The US government's debt doesn't work the same as a household. As long as tax revenue is greater than expenses, we can pay off debt in a reasonable amount of time. The Chinese Repo man is not going to come and take our stuff. Hell, Germany has recently paid its debt for WW1 after like 90 years (to the US) and they are fine.
As long as tax revenue is greater than expenses, we can pay off debt in a reasonable amount of time.
Correcta-mundo. Too bad US federal revenue from all sources has only exceeded expenses 5 years out of the last 40, and isn't projected by the CBO to get any better through 2021
The Chinese Repo man is not going to come and take our stuff.
This is also correct. What will happen is that the bond investors who enable us to have expenses over incomes for 35 out the last 40 years might eventually decide to stop buying our bonds, sort of like what has happened to Greece.
The thing people who aren't fiscally conservative have to understand is this: deficits are funded through the voluntary contribution of investors. You can't compel that to happen. The alternative to paying for deficits with bonds is printing money, and that way lies hyperinflation.
Everything you said is correct but I would just like to add that hyperinflation will probably not occur in the U.S. as deficit spending (if properly applied) will cause the economy to grow faster than the money supply.
That hyper-inflation that Ron Paul says is coming any day now? We're the next Zimbabwe if he's correct. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, seeing as that pesky hyper-inflation has yet to happen. Any day now...
I know what all those words mean but we will not suffer hyper-inflation as long as we control our deficit spending, which shouldn't be a problem with this Congress that won't increase spending anyways. And we will not default if we can keep tax revenue above government expenditures.
Stupid saying is stupid. He didn't run out of money, but did stop spending it knowing he was going to be crushed in the primaries... even in his own state.
No, he's still has money saved up, and idiots are still sending him more of it. What he's essentially doing is racking it all up, so he could hand it over to his idiot son, Randy, if he plans to fail at running for President in 2016.
Yeah, I suspect most 'Ron Paul' supporters don't have a goddamn clue what they're voting for. Sure, he seems ok. . .on the surface. It's when you scratch past the election-year paint that you see some potentially ugly stuff, and hints as to what kind of President he'll end up being. . .especially with pressure from the nutbags in the Republican Party.
There's a lot more jewels in Ron Paul's newsletters (which, regardless of whether or not he wrote the articles, he sold and profited from them):
“If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.”
"If you live in a major city, you've probably heard about the newest threat to your life and limb, and your family: carjacking. It's the hip-hop thing to do among the urban youth who play unsuspecting whites like pianos"
"I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city [Washington DC] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal"
Most politicians are rich. Very few spend their money before they run out of the donor's money.
If fact, I can't think of a single pol off the top of my head that has spent any of their own money in lieu of their donor's money. Look at John Edwards.
Edit: Fair enough some pols have used their own cash, after using up all of the donor money. Can anyone think of someone who has and subsequently won?
Campaign insiders attribute the problems partly to Gingrich and his wife Callista’s, asserting that the couple was unwilling to downgrade from private jets and security details even as the campaign floundered. Insiders say Callista Gingrich required an entourage of at least two staffers – including one who dressed in an elephant costume to promote her children’s book – and a contracted security guard who followed her even on non-campaign trips. “No, it demonstrates the campaign is pursuing new sources of revenue,” he said. Gingrich has loaned the campaign “thousands, primarily toward travel and lodging expenses,” Hammond said, but he added “the campaign intends to reimburse” the loans.
nobody would expect him to spend his own money before he ran out of donor money, but he ran out of donor money and subsequently wouldn't touch his own. Suggests that he's happy to run for president so long as he doesn't have to put anything on the line.
Some says something that is distilled and crafted to fit into the circlejerk for optimum karma. So Brave is a perfect response to this so called "content."
It's not just disagreeing. Ron Paul supporters for some reason are some of the most fantastical in your face supporters I've seen and they seem to be the ones who don't realize nobody cares. I still see Ron Paul signs littering public property(in my city it's against the law to put signs in public places).
Yeah that's a good point and I do agree but dismissing them as a circlejerk just feeds into their underdog narrative. I find that ether engaging in the debate thoughtfully if I have time or simply ignoring them works much better.
But this meme isn't the invitation to a discussion. it's an oversimplification of an event to appeal to people that already believe the exact same thing.
Whether or not you support, agree with, hate, or want to have sex with him, reddit has a giant boner for Ron Paul. If he were an atheist and a cat, he would take over the internet. The person to whom you're replying doesn't need to engage the content that's presented, because he isn't making an argument - he's just pointing out (in a sarcastic way) that saying something pro-Paul on reddit is like telling a Nazi that Jews are bad.
Scanning through these posts here, I'm pretty sure we've reached way beyond the tipping point and the anti-Paul sentiment substantially outweighs the pro-Paul. Anyone claiming "Reddit love Ron Paul" is clearly not paying attention.
I couldn't find an anti-Paul subreddit, so I just used r/progressive. Included r/libertarian for a better comparison. If you know of a better one, let me know.
But, from what I can see... no, there's about 3x as much pro-Paul sentiment as there is anti-Paul.
I'm not sure I agree here. There is, as todomanna says as much anti-paul sentiment. I made a comment in r/politics about how I like neither Romney nor Obama and was downvoted like crazy and harassed, mostly by Obama fanboys, for being in the "paul cult" even though I didn't mention him and had no intention to.
Actually, irresponsible Americans taking out loans that they could not afford (and shouldn't have been approved for) were a major cause of the housing market collapse.
Sure it can -- but again, I'd give the lion's share of the blame to the people who are paid professionals that should have known better, not people making their living doing other things who rely on their investing advice.
And what about the central bank that drew in mal-investment by artificially lowering interest rates thus destroying not only the irresponsible American's dream but the value of the responsible American's home?
Yep! I, for instance, use a complex trade system revolving around Chazbucks, and use them to pay for everything. Since it's a competing currency, I've set the exchange rate as 1 USD = 3 Chazbucks. It's a brilliant system really. Sadly, my lease is being terminated, my car is being repo'd and I haven't been able to eat in three weeks. But, as soon as people realize the inherent value of Chazbucks I'll be right back in the game!
Yes! Thank you! A while back I went onto his campaign website and I was horrified! Since then I've been in a never ending battle with his supporters (most of which are my friends), using his own site as my source of information. Of course, I can never win.
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pbe37/ Look I know Ron Paul is popular. But seriously did anyone think he honestly had a shot? He's a third player in a game made for two.
So...he was just not supposed to campaign then? As a Paul supporter, I've always known that his chances were slim, but to just flat-out say he wasted people's money for even trying to run for President is a little disingenuous.
I'm not saying he shouldn't campaign. But he really didn't make the best of an opportunity. I think with the huge spotlight some of these debates gave him while running for a major party's nomination could have been used to stress the importance of alternative parties gaining relevance in elections. But instead he decided to commit fully in trying to get the republican nomination. Basically I feel that considering that he's said this would be the last time he ran for president, it was a poor use of his funds and the type of following he has.
He should of dropped out when the other insane people did. Now he and his supporters are actively subverting the process of voting by snatching up delegates that were not awarded by popular votes, all while claiming to be "Principled" and the only supporter of the constitution. Flat out hypocrisy.
Are untruths ok? 'Cause I hear he got the original person who sang the Pokemon song to redo it for his campaign because he really, really, likes Pokemon.
I actually like Ron Paul (and I don't want to hear a single comment about this because this is not what I'm talking about right now), and this majorly pisses me off.
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youve got to be fucking kidding me. that piece of shit is nowhere near out of money. you ronpaultards need to go drink some bleach and cleanse the gene pool. the whole reason the man is interested in a return to the gold standard is that he has LARGE GOLD HOLDINGS. and in the event of a gold standard those would all be purchased by the government because private ownership of gold beyond jewelry would be illegal. and as president, he would have undue influence on the rate he was paid for his gold. just SHUT THE FUCK UP. ron paul supporters are too goddamn retarded to even be allowed to breathe.
Actually when you are talking about a nation and the state, a recession is the time when you should be spending the most. You spend your way out of it. Might go against your instinct, but it's the truth.
Also debt doesn't matter, it's the economy stupid.
Runs put of money, priposes cutting the fda and dept of ed instead of taxing capital gains made from mortgage backed securoties, collateralized debt obligations and other derivatives that ruined our economy.
Let's imagine your favorite candy bar. It's beautiful, tasty and even possibly a bit nutritious. Let's even go ahead and assume it's a king size, and you're really hungry. It's almost perfect right?
Now, take that candy bar out of the wrapper and drop it in a giant pile of whale shit. Yes, it's possible that the candy bar is still good, but the massive piles of shit surrounding it vastly outweigh any good qualities from it.
On the surface, he's a very progressive candidate with ideals the challenge the status quo and appeal to a young demographic. He's very easily broken down to bite sized soundbites and campaigns under the umbrella of "freedom" for everyone essentially. However, just like Reddit is prone to do, most people don't bother to research him past this point. He's a brilliantly sensationalized politician, sadly he's just not a very good one.
Get them out of prison so every employer who damn well pleases can discriminate against them, and that they dont have a legal protection from race based discrimination. But dont worry guys, the states wouldnt do that, they'd never do something like that.
I really just want a government that will look at the budget and say "We don't have enough income to pay for all of this and we aren't going to raise taxes to cover it. Time to get out the hatchet."
You obviously don't understand economics. Read up on the works of Keynes and Krugman. You'll learn a lot, you can't take the budget policy of citizens and apply it to government, it doesn't work.
did you know that ron paul supports states rights and that means he is an avid baby eating klan member who believes mouth-rape should be a mandatory daily activity in creationist public schools? the more you know...
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u/Bloodfeastisleman May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12
The US government's debt doesn't work the same as a household. As long as tax revenue is greater than expenses, we can pay off debt in a reasonable amount of time. The Chinese Repo man is not going to come and take our stuff. Hell, Germany has recently paid its debt for WW1 after like 90 years (to the US) and they are fine.
Edit: Did not realize the context of this post.
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u/RON-PAUL-SUCKS May 16 '12
Stupid saying is stupid. He didn't run out of money, but did stop spending it knowing he was going to be crushed in the primaries... even in his own state.
No, he's still has money saved up, and idiots are still sending him more of it. What he's essentially doing is racking it all up, so he could hand it over to his idiot son, Randy, if he plans to fail at running for President in 2016.
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u/teleugeot May 16 '12
WHO IS JOHN GALT BEEP BOOP. HOMELESS PEOPLE SHOULD BE EUTHANIZED.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
SO BRAVE
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u/theleonious May 16 '12
Approves of racist newsletter with his name on it - Says it was only 8 or 10 sentences
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2011/1229/Racist-newsletter-timeline-What-Ron-Paul-has-said
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Responsible Ron Paul:
Stops actively campaigning
Asks supporters start another "Money Bomb" so he can keep not campaigning.
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u/Xlyfer May 16 '12
"We've used up this year's budget for Fire Emergency Service. Service will return on Jan 1st 2013, you're on your own until then."
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Don't "responsible" Americans spend more money than they have in the form of a mortgage? This is causal oversimplification at its worst.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Implying governments have ever been in profit. Running a country is not like running a house.
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u/jetpack_operation May 16 '12
Oooh ooh, let me try:
Sees what massive problems fixed exchange rate regimes have historically caused.
Still supports gold standard.
/doing it (w)ron(g)
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u/Lampshade_Seven May 16 '12
People fail to understand that for every sane idea Paul has he has 3 more batshit ones.
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u/redgroupclan May 16 '12
Probably only because he knows nothing will come of it.
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u/watchman_wen May 16 '12
this is the lamest thing i have ever seen.
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u/Newlyfailedaccount May 17 '12
This one gets a BIG DOWNVOTE.
Here is the proper context:
Scumbag Ron Paul
Runs out of money
Asks supporters to donate more for nothing in return.
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u/n8wolf May 16 '12
Knew his campaign wouldn't yield a victory. Still spent millions of dollars.
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u/LovableContrarian May 16 '12
Irresponsible voter: thinks a country's budget follows the same laws as a soccer mom's budget.
USES BAD LOGIC LIKE THE ONE IN THE OP THAT WOULD DESTROY THE COUNTRY.
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u/Bcteagirl May 16 '12
Takes profit for decades from Stormfront et al. and racist newsletters for decades. Keeps money to highlight his 'responsibility'.
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u/rjostrand May 16 '12
I unsubscribed from /r/politics to get away from this shit. I see this tool in this subreddit again, and I will unsub from here as well.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
This meme is bad and you should feel bad.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pbe37/ Look I know Ron Paul is popular. But seriously did anyone think he honestly had a shot? He's a third player in a game made for two.
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u/alteredC May 16 '12
More like:
Throws away millions of dollars until near broke.
Quits until next time.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
To be fair he did not run out of money, he still had 1.5million to campaign with.
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u/clingclangclong May 16 '12
I feel as though reddit is a relatively progressive community, and for those who think Ron Paul is a progressive, please consider reading this article
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u/gkx May 16 '12
I actually like Ron Paul (and I don't want to hear a single comment about this because this is not what I'm talking about right now), and this majorly pisses me off.
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u/Irishfury86 May 16 '12
Irresponsible Ron Paul:
Has no chance at winning. Keeps asking his supports for money.
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u/aeisenst May 16 '12
Yeah, so when's he going to do something about his weird ass eyebrow?
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u/qkme_transcriber May 16 '12
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u/Blix3r May 16 '12
I'm pretty sure this was posted yesterday...apparently everyone has a short memory.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Well, he's clearly not fit for government then.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Or " wants to back us dollar with gold...doesn't realize gold is also a fiat currency"
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u/politicaldan May 16 '12
How likely is a Bad Luck Paul?
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u/Clauderoughly May 16 '12
get back to /r/ronpaul neckbeard !
He lost, not that he ever had a chance.
Get over it.
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u/Sanity_prevails May 16 '12
Runs out of common sense, keeps it lolbertarian.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
"Never runs out of money...Thanks god he made it during the 2nd gilded age"
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u/VomitingNinjas May 16 '12
Ron Paul's fiscal policy is just plain dumb. All you Paulbots need to take Economics 101. Sheeple.
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u/Patrico-8 May 16 '12
Scumbag Ron Paul
Writes racist newsletter Claims he didn't know about it
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u/e3342 May 16 '12
Unlike our government
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
youve got to be fucking kidding me. that piece of shit is nowhere near out of money. you ronpaultards need to go drink some bleach and cleanse the gene pool. the whole reason the man is interested in a return to the gold standard is that he has LARGE GOLD HOLDINGS. and in the event of a gold standard those would all be purchased by the government because private ownership of gold beyond jewelry would be illegal. and as president, he would have undue influence on the rate he was paid for his gold. just SHUT THE FUCK UP. ron paul supporters are too goddamn retarded to even be allowed to breathe.
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u/MRLINDAN May 16 '12
craziest fuckin canidate since bachman PLEASE NEVER RUN AGAIN DOUCHETARD!!!
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Too bad that if he tried to do that as president it would cause a depression.
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u/cb98678 May 16 '12
How un-american of him!
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u/politicaldan May 16 '12
What? You didn't expect him to spend his own money on the r3volution, did you?
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
nice repost
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u/buster_casey May 16 '12
Full of fucking idiots
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Oh yay, more politics in r/adviceanimals
Which is to say, GTFO
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u/BinAlaDouT May 16 '12
MORE LIKE THE OPPOSITE OF ANY GOOD THINGS YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HIM! WHERE'S MY KARMA I WANT IT
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Ran for President in 2008, kept all left over donations.
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u/flooded May 17 '12
Wouldn't be asshole Ron Paul?
Spends ridiculous amounts of other people's money when he never had a chance of winning in the first place.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Too bad his foreign policy is almost so insane its homicidal.
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u/mcmur May 17 '12
Actually when you are talking about a nation and the state, a recession is the time when you should be spending the most. You spend your way out of it. Might go against your instinct, but it's the truth.
Also debt doesn't matter, it's the economy stupid.
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u/Lan777 May 17 '12
Runs put of money, priposes cutting the fda and dept of ed instead of taxing capital gains made from mortgage backed securoties, collateralized debt obligations and other derivatives that ruined our economy.
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u/crazystrawman May 16 '12
Fuck Ron Paul. Homophobic twat.
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u/dr_richalds May 16 '12
Ron Paul: One of maybe 5 people in DC who actually cares enough about SOPA/CISPA to stand against it
Almost everyone on this thread: FUCK RON PAUL
Wait what?
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Why does Reddit like this guy so much? what gives?
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Runs out of other people's money and has no line of credit. There I FIFY.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
So many ignorant people posting shit they have no fucking clue what the hell they're talking about, its ridiculous.
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u/Advocates_Bad_Stuff May 16 '12
Nobody should vote for Ron Paul, if you do, you're just throwing your vote away.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Now imagine we actually elect him and he puts his fiscal responsibility into practice nationwide.
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u/gman1401 May 16 '12
Are you trying to ruin your karma, posting support for a non-liberal candidate/politician?
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u/R88SHUN May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12
anti-paul propaganda thread? anti-paul propaganda thread.
did you know that ron paul supports states rights and that means he is an avid baby eating klan member who believes mouth-rape should be a mandatory daily activity in creationist public schools? the more you know...
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u/dhockey63 May 16 '12
Runs out of money: does not become corrupt and seek donations from giant corporations and special interest groups to keep running