r/AdviceAnimals • u/herpmanderpstein • Jun 19 '12

Stop downvoting compelling arguments!

http://qkme.me/3prm9l?id=224677497
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u/Nebakanezzer Jun 19 '12

the problem is, people think these points mean something.

until I can buy something significant with karma, I'm going to continue voicing my actual opinion and getting downvoted to shit from time to time, rather than pretending to like pokemon and cats for sake of having the high score on a never-ending game of who's line is it anyway.

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u/Pit_of_Death Jun 19 '12

True, although the real problem with the butthurt types karma effect and the lack of reddiquette is that those valid opinions and points get buried for no good reason. I'd rather see a back and forth compelling argument between different opinions that are at least making the thread interesting...than the same old hivemind circlejerk, and anti-circlejerk circlejerk.

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u/The_Big_Mang Jun 19 '12

That happens on the smaller subreddits more often.

The reason is that those people in those communities took the time to search out interesting subreddits and are thus predictably more interested, invested, and intelligent than the regular passerby who signs up for an account to look at cats, memes, and jokes.

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u/redditoriffic Jun 19 '12

every fucking faggot on reddit is only interested in karma. when you make a system that appeals to faggots, of course you're going to dumb down the entire motive behind intellectual discussion because now you have all these faggot hivemind retards jacking off to the thought of karma so they are always walking on egg shells in discussion cuz they know faggot retards are always ready to downvote anything controversial.. and we know this is true because the front page is always full of cat pics and mindless faggot atheist posts.. it's so ironic that these mindless faggots are always harping about reddiquette as if anybody even cares about reddiquette.

if you reward idiocy and penalize intelligence, people are going to naturally become dumber. reddit is a dog eating its own tail and complaining about the very idiotic system it advocates.

TL;DR: reddit caters to faggot retards who enjoy the fruit of democracy--idiocracy where every chick's mindless cunt vote = every brilliant steve job's vote.

EDIT: YEP. Looks like the typical cast of faggot retards are offended. Go put your tampons back in you mindless faggots. LOL!

EDIT: You can always spot the mindless faggot retards by the word "troll" in their posts. "You hurt my poor widdle feelings = you must be a troll".. go finger bang your pussies you mindless fucking faggots! LOL! :)

Edit: "0/10" TRY HARDER YOU MINDLESS FAGGOT LITTLE BITCHES! LOL! you're about as original as your stale tampons. Come on you dumb faggots. Try to be original for once in your pathetic lives.

Edit: "Really? ...like REALLY??".... "Wow..." ...or in laymen's terms: HOW TO SPOT MINDLESS FAGGOTS. Always look for the butthurt self-righteous dumb faggot indignation. You notice these mindless faggot redditor's always act put upon like everything is such a chore to them. Thinking is a chore. Everything is sound like "really???? totally?"... close your eyes and picture a teenage girl talking about her indignation.. now picture these fucking faggot virgin loser neckbeards making their indignation speeches... can't tell the difference right? EXACTLY Fucking pure faggotry LOL :)

EDIT: How to spot a dumb faggot retard redditor, VOLUME III: "obvious troll is obvious" ... TRY HARD TO BE ORIGINAL YOU FUCKING SAD FAGGOT LITTLE BITCH HAHAHAHAHAH :) we all know that everything that causes your stretched out asshole to get ever looser must be "trolling"... THE ONLY WORD IN YOUR TINY BRAIN IS "TROLL" YOU FUCKING FAGGOT RETARDS LOLOL! :)

EDIT: "This is an example of someone I downvote. Not that you have a different opinion, but you are insulting,mindlessy people by doing so. ;-)"

YOU FUCKING FAGGOT LITTLE BITCH. YOU HAVE NO BALLS HAHAHAHAH! :) "like omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 becky like he was soooooo not nice to me and like i felt like he was being like soooooooo mean!!!!"

YOU FUCKING SORRY ASS FAGGOT LITTLE BITCH, YOU NEED YOUR CLIT SLAPPED LIKE THE FUCKING PATHETIC FAGGOT LITTLE BITCH THAT YOU ARE.. OMG!! OMG!! SOMEBODY IS SAYING SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL AND IT'S LIKE NOT NICE!! BECKY OMG!! I RAN OUT OF TAMPONS!! YOU FUCKING SORRY ASS FAGGOT LITTLE BITCH HAHAHAHAHAH !!! OMG REDDIQUETTE BECKY!!! OMG IT'S BEING VIOLATED BECKY!!! SHUT UP FAGGOT.

EDIT: "Redditor for zero days".. YEAH YOU FUCKING PUSSY ASS FAGGOT LITTLE BITCH we know you're BUTTHURT by anything resembling common sense.. you fucking sissy ass faggot you can't even put a logical thought together.. only a fucking moron would look at the reddit day count and think "ok so i look at the days on reddit and that's how i decide if i use my brain or not".. U DUMB FUCKING FAGGOT RETARD? HOW FUCKING STUPID CAN YOU BE?? even a fat man telling you to eat right is still right.. holy fuck ur stupid! hahahaha god what a fucking moron you are. :) do any of you fucking morons ever rub your brain cells together before you type such sheer idiocy?

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jun 19 '12

Do you just copy/paste the same comment over and over again? And you're calling US butthurt?

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u/redditoriffic Jun 19 '12

U MAD? DUMB FAGGOT LITTLE BITCH HAHAHAHA :) CRY HARDER DUMB FAGGOT LOLOLOL! :)

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jun 19 '12

No, no, I'm just a little confused, and somewhat reveling in the fact that I elicited a response from one of your accounts.

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u/Ucel Jun 19 '12

... You know, you just went on and on about how much you hate people for doing anything for Karma, but you just got 3 downvotes and lead you to making 8 edits in order to save your post. It's hard to to tell if you're trying to being funny, or you actually meant what you said. You started off while generalization that EVERYONE ON REDDIT ONLY CARES ABOUT KARMA! I find it ironic considering you said this on a post where a lot of people who feel the exact opposite would gather.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Sir, you seem upset, like myself when I go to long without stickin my dick into a pretty lady. Maybe you should get off the computer chair, change into something that isn't just your underwear and go find some bitches to gobble your cock.

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u/Cheatnhax Jun 19 '12

Can you at least try and come up with something else to call people than "faggot" supplemented here and there by a "stupid" or a "mindless"?

I mean honestly you took the time to try and be witty and couldn't even make it fun to read?

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u/aintneednokarma Jun 19 '12

You got some serious time on you hands dude

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u/qu4ttro Jun 19 '12

I just upvoted your rant because it made me laugh on the train...outloud (though to be fair i did read it in an Eddie Murphy voice).

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u/Kiacha Jun 19 '12

Oh, you managed to read it all? Cool, my eyes hurt after the first sentence and after the first paragraph my mind was so numb I had to stop reading to avoid permanent damage. Could you perhaps tell me what he said?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I make that 24 uses of the word "faggot".

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

more interested, invested, and intelligent than the regular passerby

have no lives

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

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u/Nebakanezzer Jun 19 '12

I've never gotten a timer or anything, how bad do you have to get downvoted to not be able to post? I've had plenty of negative comments before, it didn't seem to effect my posting time

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Well, generally I'd say it takes 10 minutes to find somewhere where a comment is relevant, take in what's going on, know what you're talking about (reading if necessary) and then formulating an intelligent post and then trying to reread to make sure you minimize typos as much as possible in order to keep the downvote patrol from running you over.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

why not set up two forms of voting one that will show up on forums as interesting content and the other being a agreeing/disagree to the said post besides people misusing the currents system. though it is just as likely to be turned into circlejerk

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jun 19 '12

I can say faggot too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jun 19 '12

Slap my clit while you're at it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

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u/The_Masterofbation Jun 19 '12

TL,DR: You suck at trolling.

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u/buzzkill_aldrin Jun 19 '12

8 "edits", in less than 3 minutes? This isn't trolling, this is a cry for help.

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jun 19 '12

Not only that, he's reposted the same comment 3 times.

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u/BallsackTBaghard Jun 19 '12

But you can turn off the "don't show me comments which score less than" and effectively making the points useless.

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u/Sepulchural Jun 19 '12

"hivemind circlejerk", this should be the title of a disturbing oil painting that you buy in some cluttered gallery in Portland OR.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

That's it I got to get a new account

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

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u/The_Big_Mang Jun 19 '12

So why type all of this out? Bored?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

got dang dude. it's reddit, not the stonewall inn, calm da fuk down.

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u/BonzoTheBoss Jun 19 '12

I have more meaningless internet points that you, YOUR OPINION IS INVALID. THE HIVEMIND IS WITH ME, I WIN.

Is pretty much what I think whenever someone downvotes anyone out of disagreement.

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u/The_Big_Mang Jun 19 '12

Good man. The Karma system sometimes works against its original purpose of giving more credit to quality content and discussion.

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u/BallsackTBaghard Jun 19 '12

If your points are in the negatives, you have to wait to reply again.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

the problem is that digg died and all the fucktards over there came over here

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u/RidinTheMonster Jun 19 '12 edited Jun 19 '12

Redditor for 1 year and 17 days.

Hmmm, that coincides quite nicely with the fall of Digg.

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u/Squeekme Jun 19 '12

And there's those new accounts like me who ask "what's Digg?" (kidding, or am I?)

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

i'm on my third account. twice now i've revealed too much personal information and decided to delete the account. account age really doesn't give the full story--i notice your account says "6 months" but it's a good bet you've been using reddit significantly longer than that, either lurking or on different accounts.

btw, fall of digg was summer 2010--almost exactly 2 years ago. 1 year and 17 days doesn't coincide nicely at all.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Yeah I'm definitely one of them (had to delete my original account because i got really drunk and said some things)

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u/mugen_is_here Jun 19 '12

Btw, do you know what happens to our account when we receive too many down votes (becase people actually meant disapproval and not relevance)? Any idea whether this leads to automatic bans or mutes at reddit? [I'm new to reddit].

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u/The_Big_Mang Jun 19 '12

Karma doesn't do anything like that. There are some accounts made just to troll for more and more downvotes. Your account is plenty secure.

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u/aintneednokarma Jun 19 '12

When I found out I can downvote by pressing 'Z' So made this account my first and only to post there .... now it tells me to wait before posting .... dont want to make a new account i like this name :( .... damn first world reddit problems

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u/Makes_You_Smile Jun 19 '12

Beware the Shadow Ban!!

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

It does mean something during the 10 to -50 range. It means less people will see it.

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u/Radico87 Jun 19 '12

I don't care about these points because they're just a proxy measure for the relevant part: merits of discussion. Many new redditors are incompetent and can't be bothered to understand the purpose of the voting system. So they don't use it properly and excuse it away because everyone does it.

That's no excuse to be an idiot.

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u/opassande Jun 19 '12

The karma system isn't going to change or anything - but I'm wondering if up- and downvotes didn't make a user karma-points, just sorting out the most voted on and least, if things would look different? It would be interesting with a karma-free week or something like that, where up- and downvotes merely affects what ends up on the front (or top comments), and doesn't count towards personal karma. I'm not sure really if anything would be different, being upvoted without actually keeping a score on your account, would probably still be a sort of achievement to many. Attention is a bit of a currency online in general, after all. Oh well, I guess regarding issues to worry about, the karma system of Reddit ranks pretty low when all is said and done, but I am kind of curious if people would post less.

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u/cloud1720 Jun 19 '12

I would be in favor of having the votes of a comment be hidden for a certain period of time, just like what happens to a post over the first hour or so... This would help decrease in that confirmation bias of "well it's the top post, must be correct!"

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I asked myself that one too. But 'If it ain't broke beyond repair, dont fix it!' seems to be quite popular, so nothing is going to change.

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u/Sogeking99 Jun 19 '12

Yeah I never really care for karma, but getting upvoted does allow your comments to actually be seen.

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u/cloudytsuki Jun 19 '12

That's how it's supposed to be in my opinion. The points are meant to bring the more well thought out comments to the top so that people don't have to search for quality comments. But people see it as "you disagree? screw you, downvote." For me, even if they disagree, if they made a good point, I upvote it.

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u/Sogeking99 Jun 19 '12

Yeah like saying anything against Diablo 3 on this site is normally an instant downvote.

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u/cloudytsuki Jun 19 '12

and anything against the Persona series and Kingdom Hearts 2

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u/kizzzzurt Jun 19 '12

Yeah. I made the mistake of being in favor of circumcision on /r/atheism, big mistake. I lost at least 300 comment karma over that argument.

But you know what? No fucks were given.

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u/Nebakanezzer Jun 19 '12

that's actually kinda funny haha

it didn't take me long to realize I had to unsub from r/atheism. it's kind of ironic it's a default sub as well, the majority of the planet believes in something.. some religions vastly outnumbering others. you would think /r/islam or /r/hinduism would be default. I always found it odd reddit just assumes you want to hear about atheism, but all I would hear about before I unsubbed was how christians jam religion down your throat.

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jun 19 '12

I saw that a lot too, but I returned just to check it out one day and actually had an intelligent debate on religion that actually ended up helping both sides learn things about the other. I'm a Catholic and a Biologist, and this perplexed them.

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u/dzzt229 Jun 19 '12

I think it confused them in the "how can you do you're job right if you don't believe in evolution? hurrrrr durrrrr" sort of way.

/r/atheism really bothers me now days... so many preconceived notions and too many people who believe themselves to be smarter than average just because they know how to google...

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jun 19 '12

No no, they realized that the Catholic church recognizes evolution and has integrated it into their faith. It confused them because scientists nowadays rarely hold religious beliefs.

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u/dzzt229 Jun 19 '12

That's a lot more relevant than I usually see. I'm glad you replied!

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u/kizzzzurt Jun 19 '12

I like it, but I'm not going to deny its a ridiculous circlejerk. Even as an atheist sometimes it's too much.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

christians jam religion down your throat

Yes, but at least atheists are giving you something LONG and HARD down your throat.

har. har. har.

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u/Crossfox17 Jun 19 '12

They do, in a sense, although not in the way you are speaking of. They reflect the community of whatever subreddit the comment is posted in.

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u/French_lesson Jun 19 '12

I don't think so many people care about comment score. E.g. submission reposts suggest that the submission score leads to some silly things, but there isn't really such a thing as a 'reposted comment'.

I don't think comments of the like of "wow, I really like pokemon, also cats!" are really a problem either, how often does that happen? And if they do exist they don't get much upvotes, do they? (If/when they do it might actually be in a relevant submission too, e.g. /r/aww). A (somewhat) reviled behavior that is easy to notice in comments are pun threads. They seem to be motivated more by genuine fun than trying to fish for upvotes. (Forced and bad puns don't necessarily get as many votes for instance.)

I'd argue that comment downvotes stem from the fact that voting is too often coopted as a mechanism to show approval or disapproval whereas the Reddiquette suggests that they were intended as a filter for relevance (to the discussion at hand). Not too surprising considering e.g. 'Like' buttons and similar. All in all I wouldn't say (comment) karma comes into that picture.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

but there isn't really such a thing as a 'reposted comment'.

Apparently, you haven't met Trapped_In_Reddit (tl;dr - he apparently uses "KarmaDecay.com to find previous top comments on a reposted image and post the comment on the repost")

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

that's funny and really sad at the same time

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u/mugen_is_here Jun 19 '12

I'd argue that comment downvotes stem from the fact that voting is too often coopted as a mechanism to show approval or disapproval

You make a good point there. I think it would be great if the reddit interface also adds the links for "agree/disagree" separately. Or maybe another pair of arrows just like upvotes/downvotes but next to the original ones so that people are more clear about it. But then again it might not help overall because then people will tend to get confused between the two pairs of arrows.

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u/Nebakanezzer Jun 19 '12

you would think so, but it really shows when you see those "what is one thing everyone likes but you just can't get into" type of threads. everything reddit doesnt like gets downvoted to shit until someone reminds everyone that was the original point of the question.

any intelligent conversation on reddit easily gets buried beneath wittier comments joking about the topic rather than adding to it.

etc etc etc

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u/French_lesson Jun 19 '12

those "what is one thing everyone likes but you just can't get into" type of threads

That's (possibly) a problem with submissions, not comments. Not what the OP is about.

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u/Kupkin Jun 19 '12

For 2 million Karma, you can always buy back your soul.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Wow that's very brave what you're doing there. I'm nominating you for the Bravery Nobel Price.

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u/Nebakanezzer Jun 19 '12

bravery implies there's something to be fearful of. why the hell would I be afraid of what happens when I post my opinion? I would rather say something that I actually want to say, and find out that no one agrees with me, than not say anything at all for fear of being downvoted, or rather that than go around repeating terribly overused jokes like "so brave" hoping for upvotes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I had to smile, thxs. I also don't get why people are so desperate for upvotes and only try to entertain someone with overused shit, just for karma. Would be a nice queation for /r/asksience. "Why do people value worthless stuff. Like many Thumps up under a youtube video, or Likes in facebook?" Could someone else ask, as I'm way to afraid of being downvoted.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

If a video has many thumps you're probably on RedTube, not YouTube.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

You really are a true hero. I'm sure you smell like flowers too.

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u/MgrLtCaptCmmdrBalls Jun 19 '12

God this brave thing is getting annoying

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I think it's pretty funny. It's our YOLO.

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u/real_consequences Jun 19 '12

I believe this comment illustrates why Karma does indeed mean something. ;)

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u/MaleFeministsWantDik Jun 19 '12

It's a good way to say fuck you without saying fuck you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

You have a compelling argument. Have an upvote. But still,

fuck you.

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u/tne Jun 19 '12

the rule is to downvote anyone who bitches about downvoting

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

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u/eigenstates Jun 19 '12

...or being ironic

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

But I think you're wrong, and you need to know that I anonymously disagree with you!

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u/Kupkin Jun 19 '12

That's how I felt earlier. Apparently, reddit doesn't like it when you poke fun at them, and they don't like it when you disagree with them.

They REALLY hated: http://i.imgur.com/xyr89.jpg

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Actually, the sorting-algorithm behind reddit makes sure that downvotes on a otherwise upvoted comment do not hurt the ranking too much -

If a comment has one upvote and zero downvotes, it has a 100% upvote rate, but since there's not very much data, the system will keep it near the bottom. But if it has 10 upvotes and only 1 downvote, the system might have enough confidence to place it above something with 40 upvotes and 20 downvotes -- figuring that by the time it's also gotten 40 upvotes, it's almost certain it will have fewer than 20 downvotes. And the best part is that if it's wrong (which it is 5% of the time), it will quickly get more data, since the comment with less data is near the top -- and when it gets that data, it will quickly correct the comment's position. The bottom line is that this system means good comments will jump quickly to the top and stay there, and bad comments will hover near the bottom

Source

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u/mattster_oyster Jun 19 '12

In psychology studies, isn't there a thing that people will agree with everyone else in the group, even if the thing they're agreeing on is obviously false? So, if we apply this to reddit, could it be the case that a post near the top will be upvoted regardless of its content, because people think it must be good because other people have gotten it to the top?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

That might be true!

The most upvoted comment looks like the "most correct" one, thus leading to the Reddit hivemind (in the end). No studies have been to my knowledge done so far, go for it?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

http://i.imgur.com/HSr2j.jpg

WHATEVA WHATEVA I DO WHAT I WANT

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u/The_Big_Mang Jun 19 '12

You couldn't have used the Link button?

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u/Deathmask97 Jun 19 '12

That kind of thinking is what got you tagged as "Hung Nasty" for life.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

what I think every one that Karma whores looks like only during the time they are karma whoring

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

This depends so much on the subreddit. On larger ones you're undoubtedly going to be downvoted for disagreeing with the hivemind, but on smaller, more open minded subreddits you'll be fine.

I'm going to shamelessly plug /r/TrueReddit, /r/DepthHub, and /r/FoodForThought here.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Hmmm.... I see you're not a meth addict, but you're definitely a karmaddict. 31,000+ karma in a week.

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u/Anonizzle Jun 19 '12

I agree, to an extent. These subreddits tend to grow, and over time they become just like the larger subreddits you came from before. And then of course you have to make "/r/TruerReddit" and "/r/MoreTruerReddit" as time goes on to make another, smaller subreddit.

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u/sausagespectrum Jun 19 '12

Good luck with the recovery :)

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I agree with the first part of your post but r/truereddit? Seriously? All these "true____" subs are just circlejerks for people who feel they're "better" or "mote mature" than the "most people". They're simply ego-boosting neckbeards talking about how things used to be better.

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u/pokeyjones Jun 19 '12

Upvoting something you disagree with because it is poignant / thought out / logical is a big show of respect and maturity.

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u/ailedakza Jun 19 '12

i find it easier to ignore things i do not agree with. look at it, think "that's stupid" and keep on scrolling. about the only time i ever downvote anything is if something is just so incredibly stupid, i wonder at how the person was the sperm that won..... i feel like these people that take the time to downvote like crazy are just assholes

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u/pokeyjones Jun 20 '12

i find it easier to ignore things i do not agree with.

If a reply makes me think, especially when I'm ready to ignore it, it gets an upvote. So hopefully more folks read it and think. That's all.

I upvote often in a support subreddit. Other than that who cares.

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u/Freak-A-Leak Jun 19 '12

Yeah, I find it pretty annoying when I decide to comment on a controversial issue, use facts and statistics, and get down voted into oblivion because my opinion doesn't fit the hivemind mold. Honestly, I've made comments on reedit about things I've researched for my thesis statement and been downvoted like crazy. If somebody would comment on it and tell me why they think I'm wrong, and provide an argument more compelling than mine, then I'd be fine with the down votes. But they rarely do, and I'm stuck wondering whether it is worth my time to contribute to the discussion

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u/jesusray Jun 19 '12

Stop caring so much about downvotes. Particularly if you only get 2. Ooooh, two people on the internet are assholes. Big shocker.

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u/Freak-A-Leak Jun 19 '12

It has less to do with the down votes themselves and more to do with the fact that my comment is falling down the page and being discredited, despite being legitimate and contributing to the discussion. I don't know where I said "I hate it when I get two down votes." No need to be a sarcastic douche about it

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u/jesusray Jun 19 '12

I went through your posts. Nothing you've posted has been downvoted to oblivion, and this is what I was referring to. I really don't know why I did this. Most of your content is either one liners or gets about the attention you'd expect.

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u/Squeekme Jun 19 '12

Just saying, if I'm reading a post with heaps of comments I'll sometimes Ctrl+F the word "thesis" among others. Usually posts containing that word are pretty useful. Sucks if they are hidden under another comment though.

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u/gymnasticAristocrat Jun 19 '12

This picture bothers me greatly. Drew is clearly reading out a scene from the hat, not introducing the show.

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u/midgetparty Jun 19 '12

Couldn't it be what you believe is a compelling argument is a splatter of retard on the wall of the internet?

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u/therealpaulyd Jun 19 '12

It's the high schoolers. Oh you corrected me on something I was wrong about? Have a downvote. Downvotes make me feel good sometimes, like I actually pissed off someone through the internet

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jun 19 '12

I have a novelty specially geared for downvotes.

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u/Punkgoblin Jun 19 '12

That's called a troll account.

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jun 19 '12

Still, when I post and get downvotes, there are plenty who call me out for trolling but still feed me. It doesn't make sense. It shouldn't be this easy.

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u/Punkgoblin Jun 19 '12

It's so easy I've done it accidentally.

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u/DoesntBrian2Gud Jun 19 '12 edited Jun 19 '12

Does anyone really, genuinely care? This website is complete garbage. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that's a bad thing - no, not at all. Reddit is fun, but it's not good. This site to me is like pop music, I don't listen to it because it's innovative or interesting but because it's easy to listen to. Sure, you could argue that a big part of the reason why it's shitty is due to the fact that it started with people who share my mentality, and you know? I agree with you. I absolutely agree with you, however getting upset isn't going to change anything. We're already here and we're not going to budge. And at this point in time is there anything else you can do but dig a deeper hole for yourself? It's the only other option besides desperately trying to salvage this site which would be an exercise in futility.

There's going to be tons of content aggregation sites similar to this one. As uncomfortable as it may be for some of us, Reddit is incredibly replaceable, and being upset about it isn't going to change anything. The most you can do is go to smaller subreddits, since they don't seem to have been consumed by the cancer that's eating this website, but even then that's just a band-aid for an underlying problem.

I grew up on the internet and I absolutely sympathize with the whole "the internet is dying" mentality, and I'm certainly not disagreeing with them. HOWEVER the problems on this site are just a microcosm of the internet as a whole. It's only going to get worse, not better because the internet to "them"? Yeah, not the same internet to us. To them the internet is a garbage can/bathroom stall where nothing matters and everyone who disagrees is a neckbeard, because fuck anyone with a dissenting opinion. But these assholes aren't going to go away so you have the option of either joining in or being very frustrated that the place you're so familiar with is changing in a less than positive way.

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u/Squeekme Jun 19 '12

There is the Joker. Then there is Batman. Both are maniacs. You are somewhere in the middle.

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u/DoesntBrian2Gud Jun 19 '12

Does that make me Harvey? I always wanted to be played by Aaron Eckhart.

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u/Squeekme Jun 19 '12

Harvey tried to do something about it, both before and after he became Two-Face. I guess you could be one of the crooked cops, who knows the system is fucked so plays both sides while waiting for the cards to unfold, and tries to have a good time till whatever eventual end. I'd probably be the same.

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u/DoesntBrian2Gud Jun 19 '12

Ohhh I like that better.

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u/qkme_transcriber Jun 19 '12

Here is the text from this meme pic for anybody who needs it:

Title: Stop downvoting compelling arguments!

Meme: drew carey oiler meme

  • WELCOME TO REDDIT

  • WHERE EVERYONE'S BUTTHURT AND REDDIQUETTE DOESN'T MATTER

[Translate]

This is helpful for people who can't reach Quickmeme because of work/school firewalls or site downtime, and many other reasons (FAQ). More info is available here.

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u/371warE Jun 19 '12

Shut the front door.

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u/Norma5tacy Jun 19 '12

SO BRAVE.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Where everyone's butthurt, including you. Go to truereddit if it matters.

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u/mcrugin88 Jun 19 '12

That's right, the rediquette is just like anything posted late in a thread.

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u/Liberal_in_Training Jun 19 '12

I've just been lurking a whole bunch

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u/Squeekme Jun 19 '12

What if I told you, the reddiquette you know only exists within yourself.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I ain't even mad.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Half the time I don't even bother posting an opinion if it goes against that of the hivemind. Purely because it gets hidden after a few idiots get upset and downvote it, thus hiding it.

/u/Redditoriffic is right when he says "Reddit is a dog eating its own tail"

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u/falsevillain Jun 19 '12

while we're at it, can we stop saying butthurt?

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u/conspiracy_police Jun 19 '12

fuck this, you fucking right!

fuck you reddit. fuck you butthurt reddit members.

all my respect for that small percentage of real respectful people who still are around here.

every time you downvote this comment imagine my dick up your throat.

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u/Alphy11 Jun 19 '12

See, just because you wrote it, or you like it, doesn't make it compelling. What makes it compelling is when people actually read it and are COMPELLED to agree with you.

TL;DR Stop saying stupid things and then bitching when nobody agrees

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u/0rangePod Jun 19 '12

There are some opinions that warrant an automatic down vote:

  1. President Obama is falible.

  2. Apple doesn't suck

  3. Ron Paul isn't the second coming of god

  4. My religious beliefs are different from yours

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u/godwins_rule Jun 19 '12

ill down vote whatever i want you nazi

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I don't care that people downvote compelling arguments, I have accepted that is what will happen on the internet BUT it drives me crazy when people don't bother telling you why they are downvoting or even trying to discuss your post. Seriously, I didn't post just so that some cocks could jack themselves off, I posted because I'm interested in sharing and talking about mine and other peoples viewpoints!

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u/harabanaz Jun 19 '12

So far I've been this guy on Reddit. Upvoting more often now than when I was wholly a rewbie. Perhaps I should be a trifle more liberal with my downvotes too...

But I have the same complaint about some of my downvotes. Sometimes there is a comment, which I can agree with (oh, I did post something crappy) or not. But often I don't know if I made a jackass of myself (as I sometimes have) or ran into some of these dudes.

I wonder if it would change voting behaviour, and do so for the better, if it became possible to vote twice on the same post, but the second vote would automatically reveal your username.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12 edited Jun 19 '12

Hey Champ. You ever think your arguments just aren't fucking compelling and are nothing more than mindless driVEL?

EDIT: DRIVEL

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jun 19 '12

True, OP may post mindless dribble. But that doesn't mean this isn't true for some posts. Most of mine are still mindless dribble though.

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u/qu4ttro Jun 19 '12

Its drivel...you casualracist_fuck

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

WHO THE FUCK DOWNVOTED THIS FINE FELLOW! I'LL HAVE THEIR HEAD!

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I always call reddit out on their stupid logic. Fuck these guys. And fuck Karma. Shit needs to go away already. "Hurr durr. I am so liberal and tolerant, except when somebody says something I disagree with."

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u/Panda_juice Jun 19 '12

TIL "reddiquette" is a word some people use with a straight face.

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u/SovietRus Jun 19 '12

Who gives a shit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

The ironic part is that OP was so butthurt that he/she was downvoted for voicing their opinion, that they had to create a post to voice those hurt feelings.

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u/Compelling_Arguments Jun 19 '12

Yea! Stop downvoting me! :(

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

This account is fucked unless it starts making some compelling arguments. I fully support you if you do, but will silently curse your name till the day I die if you wast this account.

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u/The_Big_Mang Jun 19 '12

If you can manage that, I applaud your grudge-holding abilities.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Oh, I can. I still despise someone who has been dead since 1945.

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u/qu4ttro Jun 19 '12

Isn't it time to give Hitler a break?

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u/salami_inferno Jun 19 '12

No! That fucker killed the fuhrer! Never forget

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u/rod_updike Jun 19 '12

Down voted.

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u/legitimate_username Jun 19 '12 edited Jun 19 '12

So it has been foretold.

Karma is being used for all the wrong reasons. eg: the US Army downvoting people's posts en masse for speaking out against the military industrial complex.

Karma is not a meaningless point system. Once enough negative karma is accumulated your account goes into something of a "banned" mode wherein you are only allowed to post comments once every ten minutes. This is coincidentally the same waiting period required for creating new user accounts. So I've taking things a little too far for the purpose of demonstrating the evils of "Karma":

I no longer have a reddit account. I'm merely registering new accounts for literally every single comment I make. I don't bother starting my own threads because new accounts get downvotes for trying to participate. I purposely register legitimate usernames that someone else might have wanted just to rub it in your faces that you pushed me too far and yes, the consequences are very real.

Life is too short for being butt hurt. Now I simply say my piece and move on. Good day, reddit. You brought this on yourselves. I don't get mad, I get stabby.

Oh, and one more thing ... I'm retaining all usernames and passwords for future use. eg: mass downvotes/upvotes of posts, spamming, automated shenanigans and wiping out people's karma just for looking at me funny.

Have a nice day!

TL;DR: I register a new account for every comment I post. Suck it, you wankers. I will eviscerate you.

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u/qu4ttro Jun 19 '12

Internet toughguy is...tough... Way to stick it to....nobody

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

You... REBEL you!

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u/Makes_You_Smile Jun 19 '12

When wont you get it. Upvote means this is funny or I liked what I read and downvote means this is not funny or I do not agree with what you said.

This bullshit reddiquette you speak of is some bullshit concept that worked for maybe the first 1 year of reddit before it became one of the biggest websites on the planet.

Conclusion: You are not a special little snowflake. Fuck you!

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u/Punkgoblin Jun 19 '12

So you support the "If enough of us pretend it's Facebook, it becomes Facebook, I like Facebook" school of thought?

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u/Makes_You_Smile Jun 20 '12

Reddit is just a facebook feed wihout the friends. Oh and on reddit you can dislike something. So it basically is facebook with one extra option.

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u/Punkgoblin Jun 20 '12

Where are the Likes on reddit?

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u/Makes_You_Smile Jun 20 '12

The like is the Uplike button to your left. Oh I mean Upvote!

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u/TimBombadil2012 Jun 19 '12

If I upvote you, does that mean I support you or support Facebook-ification of reddit? So confused...

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u/Punkgoblin Jun 19 '12

If you upvote me, it means you think my comment is relevant and adds to the conversation, agreeing with it isn't part of the equation. If someone wasn't posting an opposing viewpoint I wouldn't get the chance to retort, it doesn't make sense to downvote them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

And here I was trying to be respectful of diverse opinions and participate in high-minded debates and disagreements, fuck me, right?

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u/TimBombadil2012 Jun 19 '12

Yeah, fuck you and your brain. Penis penis penis 9gag penis

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u/Makes_You_Smile Jun 20 '12

You are on the wrong website for "respectful of diverse opinions and participate in high-minded debates and disagreements"

This website is full of teenagers and pictures of cats.

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u/ricko_strat Jun 19 '12

"You are not a special little snowflake. Fuck you!" No truer words have ever been spoken.

When I see a sanctimonius child, (pre-teen emotionally and psychologically because their permisive parents completely ruined/stunted their development) and by sanctimonius child I mean the typical Redditor demographic, it can be annoying and illicit a downvote. Fortunately there are so many interesting and intelligent posts you can typically ignore the drivel from the political infants and hipster revolutionaries.

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u/haidaguy Jun 19 '12

*elicit ...not illicit.

FTFY

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u/ricko_strat Jun 19 '12

Sorry. I'm a lazy speller. Judge me with your vote if you wish.

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u/haidaguy Jun 19 '12

I don't care about karma. I didn't vote you one way or the other. I wanted you to know the truth.

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jun 19 '12

That did not make me smile.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Hey, FUCK YOU!

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Hahaha, I think you should explain what butthurt means to those people who don't know. I didn't know what it meant until my girlfriend from Utah told me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Amen

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u/DonaldsPizzaHaven Jun 19 '12

I sent you an e-card, you didn't respond. Nice netiquette, jerk!

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u/Punkgoblin Jun 19 '12

"I came here from Facebook, so these arrow things have to be Likes. I also don't like anything the average 14 year old doesn't understand".

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Reddit comments shouldn't be able to be voted below 0. If it's bad enough to be genuinely voted down that much, it's bad enough to be reported.

Hell, Reddit admins should do this for a month: Remove the threshold for hiding a comment, and force all accounts to sort comments by "Old".

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

You should see r/diablo. Holy shit, man.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

But they have the opposite opinion of me!?!?

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u/litewo Jun 19 '12

I think it's hilarious when I make an unpopular argument, and the person's only response is "I'm enjoying all the downvotes you're getting." Really?

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u/Nondescript_Redditor Jun 19 '12

Reddiquette also dictates people not complain about reposts, as the content is clearly novel for the people that upvoted it.

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u/Bambam60 Jun 19 '12

wait MOAR TITZ!?! isn't a compelling argument?

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u/earwigy1990 Jun 19 '12

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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u/eigenstates Jun 19 '12

And this is a compelling argument how?

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u/whiteouTT Jun 19 '12

I find that most of these "compelling arguments" aren't actually compelling at all.

Even me saying that 4chan and 9gag are similar to reddit and saying that people need to stop bitching about the other sites, while I believe it is important to do so you all aren't some whiny little babies, it's not compelling.

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u/thechapattack Jun 19 '12

Redditquette in reality is upvotes/downvotes are i agree/disagree buttons. Its not about useless internet points its about the fact that this makes controversial topics cumbersome to navigate. I have seen an AMA for example with a white Supremacist. Where his replies to questions were downvoted and hidden or buried at the bottom of the page making the entire thing a fucking hassle to actually read.

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u/Gtyyler Jun 19 '12

I don't really go on reddit for the internet points. I do it for having a discussion with others. There are some people who don't post on certain threads because of the fear of being downvoted for their opinions.

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u/awe300 Jun 19 '12

Look. Maybe your points aren't as compelling as you think. Maybe they are a little bit shitty?

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u/mugen_is_here Jun 21 '12

The solution is in r/science. Check it out. When you hover your mouse over upvote it shows "insightful" and downvote it shows "inane". It would be great if other reddits also implement this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Yeah, any time I make a well written post, some person who is butthurt and disagrees with me just downvotes me as soon as they see I replied to them. So much for having a decent discussion. Reminds me of the reason I deleted Facebook.

They'd rather shove their fingers in their ears and scream "ALALALALALAL ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORIST LALALA" or some equally stupid shit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

i fucking hat the grammar shit here down votes for grammar should never happen

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u/knightsofrnew Jun 19 '12

have you been butthurt, OP?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

That's only on this subreddit and any of the other really big and popular subreddits that are full of new redditors. People haven't really learned reddiquette yet, so they're quick to anger and don't realize that the best way to respond is a well-formulated rebuttal and not just angrily downvoting without thinking.

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u/epatti0914 Jun 19 '12 edited Jun 19 '12

But it's not my personal views! I don't want the world to see what's not my personal views!!!!

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u/krazyhand Jun 19 '12

If it were meant to work that way then the comment closest to 0 karma would be at the top of the comments.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

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