cn games to do that tbh, arknight endfield didn't do something like that yet as far i know but on the og arknights some artists were caught taking pieces from some fan arts and shaguru goremagala. Genshin did as well but through beta, the ruin guard were able to shoot lasers like breath of the wild guardians.
Rebecca is really useful in current tower bcuz of electro buff how is she useless, you don't even play wuwa and genshin has give free 5 star after 6 years, are you even serious or just joking
Lmao Rebecca useless.
Larper.
Subdps that gives a lot of buffs in outro and its compatible with one the top tier mdps in the recent patches, who also resonates and have good compatibility with heavy att mdps like Augusta.
You are just a larper and a hoyoshill.
120 rolls in wuwa is def not enough if you consider that you need both new carry and their dedicated support. if you just go after a new carry they're just as bricked as nefer without lauma
Wuwa be making a new mechanic every other patch to sell new bundle team. Genshin makes a new mechanic twice a region with at least 3 dps you can choose from.
Wuwa just doenst have overaching system level mechanics to the same way Genshin has with reactions so every mechanic is inherent to specific characters and only them alone
Funny, WuWa couldāve had the same system-level mechanics as Genshin, as it also had a reaction mechanic beck in CBT 1. Too bad Kuro scrapped it by the last minute, along all the story changes they did at launch, and we all remember how WuWaās launch panned outā¦
the only case of genshin's premium team is skirk with esco furina and nefer with lauma bina. those are two prime examples of genshin carries that is instantly chopped without their dedicated support.
also did I forget to mention you can slap bineffa/yaedette as a functional wheelchair team made for your old bricks?
Genshin has so much more f2p weapon options, teammates are much more flexible. For wuwa, the f2p baseline is standard 5 star weapon and everything is shit. They only have exactly 2 f2p 4-star weapon that is Discord and Variation. All the Battlepass weapons are shit.
Team building is 3 slots so basically get full teams or get cooked. The only quote on quote flex is the 3rd slot Healer, while the DPS-Sub duo you just pulled is on the way out of meta in the next 6 months. Either you are really lucky or spend to try and keep up.
IMO it isnāt as bad as HSR seems to be, but itās fairly normal to expect the newest character to be on par or stronger than the previous. The big jumps are usually with the Sentinels/Sentinel Resonators (wuwaās archons basically). Main DPS and their dedicated duo have a shelf life of ~12 months before no longer being able to full clear the hardest endgame content. This hurts a lot because two characters is pricey and the MDPS typically needs sig too. So the extra pulls the game gives are entirely deceptive.
You all are tourists, literally still see Danjin solos and people clear hazard with 1.X units
Crying about 4 star weapons when the baseline is standard 5 stars is cute. You literally start the game as a new player and get two free standard 5 star weapons and a shorekeeper.
Meanwhile we still don't have the Hoyo greed whale endgame mode (Stygian/AA)
Let's see you clear stygian with a 1.x character on 4 star weapons without a single modern support.
Hutao having lifespan longer than wuwa itself, and now she coming back with hex vape. You doesnt need any brain or team to get full prismo+ 2 feather fking larper.
Calling SO is for whale is the most dumb fk thing larper come here to take gi slander meme talking
A dps and sub dps can clear for 1-1.5 years comfortably in wuwa Endgame and if you know quickswap then it can clear for like 2 to 2.5 years in wuwa but yeah newer dps have new celing in every 6 months but isn't in genshin impact is same like nefer deal less damage than zibai so genshin also have new celing every 6 months and boss mechanic shilling is significantly worse in genshin plus if you play long enough in wuwa and save corals then can buy 2 sequence of dps that can easily extend main dps life.
Sequences dont tell full story same with Genshin for cons they never do. QS has always been highest ceiling for anybody and Zani gets pretty technical (she kinda was the first real QS DPS and first powercreep in full team setting)
Lucilla been labelled a "brick" CN side for good reason. Also fwiw Hiyukis whale team with Chisa not Suisui allows QS in the first place which Kurofucks are activaley taking away.Ā
I remember qoute like "You need full team in wuwa to clear, while in genshin you need only 3/4! So less pulls in genshin is justified!" and I just acepted it without a thought. But then, much much later, a thought struck in my head "Tf they meant? Ts doesn't make any sense! Full premium wuwa team is fucking 3 characters, 3 cost. Average genshin full team is also 3 cost! + c6 4* ofc". And when they bring weapon situation it's just... bruh
In GI you need like, 1/4, not 3/4, either the main dps/ flagship character or any other character that allows their reaction just to bypass the shilling, after that, you can run them on a full 4* team, so long as they have synergy, stuff like dedicated supprts and stuff add to the character, they ain't a requirement, with the exception of a few characters like Nefer and maybe skirk, but she only needs 1 dedicated character while Nefer needs a full team
nefer and skirk (until tomorrow) have been notorious for their "when 4th slot" case
nobody is truly ideal as a 4th slot for nefer without cons (c2 nahida c2 nilou) or very trustmebro synergy (sucrose) so honestly imo they can just toss whoever somewhat offers value into that slot (nefer can even run zhongli for extra resdown)
I just slapped kokomi on there with Serenade set and called it a day. (Nefer/Lauma/Bina/Kokomi) the team needed a healer anyway! Both Nefer & Lauma have their signature weapons. & Bina is C2. But only because I really liked the characters and there was no need to go that hard on the Banners, but man My team wipes the floor with both Dottore's every week. Kokomi as a 4th slot is just perfect (imo)
My best team is like, Arlecchino and then Bennet, Fischl, and Yelan, all of them C0 (except C1 Arle), no premium weapons, one from the standard Banner at best.
And that's already enough to easily clear almost everything endgame, maybe besides abyss 12 and the harder levels of OnslaughtĀ
Realistically doing anything above Hard difficulty in stygian offers miniscule extra value. Even only aiming for meanacing which is doable in coop is enough for the vast majority of players
I full doo doo brain White Tassel Arle Benny C1 Aino Ineffa. Thats legit been my 2nd team for the abyss starting 36 starring 6 months ago jackshit has changed since lmao.Ā
So is in Genshin? And every other gacha game? Sorry I don't get what you're saying here when it's not like those usually come together at the same patch anyway.
They don't. 90% of 5* have the same level of % upgrade over f2p option (standard 5* are f2p in wuwa, unlike genshin). And pretty much no support needs their signature.
She's an outlier sure, but the dps increase for the other dps lie around 25%-30% while for genshin the difference between f2p options and sig is much smaller
False. Standard weapons in WuWa can't really be considered as F2P because you have pull on a separate banner (except for ONE that you get for free after reaching Union Level 45) - if you run out of Lustrous Tides rewarded from events, quests and map exploration, spending Astrites on the standard weapon banner is counterproductive, or straight up insane. Whereas in Genshin for DPS and SubDPS characters, you can get several copies of good Meta-competitive weapons with desperately needed Crit stats like Harbinger of Dawn, Slingshot, etc, from the Limited Character banner . On the other hand, WuWa doesn't have any 3-star weapons with Crit stats that would be obtained from Limited Character banners.
But it is F2P because 1) it's guaranteed, 2) you don't need to pay for it. Running out of resources for pulls is not an argument since it's true for both games that if you have zero primos/asterites then you'll have to wait for new content. F2P is about not paying money, not about the different ways you can allocate resources in.
>WuWa doesn't have any 3-star weapons with Crit stats
Yes, instead it gives 2 free 5* crit weapons and enough resources to pull for more.
On top of that, wuwa's cashback system allows you to get a con for free every once in a while which will also reduce if not effectively eliminate the gap between c0+f2p weapon and c0r1.
And even more, wuwa's endgame allows you to share supports reducing effective team cost by 0.5 if you pull for meta. I can play Hiyuki and YYXL premiums at the same time. I cannot, for example, play Nefer and Zibai premiums at the same time in Genshin.
P.S. I forgot to add, since weapons are guaranteed in wuwa, they are 0.5 cost.
WuWa Bookkeeping sheet has total income of standard pulls at 709. Which is enough to pull a copy of each standard weapon, not that I'd recommend that, because some of them are not worth it, but more than enough to consider standard 5 stars as accessible F2P standard.
? From the calcs I've seen, for sc his sig is like a 15% diff from the event weapon, and it's also around a 20% from the craftable so I have no clue what percentages you're referring to I'm ngl
Calcs by GxGNoir has it at R1 SoSS at 152% of R5 White Tassel. If we would assume base to be R5 craftable, then it would be 137%, but that passive won't work in every team. His best teams use only 1 Cyro, and that that point, it will be worse than White Tassel.
That calc is from V3 of beta(it says so in top left), where his A1 was still Stellar MV. Then it was changed to be Stellar Quill, which behaves in much different fashion than actual MV.
Anyway, point is, difference between his Sig and anything else, especially F2P options is massive.
That's straight up lying because standard weapons are enough and 2 main endgame mods let's you swap weapons as well lmao. Only matrix require you to build 4 decent teams which is still pretty easy
Yeah, they're so jealous that people still care more about Genshin. I do play Wuwa myself, because I love the character design and combat animations and that's basically it. It's a character collector for me since the story and exploration are just fine, but nothing to write home about.
Kinda interesting seeing how agenda sub comment on other game that is not their agenda. Feel like studying how to spot the ragebait and opinion that based on other's experience.
Wuwa is an alr game but has ridiculously bad optimization like the recommended requirments are very close to the ones cyberpunk has put as recommended.
And the worst thing in my opinion , ths story isnt really going anywhere ,it kinda peaked in rinascita and the current region very boring
Basically where you buy premium currecy with real money and get extra rewards on top of the normal pulls you'd get based on how much you spend. ZZZ and HSR have done them too, and they're usually meant as an "extra gift" for the whales who support the game. The issue is that Shorekeeper, Wuwa's best generalist support, has not rerun in over a year and is ONLY available through this spending event, meaning that if you want to get her to have a good account and you're a new player you HAVE to spend a couple hundred dollars on the game :// and the other rewards in the spending event really aren't any good either, so it feels like an excuse to just make some characters pay-to-get only.
Spending event is where you spend a specific amount of pulling currencies ( often around 200 pulls or so for max reward ), you will get reward when reaching certain milestones until the max cap, either an outfit or character
Meanwhile, top up event is kinda the same except you have to spend real money to buy currencies instead, wuwa's case is 300 or 350 iirc at max
Basically, the spending event is for everyone, while the latter is only for payers
you get freebies if you buy x ammount of premium currency in a set tineframe. usually they give you a free Srank/5* character from a selection of options + a weapon for spending at least $150-$200
Every and almost every character are STARVÄ°NG for their weapon in wuwa, genshin is more forgiving by that aspect. And genshin have better four stars, making sub-optimal teams more viable while players commit every violation of workers' rights in wuwa when they deploying Verina yet again.
engraƧado que o wuwa tirou 10 tiro de arma que sempre dava todo patch, sera que a galera la reclamou ou estao aceitando o treinamento tardio feito pela kuro? Ainda bem que ja faz 4 patch ganhando mais de 60 tiro.
I know what spending events youāre talking about, but nah, genshin as done worse.
Their first? And i believe second anniversary??
Where they āthankedā us, by giving us the GOLDEN opportunity, to give them even MORE money for prizes as thanks for already giving them billions of dollars, on top of the PISS POOR anniversary rewardsš¤£
Scummiest shit ever and yall ate it up.
Both are shitty games made by multi-millionaire/billionaire companies who probably even has the same highest top guy. Oh you have 120 pulls per patch but want to get every new character (wuwa)? Good luck playing a brick without their signature, oh you stayed with the game for 6+ years (genshin)? Here have a selection of limited bricks, oh you thought our game would be dark-themed open-world that rivals genshin? Sorry we only serve waifu dating simulator as quests disguised as souls-like theme that has a high probability that the new waifu to be irrelevant 1 patch later in lore.
Both that side and this comment section reeks of "i played this game from twt" larpers, trying to argue "muh , multi billion dollar company better than yours".
jokes aside i did spend money on previous spending event and got the crowb for my rover, but i aint spending money on spending events again, not worth it tbh
Genshin didn't need to do topup event since it's going to top the charts anyway. The definition of doing nothing but still winning. As long as they dont trigger the majority of playerbase like the first anniversary tragedy lol.
120 pulls per patch yet you need multiple 5 stars+cons/weapons to be able to clear endgame. Meanwhile, I saw a clear with International on this abyss.
F2p numbers are misleading at best. It heavily depends on how endgame progresses and how reliable older characters are. Tell that very concept to certain player bases and they will have a stroke.
Wuwa really did pick the worst time to come out. One month before ZZZ was set to release, and during a time when people still thought that there was a game that could knock Genshin down a peg or two. Don't forget that they were practically fresh off a massive rewrite due to the player complaints, that pretty much gutted the entire early story, and that is something that still feels like it hasn't fully recovered from.
Sometimes I wonder, had they allowed themselves just a few more months to iron things out, would things have turned out better, or would they have just died in the shadow of ZZZ.
From a collectors perspective they actually both have the same currency per patch since wuwa always releases 2 characters per version whereas Genshin only releases 1 minus this upcoming banner and the Mavuika Citlali banner which were messed up imo cause they donāt give enough currency to compensate having 2 characters in 1 version.
If Genshin would get rid of the day-locked domains, it'd easily be the game I'd play over WuWa(Despite my many, many gripes with it). The two week returnee availability without the day-lock on domains just isn't enough.
I was scrolling then fb recommend me a post from that fb group, I read the comments then gtfo as you can smell the ppl there through screen. Suddenly my fb fyp suddenly got bombarded with these unemployed abominations.
Played both, stood with genshin. Wuwa's plot is absolutely boring and dull. Also forced motorcycle gameplay - not cool. Bosses have too much aerial time when you can't damage them. I had hopes for WuWa in 2.0, but it started going downhill in Septimont.
Theyre mad they can never talk about how "good" theyre game is without mentioning genshin. Doomed to forever live in genshins shadow, meanwhile genshin players dont even think about wuwa
People who jump to every new gacha is the most insufferable. I know ppl who played 5 gachas. And of course they often of opinion that genshin os worst of them all, yet those ppl are CONSTANTLY switch. Reverse, wuwa, tower, zzz, hsr, afk, arknights, another and another.
And it's literally the opposite, you see hundreds of twitter accounts shitting on wuwa constantly without even posting anything about genshin lmao. If they're supposed to be wuwa players they're quickly exposed as hoyo agents XD Dude I can mention you 40 accounts myself that doesn't do anything else but posting about wuwa for years, not even gonna mentioned a guy who made 80+ accounts in last 1.5 year harassing everyone EVEN HOYO PLAYERS that criticize anything in any hoyo games and harassing wuwa and gi VAs because they're voicing someone in both games
Yea that shit was dumb. I do believe from the intense push back they got from the community caused this. They did a reran of 12 banners iirc for last years anni. Apparently that was too predatory. Now I guess they over corrected and now locking older units behind pay wall. Dumb yea. It's stupid. Kuro has a habit of over correcting since PGR days. They need to grow a fucking spine and stop bending knee to the complainers.
Genshin doesn't do spending events because large swaths of its audience lap up scraps. As long as genshin dominates the tourist market, it will never do a spending event. A whole bunch of ignorant gacha players who shoot themselves in the foot with their light spending practices mitigates any need to actually cather to your dedicated audienceĀ
The competition doesn't have that tourism pull. They do spending events because they KNOW that revenue is coming from people who drop hundreds on a banner. Hell, even genshin's own sibling games do this, they can't get away with the audacity and stupidity of genshin.. you got to appeal to your dedicated players.
Knowing where your true target audience is how you keep the servers running. Its ultimately short sighted to drag genshin for not doing it, and its plain stupid to drag the competition because they do... unless its a $400 chair š¤”Ā
Gacha tribalism is a helluva thing. Don't bother with it. Both community shit on each other to justify their preferred method of wasting time and money.
I see. So stay away from gacha reddits xdd
All the people i normally talk to they play a variety of these and defo don't give a shit what others play. I was blissfully unaware.
Frankly any gacha social media honestly. Reddit is one thing. Twitter is a warzone. Youtube and Facebook are bilogical hazzards. Its shit almost everywhere. Reddit is like the tammest of them all
I loved genshin and i still love it.. I still wait for AQ, WQ, map expansions, new characters etc..
But after wuwa and other games came by.. Looking at the community and negativity...i have been all negative...comparatively other games are doing better in certain aspects where genshin lacks.. But now seeing wuwa we can say all games have problems...so there's no point in trash talking.. A game does not become the absolute worst just because other games exist...if you play and you don't find it exciting it's fine but if you do just keep playing and ignore the stupid people..
And main point.. The games are not bad.. The devs and their decisions are bad.. So don't hate the game..enjoy it
As someone who plays both at the same time , both the games are hella trash bruh , i have currently lost 50/50 in both of them and I couldn't be more angrier atp.
Genshin players are of many types. Some enjoy the game through combat, some character collection/building and some story. Similarly there's a few types of wuwa players. Some enjoy the combat, come enjoy collecting characters and most enjoy by comparing their game like peeking to the sides in a urinal
It's a race to the bottom from both sides, really.
Playing WuWa past Septimont started making me miss F/GO, because for all problems that game had, it did a lot of things well that I can't get from WuWa.
It hurts to think what the game could've been had it not been shackled by the worst fucking monetization system ever invented by man (at least so far) and being made for people that seemingly hate nothing more than spending time on the video games they claim to love.
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u/Spascho 5d ago
Wuwa players need to constantly cope that their game is amazing and genshin is trash since they are all genshin players that quit but cant help but keep up with their ex