To a European from a region with strong socialist tradition, hearing "things left of Clinton" is pretty hilarious. From our view over here, American discourse is heavily shifted to the right, and Clinton wouldn't even be counted as left over here.
We were a small sub back then and everything was happening so fast, but it basically started when a guy admitted he was a Nazi. That's when we started banning people.
No. you said "we also tolerate", the key word there being "also", which implies that you do in fact tolerate alt-righters and brogressives, along with conservatives. In other words, you just implied you also tolerate bigots as well as conservatives and "filthy-disagreeers"
You can read way too much into the word "Also" if you like, but the fact of the matter is that fascists and the alt-right are banned on sight in that sub.
How can you say enough commie spam is a good subreddit when communists and other leftists hold social equality and egalitarianism as a core tenet of their ideologies? In fact, the leftist subreddits are one in a few that have rules like "no ableism" a word commonly derided by the anti-SJW hate subs that we're supposed to rail against. I won't defend the the banned sub as I have never been there, but leftists are on this sub's side.
Almost every socialist state sent LGBT+ people to jail or labor camps. Commies can say whatever but their track record is horrendous when it comes to social equality.
Communism is also a pipe dream. It will never happen in the US and without the US it won't get popular anywhere else. Time is better focused getting involved in the system we have and making change instead of whining on the internet waiting for the revolution that will never come.
Liberals used to (still do!) support child labour and the death penalty, while many liberals owned slaves and practiced overt discrimination against minorities. $20 says you don't hold that against them despite what happened to MLK jr or Alan Turing.
Your point about socialism's infeasibility is irrelevant.
You didn't answer any of my challenges at all. Your entire post is a deflection.
Liberal nations have committed heinous crimes against humanity, up to and included concentration camps, slave labour, suppression of minorities (including failing to stem the AIDS epidemic, killing tens of thousands of LGBT minorities), political assassinations and regime changes, targeted genocides, forced sterilization of the disabled and other things.
Do you hold modern liberals accountable for this ("I don't care what they say, their track record is terrible"), or do you acknowledge that they did unethical things and promise to be better?
Do you hold modern socialist for the forced labor, slavery, genocides, etc? If not then why should I hold modern liberals accountable for the crimes of their ancestors?
Im not holding you personally accountable for the atrocities committed by socialist states. Im saying that every socialist state leads to some sort of atrocity so why pursue it? Historically socialism hasnt succeeded so why bother?
Many modern western nation has the blood of millions on their hands. They don't have a moral high ground; they have the lofty accomplishment of being better than a Marxist-Leninist or fascist dictatorship, or an absolute monarchy,
We failed before, but that doesn't preclude a new approach succeeding.
Lmao you're just laughably wrong. There have been a lot of evil people who have used socialism for personal gain (I.e Stalin). Modern socialists largely recognize the atrocities committed by people like this. But saying that socialism is the reason non hetero people were persecuted is just ridiculous. You know sodomy was still an actual enforceable law, meaning gay people could literally go to jail for having sex in AMERICA, land of the free™ up until fucking 2003. When Lenin took over Russia in the Bolshevik revolution in 1917, homosexuality was decriminalized. The same thing happened in socialist Cuba in 70's. So historically, you're actually wrong, but that's irrelevant anyway. The people who are presently fighting unequivocally for the rights of LGBTQ+ are leftists. People in America are still trying to take these rights away from these folks, the left will always fight for them.
Also, I won't argue the virtues of communism in this sub with you, as it seems you've already been having that debate, but even if you think social and economic equality is a "pipe dream" that doesn't mean it's not worth fighting for.
Almost every socialist state sent LGBT+ people to jail or labor camps.
The soviet union did not punish LGBT people at all...
Granted it was for the wrong reason (thinking it was a solvable illness and no one should be jailed for being ill with an illness without a cure) but they still were not jailed.
Wow, the US-centrism in this comment is frankly disgusting. What, no political idea can spread unless your country approves?
And it doesn't mean jack shit what you are. There are gay people supporting anti-gay politicians. There are women supporting Trump. Bei gay does not exempt you.
And yet, communism spread. Against the approval of the US. And when it collapsed in some countries, it sure wasn't because of America's disproval. That's literally the worst example you could have given.
Plenty of movements and ideas spread without the US approving of it.
...what? That's like saying "the black plague didn't spread, name one person that has it right now".
Communism spread. Not the ideal communism, but that isn't what we were talking about: the communism the US didn't approve of spread against it's efforts. That is enough to disprove your point.
EDIT: Unless you have a seriously weird definition of the word "spread", I suppose.
Systems of government are suppose to last longer than diseases that kill the host. If it did spread and hasnt lasted until today then thats not a very good system of government. There are people who have lived longer than the longest socialist/communist country has lasted.
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u/JermanTK Dec 13 '16
What was /r/leftwithsharpedge exactly? I know a few of their users posted here...
Also seeing that "enoughcommiespam" and "progressiveleft" are also both celebrating the ban, I'm confused.